USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

[beema limapep]

If they back an authoritarian, absolutely. A mild online ribbing from strangers is getting off lightly.

What government isn't authoritarian these days? Both sides of politics have drifted hard in that direction over the past 5 to 10 years.

And for the record, if I was an American I wouldn't vote for trump.

 

[GreyCrow]

Genuine question? Why are they against ID

Did you use your ID at the last State or Federal election?

 

[King Patty]

Of the swing states, Republicans have submitted more ballots in Arizona, Nevada and North Carolina, while Democrats have submitted more in Pennsylvania, according to the Election Lab at the University of Florida. Party breakdown data is not available in Georgia, Michigan and Wisconsin.


Nevada has gained some attention for the advantage that Republicans have so far in votes already cast, as the state is a full vote-by-mail state, meaning all voters will receive a ballot in the mail if they choose to use that method.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4960217-2024-election-early-voting/

 

[Satan]

Of the swing states, Republicans have submitted more ballots in Arizona, Nevada and North Carolina, while Democrats have submitted more in Pennsylvania, according to the Election Lab at the University of Florida. Party breakdown data is not available in Georgia, Michigan and Wisconsin.


Nevada has gained some attention for the advantage that Republicans have so far in votes already cast, as the state is a full vote-by-mail state, meaning all voters will receive a ballot in the mail if they choose to use that method.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4960217-2024-election-early-voting/

Could be some voting early regret by latinos from PR

 

[King Patty]

I imagine it would take longer to check ID then vote on election day.
And then can you still do mail in votes etc?

What surprises me is how they still have dead people on their election roll, that should be tidied up.
Also people that are enrolled to vote in multiple states.

but its probably only a small percentage in the big scheme of things. might be important if its a close result.

 

[Bloods86]

What government isn't authoritarian these days? Both sides of politics have drifted hard in that direction over the past 5 to 10 years.

And for the record, if I was an American I wouldn't vote for trump.

Sure, both parties, as they do here, fall short of being entirely democratic, and I'm not even saying the Dems are great on this.

But there is absolute daylight between the Dems and the current Republican party, even a decent gap vs the pre-MAGA Republican party, on the spectrum of democracy to authoritarianism.

 

[faible]

Genuine question? Why are they against ID

Voter ID laws could be in place before the next federal election. Here's why it's controversial

You don't need to prove your identity to vote in federal elections. Here's why the government wants to change that, and why Labor thinks it's "racist and discriminatory".

www.abc.net.au

An Australian-centric article, but in short:

"Many Americans do not have one of the forms of identification states consider acceptable for voting.

"These voters are disproportionately low-income, racial and ethnic minorities, the elderly, and people with disabilities."

There's a reason it's the Republicans pushing for it. Anything they can do to make it harder to vote, is good for them.

The US system has non-compulsory voting, held on a Tuesday. There's already significant hurdles for voter turnout.

 

[faible]

I imagine it would take longer to check ID then vote on election day.
And then can you still do mail in votes etc?

What surprises me is how they still have dead people on their election roll, that should be tidied up.
Also people that are enrolled to vote in multiple states.

but its probably only a small percentage in the big scheme of things. might be important if its a close result.

It would cost a not insignificant amount of money, to fix something that isn't a problem, and likely impacts the young, elderly, poor and Indigenous who all are less likely to have a form of ID.

The AEC is very well run, has a high level of public confidence. The US needs something like that and to move away from the mish-mash of a system they currently have IMO. Not voter ID.

 

[10571z]

Voter ID laws could be in place before the next federal election. Here's why it's controversial

You don't need to prove your identity to vote in federal elections. Here's why the government wants to change that, and why Labor thinks it's "racist and discriminatory".

www.abc.net.au

An Australian-centric article, but in short:



There's a reason it's the Republicans pushing for it. Anything they can do to make it harder to vote, is good for them.

The US system has non-compulsory voting, held on a Tuesday. There's already significant hurdles for voter turnout.

Interesting argument. I find it hard to believe they could settle on some sort of ID. Every one needs some type of ID in their life.

 

[10571z]

It would cost a not insignificant amount of money, to fix something that isn't a problem, and likely impacts the young, elderly, poor and Indigenous who all are less likely to have a form of ID.

The AEC is very well run, has a high level of public confidence. The US needs something like that and to move away from the mish-mash of a system they currently have IMO. Not voter ID.

What sort of person doesn’t have an ID of any type?

 

[faible]

Interesting argument. I find it hard to believe they could settle on some sort of ID. Every one needs some type of ID in their life.

They don't really. If you're living in a remote Indigenous community, if you're young (but over 18), if you're homeless, if you're elderly (for example my Grandma has no photo ID whatsoever anymore).

These are the people it'll impact, to 'fix' a problem that doesn't exist.

 

[Bloods86]

Genuine question? Why are they against ID

It's an unnecessary requirement to combat an almost non existent problem.

Depending on the state, the likelihood of you having the required ID for that state can be lower for some demographics. And the cost of getting that ID to register to vote may be discouraging.

Along with other voting restrictions such as less polling booths or ballot drop boxes in certain areas, combined with restrictions that impact people who have to wait in line for long periods, and late/heavy handed voter roll purges, there are a number of ways Republicans attempt to shave off likely Democratic voters.

 

[GreyCrow]

What sort of person doesn’t have an ID of any type?

People who dont have drivers licences

 

[Satan]

What surprises me is how they still have dead people on their election roll, that should be tidied up.

like anything trump says about its a fair chance its bs

5000 dead ppl who voted was 4

Georgia officials find a pro-GOP ballot was cast by a dead voter

According to Donald Trump, 5,000 dead people voted in Georgia's 2020 presidential election. The actual number was four.

www.msnbc.com

 

[Bloods86]

What sort of person doesn’t have an ID of any type?

Someone who is poor and uses public transport/bikes/walks to wherever they go.

No money/need for a car so no licence, no money to travel overseas so no passport, so no photo ID.

Some might have student IDs, many wouldn't. Some might have a photo ID for some government services, but the assumption there is that it's the right ID for voting.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

What government isn't authoritarian these days? Both sides of politics have drifted hard in that direction over the past 5 to 10 years.

And for the record, if I was an American I wouldn't vote for trump.

For all their shortcomings, I'd hardly call any government authoritarian in Australia right now. I think you're using the word very loosely.

 

[magpie_marty]

RNC currently has 165 before the courts. At least two heading to Supreme Court.

Will be an interesting week.

More Than 165 Lawsuits Shape the 2024 US Presidential Election

For the full experience visit: More Than 165 Lawsuits Are Already Shaping the 2024 US Presidential Election

news.bloomberglaw.com

Habba and Bobb?

 

[iDon]

like anything trump says about its a fair chance its bs

5000 dead ppl who voted was 4

Georgia officials find a pro-GOP ballot was cast by a dead voter

According to Donald Trump, 5,000 dead people voted in Georgia's 2020 presidential election. The actual number was four.

www.msnbc.com

Hilarious that everything that has happened so far in the election that Trump claims is illegal has been done by Republican party people....

 

[jatz14]

What sort of person doesn’t have an ID of any type?

What sort of ID is that you think everyone has, that would be acceptable? DL - no. Some doent drive. Passport - no, many dont have. Any form of ID that doesn't have a photo is pointless. Library card?

What would you suggest?

 

[jatz14]

For all their shortcomings, I'd hardly call any government authoritarian in Australia right now. I think you're using the word very loosely.

He is using it the sense that governments exercise authority.

Which is the entire point of them.

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[Randomizor]

Voter fraud is almost non-existent. It’s not worth the time and money to enact useless policies like voter ID.

Election fraud, like Trump tried to commit in 2020, is what really needs guarding against

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[Randomizor]

Someone who is poor and uses public transport/bikes/walks to wherever they go.

No money/need for a car so no licence, no money to travel overseas so no passport, so no photo ID.

Some might have student IDs, many wouldn't. Some might have a photo ID for some government services, but the assumption there is that it's the right ID for voting.

Yeah it might work if there was some sort of official federal election council that properly defined the types of ID’s, provided information on how to get them, and gave a lot of advanced notice when the list was going to change.

If it was brought in now we’d see states going “Our statistics show black people are 5x more likely to have a drivers license than a passport. Passport is now the only accepted form of voting ID. Let’s announce that 2 days before the election”

 

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