USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

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I dont care

I care that you are backtracking on Trump not saying the words he did indeed say

Sadly this occurs when an argument has gone on for too long. You’ve now managed to change what my initial argument is about and have changed it to something completely different.
Mind numbingly stupid shit.
 

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Sadly this occurs when an argument has gone on for too long. You’ve now managed to change what my initial argument is about and have changed it to something completely different.
Mind numbingly stupid shit.
No you have backtracked and now playing the victim

You said Trump never said 9 barrels when indeed he did

This back and forth ends when you admit he said it or slink away
 
Trump IS what you see and hear. I wouldn't say Trump is trying to be something he isn't. Out of all of the candidates, Trump is the most authentic.
Authentic is not the right word, given Trump says he is someone different than who he is all the time.

I think a better word is "obvious". Who Trump is, is obvious to all who pay attention.

It's obvious he doesn't care for the way that politics has been conducted previously, though that doesn't mean his politics is good or better.

It's obvious that he's of an authoritarian mindset, given his actions after losing the last election, his rhetoric about going after opponents using force, his disdain for the free press, and admiration of dictatorial strongmen.

It's obvious he favours corporate and special interests over the average citizen, given his big achievements as President were tax cuts for the rich and appointing pro-corporate, religious zealot stooges to the judiciary. Along with sabotaging consumer and environmental protection agencies, the education department, and attempting the repeal of the Affordable Care Act without a replacement, i.e. going after things that actually benefit average Americans.

It's obvious he doesn't actually care about the southern border, because he sees it as a political opportunity to bash Democrats.

It's obvious he doesn't have a dove-ish foreign policy approach, especially when it comes to supporting hardline allies in Israel or Saudi Arabia, but is less committed to supporting those fighting other authoritarians who invaded them e.g. Ukraine.

And so on.
 
No you have backtracked and now playing the victim

You said Trump never said 9 barrels when indeed he did

This back and forth ends when you admit he said it or slink away

Make up another lie and I’ll be reporting your account.

That “he wants” 9 barrels pointed at her?

Again, that’s not what he said.

You know for a fact that’s not what he said, nor what he meant.
 
If we break down the Trump Cheney statement legally, yeah he did not specifically call for her execution. And so it is correct to call out the media for doing that.
BUT that was not where the danger of his statements come from. That single sentence is a dogwhistle to his more enthralled and violent supporters. That is the point of dog whistling, giving plausible distance between the whistler and the dogs. He should loudly denounce for using such language. He could have used regular combat imagery, not a firing squad. That is a big effin distinction. Maybe he could have used John McCain as an example of combat vet.
Well said.

There is a train of thought in the US atm that he is embedding a contingency for in case he loses the election.

We had the voting machine stuff recently but there is also the 'angry mob' factor he needs on standby. Under a week to go he is testing the limits of provocative language.
 

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You’re backtracking and you know it.

Full context is needed around videos being posted. Otherwise you are part of the problem. Be better.
Are you comfortable with what he actually said as per video you posted?
 
Are you comfortable with what he actually said as per video you posted?

I think he’s worded it poorly (as I’ve stated already), but I get what he is trying to say. It’s a hypothetical in that she wouldn’t like being on that front line with guns pointed at her. But she’s happy to send others there whilst she’s in her comfortable office.
Watching the full video basically confirms that.
I HATE him calling others stupid or dumb. Pot/kettle.

Again, context is everything, as has been stated multiple times on this forum.
 
It seems that way . Many at least.


I'm not sure how he can even remotely imply this.

I mean, Clinton won the popular vote in 2016. Biden whipped Trump in 2020.

And here we are in 2024 where Trump will probably get more votes than in 2016 and 2020.

If anything the movement is getting stronger.
 
I'm not sure how he can even remotely imply this.

I mean, Clinton won the popular vote in 2016. Biden whipped Trump in 2020.

And here we are in 2024 where Trump will probably get more votes than in 2016 and 2020.

If anything the movement is getting stronger.
Its where they are
 
I think he’s worded it poorly (as I’ve stated already), but I get what he is trying to say. It’s a hypothetical in that she wouldn’t like being on that front line with guns pointed at her. But she’s happy to send others there whilst she’s in her comfortable office.
Watching the full video basically confirms that.
I HATE him calling others stupid or dumb. Pot/kettle.

Again, context is everything, as has been stated multiple times on this forum.
Context is not everything. The veiled message is everything.

Read and learn.


Stochastic terrorism is a form of political violence instigated by hostile public rhetoric directed at a group or an individual. Unlike incitement to terrorism, stochastic terrorism is accomplished with indirect, vague or coded language, which grants the instigator plausible deniability for any associated violence.


Plausible deniability is a common feature of political discourse that allows speakers to avoid taking responsibility for a controversial utterance by invoking possible counter-interpretations. To engage in plausible deniability, Trump invokes seemingly reasonable evidence to contest or refute that he meant what he said, foregrounding only select elements of the meaning-making process while downplaying others. Trump’s use of plausible deniability allows him to rally his base while feigning innocence when confronted about controversial remarks. Although common to politics, Trumpian discourse pushes this language game to the limits of credulity through frequent acts of strategic denying that arouse both supporters and critics. This chapter analyzes the way Trump and his allies engage in plausible deniability through the examination of several high-profile cases, introducing the linguistic concept of “implicature” to shed light on the discursive moves and interpretive processes that underlie attempts to invoke plausible deniability. Key to deconstructing each of these examples is an anthropological understanding of the interactional context in which political remarks are spoken and understood.
 
I think he’s worded it poorly (as I’ve stated already), but I get what he is trying to say. It’s a hypothetical in that she wouldn’t like being on that front line with guns pointed at her. But she’s happy to send others there whilst she’s in her comfortable office.
Watching the full video basically confirms that.
I HATE him calling others stupid or dumb. Pot/kettle.

Again, context is everything, as has been stated multiple times on this forum.

Additional context - Trump wanted US military to shoot US protestors.

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I think he’s worded it poorly (as I’ve stated already), but I get what he is trying to say. It’s a hypothetical in that she wouldn’t like being on that front line with guns pointed at her. But she’s happy to send others there whilst she’s in her comfortable office.
Watching the full video basically confirms that.
I HATE him calling others stupid or dumb. Pot/kettle.

Again, context is everything, as has been stated multiple times on this forum.
I have conceded that context is important but not that it is misinformation like some of the things floating around ie voter fraud.

However there isn't any evidence she is a war hawk nor that the/his hypothetical has any merit, that is misinformation, or call it as it is LIES.

Further calling her a coward when he himself is a draft dodger is also hypocritical.

When shot in the ear, he himself called for more restraint in the usage of violent language, yet he is the biggest offender of using such language.
 

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