USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

[King Patty]

Are democrats worried about election fraud at all?
Do they have more control over it due to being the incumbent government?
Republicans seemed worried but Democrats not worried.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Mate, I applaud your passion, but seriously how on earth can you find the energy to post this stuff every single day?
That would have taken at least half an hour to post!

What are you trying to achieve?

More importantly…What are you trying to ignore?

 

[OneGreatClub]

Are democrats worried about election fraud at all?
Do they have more control over it due to being the incumbent government?
Republicans seemed worried but Democrats not worried.

Republican’s aren’t worried about it at all as long as it gives them an advantage. Just about every one of their frivolous cases has been kicked out. They are attempting to suppress to vote in order to win.

 

[Satan]

Are democrats worried about election fraud at all?
Do they have more control over it due to being the incumbent government?
Republicans seemed worried but Democrats not worried.

elections run by states

 

[Carringbush2010]

Yeah, the nordic model is a good start, but I don't see it as the apex.

The baseline has to be reducing inequality and providing more essential services through government channels, rather than reliance on private business and there's a whole range of ways that can be implemented.

Education, healthcare, housing and income support are the 4 pillars for me - all government controlled and financed.

Inequality is in every societal model, even communism, we've seen the 1% reap all the rewards while the population is oppressed.

You're barking up the wrong tree, liberalism, democracy or capitalism is not the cause, humans are.

And because there is no flawless societal model, there'll always be inequality.

Just so happens as has been proven time and again, liberal democracy is by far better than any other societal model for the masses.

Your dystopian view of civil uprising (paraphrasing) would be believable if the majority of society was in the same boat as those at the bottom of the liberal democracy. But that's not the case, those at the bottom are not the majority.

For all it's faults, liberalism, capitalism and democracy are not the cause, does it enable the fact that there is poverty? Sure does, but there is no model that does not enable poverty. Societal models aren't the problem, humans are.

Anyways, don't wanna derail the thread. Probably best take it to a more appropriate thread.

 

[Blue1980]

This is bizarre logic.

Other than being a bad choice as a speaker there is nothing to this story other than lefty outrage.

The same outragers that stay very quiet about the Mexican 'thieves' joke at a Harris' rally.

I think John Stewart summed it up best. *



* is he still a lefty darling or has he been kicked out of the cult like Musk, Rogan etc after stating the obvious on Colbert? TBF it's hard to keep up with who is in or out.

Stewart was right about that, and what he said about the rest of the rally too.

I thought the comedian at the rally was just shit, so I agree with you on that. Not offensive per se.

Btw the only people who get shitty with Stewart are the blue no matter who crowd. His first show back he criticised Biden for not being with it and in cognitive decline, and a fair few of the resistance libs did pearl clutching. Stewart's crtique aged very well.

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[Blue1980]

He must be super pissed about the knife that Harris, Pelosi and Obama plunged into his back - I bet he voted Trump!


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I mean that is what you would do in the same scenario as Biden was in, but no need to project that onto Joe.

If Trump say loses this election and for whatever reason JD Vance/Musk/Thiel decide to sideline him (too old, too annoying etc) he will turn on the republicans in a second and be willing to campaign for the dems by 2028. With the dems wheeling out Liz Cheney, they might just be ridiculous enough to use Donnie as a campaign to get "dissafected MAGA voters" if that happened.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

It's a US politics thread, and I'm interested in US politics.

I get to learn things from others, and if the only thing I achieve with pro Trump posters who are wilfully ignorant or express unjustified hubris is to make fun of them, then so be it. That's even assuming there is no crossover or will never be, with Australian politics.

If you don't think it's a worthwhile topic, then why are you here? That makes even less sense than the rest of us being here.

Making fun of others is justified?

 

[Blue1980]

Just one week to go until we are in the post Trump era.

Or post democracy era

 

[Blue1980]

I am happy you don't see things the way I do.

Let's just leave it at that.

The thing is I think you believe things are as bad as they can get, they aren't.

 

[SeaOfFire]

Inequality is in every societal model, even communism, we've seen the 1% reap all the rewards while the population is oppressed.

You're barking up the wrong tree, liberalism, democracy or capitalism is not the cause, humans are.

And because there is no flawless societal model, there'll always be inequality.

Just so happens as has been proven time and again, liberal democracy is by far better than any other societal model for the masses.

Your dystopian view of civil uprising (paraphrasing) would be believable if the majority of society was in the same boat as those at the bottom of the liberal democracy. But that's not the case, those at the bottom are not the majority.

For all it's faults, liberalism, capitalism and democracy are not the cause, does it enable the fact that there is poverty? Sure does, but there is no model that does not enable poverty. Societal models aren't the problem, humans are.

Anyways, don't wanna derail the thread. Probably best take it to a more appropriate thread.

Agree to totally disagree, so yep, we can leave it there.

 

[King Patty]

I mean that is what you would do in the same scenario as Biden was in, but no need to project that onto Joe.

If Trump say loses this election and for whatever reason JD Vance/Musk/Thiel decide to sideline him (too old, too annoying etc) he will turn on the republicans in a second and be willing to campaign for the dems by 2028. With the dems wheeling out Liz Cheney, they might just be ridiculous enough to use Donnie as a campaign to get "dissafected MAGA voters" if that happened.

If Trump loses he's finished. He will go down kicking though, will probably be embroiled in another lawsuit.

what happens to Musk is more interesting.
will Kamala go after X and try to shut it down. Or will they try and bring him back into Democrat fold?

 

[Blue1980]

And there's the new deplorables statement.
They really needed to keep Biden quiet.

Calling Trump supporters garbage isn't going to win it.

Nor will it lose it. Those poeple are voting for Trump anyway.

FFS Trump and co basically call anyone not MAGA an anemy of the state.

 

[adogsfan5]

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will Kamala go after X and try to shut it down. ?

This would be amusing.

 

[FireKrakouer]

That ain’t a copy and paste job, surely?.

really

Chief it appears we have another contender for a copy/paste badge. Don't leave me lonely over here!

 

[Blue1980]

If Trump loses he's finished. He will go down kicking though, will probably be embroiled in another lawsuit.

what happens to Musk is more interesting.
will Kamala go after X and try to shut it down. Or will they try and bring him back into Democrat fold?

No way would they try and shut X down, when do US govts ever do that to a company unless they have lots of criticism of Israel?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Mate, I applaud your passion, but seriously how on earth can you find the energy to post this stuff every single day?
That would have taken at least half an hour to post!

What are you trying to achieve?

Oh you're so sweet.

 

[Bloods86]

It’s a worthwhile topic when there’s an opportunity to learn new things (as you have stated), which sadly is becoming more and more rare as the days go by and your post above is just one example.
You know it’s a mud slinging match, hence me asking those questions.

There's new information being added daily, but also new people who seem to be unaware of what should be common knowledge when they post big, but brief claims.

If pointing out facts and justifying opinions is just mud slinging to you, then I'd suggest it's you who might need to re-evaluate, or just don't bother visiting the thread.

 

[GreyCrow]

If Trump loses he's finished. He will go down kicking though, will probably be embroiled in another lawsuit.

Only 1?

what happens to Musk is more interesting.
will Kamala go after X and try to shut it down. Or will they try and bring him back into Democrat fold?

I think he will pull back do some ''tidying up '' and pretend he wasnt the biggest shill for Trump

I dont think Harris cares as much for Twitter as the right think

 

[Bloods86]

Making fun of others is justified?

If they back an authoritarian, absolutely. A mild online ribbing from strangers is getting off lightly.

If they make incorrect claims, while trying to come across as the smart, informed ones in the room, then yes, absolutely.

I tone match. If someone appears genuine, I'll respond politely and to the point only. If they show unjustified hubris, I'm happy to mock them.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

As a fellow stutterer, I can see all coping mechanisms of a stutterer when faced with ad hoc public speaking; the strong start, the hesitations caused by planning the next sentence, the slight changes in the flow the caused by trying to avoid trigger words. the slightly disjointed speech patterns caused by having both the time to reflect on what was previously said and what to say next and the sentence after that

Stuttering is a disability that impacts verbal communication and interactions. It is not a indication of senility or intellectual disability

I'd suggest that is the polar opposite; there's concepts to address, a myriad of ways that they be approached and a multitude of words that can be used to convey them that all have to planned out in detail (but as a stutterer I would say that)

He manages and works with it well to acheive his current position

Bet he wishes that one day he would wake up with the ability to verbally savagely tear his critics a new one with the perfectly constructed verbal response.

I do

However, to his credit, he doesn't do the "weave"

Thanks for sharing that GrayRanga
I have no first hand experience on the subject but I always felt Biden was putting strategies in place at times ( particularly when stressed) to avoid stuttering.
Sadly , many interpreted that as signs of senility.
No doubt he's not as sharp as he used to be but I reckon he goes OK for an 81yo - His State of the Union and his interview on his Irish Heritage are two solid examples of that.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

If Trump loses he's finished. He will go down kicking though, will probably be embroiled in another lawsuit.

what happens to Musk is more interesting.
will Kamala go after X and try to shut it down. Or will they try and bring him back into Democrat fold?

Trump is the only one threatening to go after his opponents if he wins. The enemy within, to borrow a phrase...

 

[Baldur]

If Trump loses he's finished. He will go down kicking though, will probably be embroiled in another lawsuit.

what happens to Musk is more interesting.
will Kamala go after X and try to shut it down. Or will they try and bring him back into Democrat fold?

They will offer him a tax break.

 

[10571z]

Well Trump is already sprouting that bad things are happening concerning voting.

Predictable and on schedule

Genuine question? Why are they against ID