USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

[bourbons]

Out of interest because I love lists, who are the top 20 economists and what was the criteria for selection?

Not top 20 in the world, its 23 Nobel prize winning economists (more than half of living US recipients).

"While each of us has different views on the particulars of various economic policies, we believe that, overall, Harris' economic agenda will improve our nation's health, investment, sustainability, resilience, employment opportunities, and fairness and be vastly superior to the counterproductive economic agenda of Donald Trump," the letter said.

https://www.axios.com/2024/10/23/harris-trump-nobel-prize-economists

 

[Satan]

The story is that Hinchcliffe was going to call Kamala a c*nt but the Trump team vetoed that line, so yes they were briefed and yes they decided to let the ones that are causing them headaches through.



I guess this constitutes damage control for Trump.

Several members of the Republican Party who have vocally supported Trump, such as Rep. María Elvira Salazar, R-Fla., Sen. Rick Scott, R-Fla., and Resident Commissioner Jenniffer González-Colón, Puerto Rico’s nonvoting member of Congress and the candidate for governor for the island’s pro-statehood party, criticized the racist expressions while also trying to argue the remarks did “not represent the values of the GOP.”

Nicole Acevedo

does that mean the other racists/sexist comments said by the other speakers represent gop values?

Other warm-up acts called Hillary Clinton a "sick son of a b***", another referred to Vice President Kamala Harris as the "antichrist" and a third said Harris "and her pimp handlers will destroy the country." Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Harris is "on the side of the terrorists."

Trump rally at Madison Square Garden features offensive, crude commentary

Thousands descended on Madison Square Garden on Sunday for former President Donald Trump's campaign rally.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[QuietB]

Of course, but you can't really judge how it feels to be the butt of a shit joke until you are.

I have, as a minority here. Once when the dude didn't realize I understood, and he wasn't being malicious just used a old-fashioned term - foreign devil. I just smiled at him. Another shittier one was in the local dialect I don't understand, and when my soon to be wife told me what the dickhead said I was ready to go back after him.
I've also been got asked by a local native American back in college if I was white trash. I laughed and said the whitest. lol He laughed too, and I'd of invited him to have one of the beers I'd just bought but he drove away.

What I don't get about the whole thing was WhyTF he chose PR as his target. They aren't in this fight. They want to pick on CA, or France, okay no problem, but PR? Why not a joke about one of the poor Palestinian children in the rubble. It was crass, and crass is too light a word for it, really. It was mean-spirited.

And in keeping with the spirit of the whole rally.

Did he choose Porto Rico? Or did he just land there?

The problem with Trumps rambling and weaving nonsense is pretty soon it it gives a green light for others to step a bit further, and then a tiny bit more, and it normalises insults and slander, and soon enough someone says something entirely disgusting thinking they were just going with the flow.

That joke is the quiet bit out loud.

That joke is who they are.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Several members of the Republican Party who have vocally supported Trump, such as Rep. María Elvira Salazar, R-Fla., Sen. Rick Scott, R-Fla., and Resident Commissioner Jenniffer González-Colón, Puerto Rico’s nonvoting member of Congress and the candidate for governor for the island’s pro-statehood party, criticized the racist expressions while also trying to argue the remarks did “not represent the values of the GOP.”

Nicole Acevedo

does that mean the other racists/sexist comments said by the other speakers represent gop values?

Other warm-up acts called Hillary Clinton a "sick son of a b***", another referred to Vice President Kamala Harris as the "antichrist" and a third said Harris "and her pimp handlers will destroy the country." Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Harris is "on the side of the terrorists."

Trump rally at Madison Square Garden features offensive, crude commentary

Thousands descended on Madison Square Garden on Sunday for former President Donald Trump's campaign rally.

www.cbsnews.com

They shoot, and they.... miss.

 

[bourbons]

lol. Panic mode.
Even a simpleton would realise a joke by a comedian at a rally does not reflect the views of everyone at the rally.

No, just reflective of the views of the rally organisers.

It was on the teleprompter mate. Script would have been reviewed, team Trump were happy to have it in - well, until they realised the level of blowback it was generating lol

 

[Satan]

They shoot, and they.... miss.

New probe confirms Trump officials blocked Puerto Rico from receiving hurricane aid

The Trump administration also obstructed an investigation looking into why it was depriving the U.S. territory of congressionally approved funds, the report found.

www.nbcnews.com

puerto rico obviously had no dirt on Biden

 

[QuietB]

I think very few commentators, be they internet randoms such as ITT or professional journalists have managed to answer the question that hides within all the vitriol.....what happens to democracy when people no longer believe in it?

You can see from other parts of the world, the Jan 6 playbook at work....soon to get a massive software update I'm sure.....wherein electorates simply question the validity of the democratic process if it delivers an unfavourable result.

Right now, this moment in the world, when we have a staggering capacity to communicate, verify, authorise and educate.....we seem to be rushing headlong into pure anarchic ignorance on steroids.....not just unable or unwilling to accept or understand anything different or confronting, but violently against the simple IDEA of there being difference.

It is almost as if the range and variety of difference in the modern world has induced a very short-tempered "choice weariness", where many people simply want LESS choice about things.....be that policy, humanity, employment, whatever.

The poster here who has stated that the Democrats helped create Trump is spot on. And to reflect on why, think about this - I'm sure many of you know somebody who has stated that all politicians are full of shit and that the political system in Australia is a gravy train etc etc. This is where it starts, when we lose faith in the elected official being able to deliver what was promised. I'm sure many of you share some of that same sarcastic dismissal when we hear a public official talk a good game.....because we have all seen it and heard it too many times.

Decades of democratically elected governments have laid the foundation for Trump's right wing insanity, because they have allowed this government-sponsored insouciance to pervade the corridors of power, be that in Canberra, Downing Street or Washington. Politicians are held to the LEAST account, because so much of what they do happens beyond public scrutiny and they employ PR spin doctors to deal with the shit storms that linger.

This is why people are losing faith, not just in people or positions, but in the entire system of democracy - it is beyond corrupt as far as I can see. I have no faith in any politician of any political party. I refuse to vote any more. I refuse to participate in a society of smoke and mirrors, where lies are told as truth and our elected officials and corporate elites get paid from the blood, sweat and tears of the working class.

I have said in another post ITT that it makes no difference now who wins or loses next week - the damage has been done, the genie is out of the bottle. Unless Harris can reverse the neo-conservative policy of the Democrats, who are as left wing as Peter Dutton, then this simmering discontent will continue to fester - because the democratic institution has been shown to allow and reward graft, greed and abuses of power, irrespective of the ideology of those in control.

So when you think the dog's bed is full of fleas, you burn the whole ****ing bed. And that is what I fear is happening to western democracies now - they have become the corrupt Senate from Rome and Star Wars.

This isn't about freedom of speech or expression, racism, sexism, fascism, socialism...because these things only matter as discussion points when you have a cosy fire and a full stomach in a safe space. Many folks don't have those things, because for them it is purely survival now. And when you are in survival mode, you don't give a shit about any of that. If something is an obstacle or a barrier or that you perceive as a threat to your survival, you don't negotiate with it, you don't try to analyse or understand it - you neutralise it in any way you can.

And Trump's army of drooling fanatics are only too happy to ensure his and their survival at the expense of the last vestiges of democratic process, because for many of them, they have witnssed their lives getting worse and the promises made by a blue or red government are like morning fog. So they don't WANT democracy any more. The Democrats aren't the enemy....DEMOCRACY is the enemy.

You make it sound like we live in some sort of anarchic dystopia.

We don’t. And the USA doesn’t.

You post actually argues for what you are arguing against.

 

[SeaOfFire]

You make it sound like we live in some sort of anarchic dystopia.

We don’t. And the USA doesn’t.

You post actually argues for what you are arguing against.

I am happy you don't see things the way I do.

Let's just leave it at that.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Actually, he doesn't promise upsetting the status quo, he promises taking white Americans back in time.

In reality, he will be as lazy as he was last time, but his Project 25 enablers will be much more busy.

And if he has the wholly-plausible thumper, and exits the Oval Office feet first, the truly dangerous JD Vance is president of the USA.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Other warm-up acts called Hillary Clinton a "sick son of a b***"

Still, good at least to see some at MAGA finally getting their heads around gender fluidity.

 

[Chief]

So we're in agreement then,

No.

 

[EagleMan87]

Didnt Biden want to beat the hell out of Trump and take him behind the gym?

Now I can see why you like Biden. You have the same anger issues and threats of violence.

This is the Trump vs Harris thread; you want the Biden thread for that stuff.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

No.

Poster said OTT criticisms and ridicule can cumulatively add up to help push people over the edge into supporting extremist politics (paraphrasing here.)

You said (again paraphrasing) if that happens to someone there’s nothing you can do to help them.

That’s not exactly rebutting their comment, that’s simply adding your own comment.

 

[Satan]

Still, good at least to see some at MAGA finally getting their heads around gender fluidity.

Not everyone

 

[OneGreatClub]

So project 25: Gut the department of education and repeal child labour protection laws.
A match made in heaven for rich donors.
Cheap child labour.

 

[Satan]

Kamala having her last major speech in the elipse , its all about location , location ,location. Last speech on jan 6th 2021 there was a riot

 

[Chief]

Poster said OTT criticisms and ridicule can cumulatively add up to help push people over the edge into supporting extremist politics (paraphrasing here.)

No he said that being told that they have caused offence where there it is not reasonable to take offence pushes them to the fringes.

This completely ignores the con artists on the right. Ignores environment. Ignores culture. Ignores history. Ignores everything and lays the blame at the feet of a few busybodies.

This is obviously not true.

 

[Stokey]

This is the Trump vs Harris thread; you want the Biden thread for that stuff.

Are you from the Harris campaign?

 

[OneGreatClub]

I missed this bit of the conversation. Can you reply me in.

What are your thoughts on the Mexican joke at the Harris rally while you fleetingly havey attention.

Ah, your tactics are the same old.
So here

What are your thoughts on Trump posting a picture of Biden bound and gagged in a car boot?
What are your thoughts on Don jr posting vile jokes about the attack on Mr Pelosi?

 

[blackshadow]

This is the Trump vs Harris thread; you want the Biden thread for that stuff.

Precisely but Stokey prefers to plait shit instead of having any meaningful discussion.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Precisely but Stokey prefers to plait shit instead of having any meaningful discussion.

Shhh it’s called weaving because Trump told him it’s the sign of a genius

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

No he said that being told that they have caused offence where there it is not reasonable to take offence pushes them to the fringes.

This completely ignores the con artists on the right. Ignores environment. Ignores culture. Ignores history. Ignores everything and lays the blame at the feet of a few busybodies.

This is obviously not true.

Doesn’t ignore all those (perfectly valid) things at all.

Simply identifies the fact that people, regardless of political spectrum, don’t like being told that what they say or think is wrong, even when it is wrong.

It’s a problem.

A lot of right wing verbiage is very, very wrong, delusional, paranoid, persecutionist.

So how do we convince them they’re wrong? I agree there’s probably not a lot we can do.

But there’s roughly 50,000,000 of them in America preparing to vote for Trump, so it’s everyone’s problem.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Waiting for Harris's closing speech. Will be interested to see if she can beat Trump and his crew and be more racist and offensive, or whether she'll try a different approach.

 

[EagleMan87]

Are you from the Harris campaign?

I actually backed you up when you asked people to stop bringing Trump into the Harris thread, so how about you do me the favour here?

 

[faible]

Yes it was, and I do take racism, sexism and ageism personally. You assumed somebodies race, age and gender and made it clear you considered them or at least their opinion less worthy according. Further you justifed your various ism's as being somehow ok becouse it was punching up. Which itself contains the idea that some people are less worthy of being protected from insult due to their race, gender or age. No doubt you harp on me taking it personally, becouse you have assumed my race, age and gender (that is you assume I am male, white and old, and thats why I disagree with you) and therefore imply my opinion is less worthy due to said race, age and gender. As I have no interest in hearing more denial and dishonest goal shifting from a racist, on ignore you go.

Geesh. You've typically been a good and interesting poster in this (and similar) threads, but this is a really bad take.