USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

[iBeng]

Did I miss the chat about Trump giving pleasure to a microphone?

 

[SeaOfFire]

If you didn't care about popular opinions, why did you come in here raging about popular opinions?

Because the opinions here aren't, in any way, shape or form, "popular".

You need to visit other, impoverished communities dude.

You know, where people live on $2 a day....not your entitled, relaxed, comfortable existence.

Get the **** out of your mindset that you, yourself, represent ANYTHING, other than regurgitated Twitter links, soundbites and videos.

Come visit Phon Chareon and any village outside Nairobi sometime...you know, the ones where there's no running water, electricity etc etc etc.

You are part of the problem.

I (or, I'd like to believe that...) know you don't WANT to be that, but you DEFEND that entitlement as if the idea of removal of entitlement is akin to death.

It isn't.

But you don't know that - your ignorance thus makes you susceptible to anyone who peddles an ideology which reinforces that entitlement.

Trump peddles X
Harris peddles Y.

Neither view or the accompanying policy which follows addresses your ignorance.

And if information doesn't educate, then it can only entertain.

But don't mistake entertainment for knowledge.

 

[IlovethePies]

Well this just caps off a terrible day. Not even a little love?

I am not a screaming anti-Trot. More of a slight sneer with a sly chuckle thrown in. You have to admit, Trots are a seriously unfunny bunch of people.

If you don't think that the economic policies of Don would bring a bit more pain for the working class, beginning with the weaponisation of tariffs, then I just don't know what to say.

Harris is no friend of the working class. We can agree on this. But Trump is a vandal who is inclined to create more pain for those in the least position to tolerate it. I'm not sure why you can't see this.

I still don't know if I'd vote for Kamala. I have a few more days to work out my hypothetical position if I could hypothetically vote.

Stubbornly yours, JB.

The fact that you "don't know" if you would vote for Harris is in itself a political indictment...political agnosticism, ie centrist wavering, which has always led to catastrophe for the working class ((Spanish civil war, the most obvious example)

The policies of Trump and Harris will equally bring disastrous attacks on the standard of living of the working class.

Both are committed to a war economy. The United States is investing an unprecedented $1.7 trillion in upgrading its nuclear arsenal—a bipartisan commitment that will advance regardless of the election’s outcome.

The price of gold is escalating to unprecedented levels. this is an expression of the growing lack of confidence in the US dollar, and the ability of the US state to finance its debt.

The US ruling elite, through the Democrats, has fully embraced a policy of genocide, state terrorism and war to defend US interests.

Trump only difference with Harris is that he (and the sections of the ruling elite which support him) believe the a fascist dictatorship is necessary immediately, before the launch of global war.

Harris is saying instead that we (the capitalist class) can control working class opposition through the corporatist trade union bureaucracy, and sowing illusions in the working class through Sanders and the DSA that somehow by pressuring the Democrats, a change in policy could occur.

However, far sooner than later, the Democrats like Trump will resort to police state violence against the working class, because workers are starting to rebel against the right wing procapitalist union bureaucracy.

So finally, if you don't know whether you'd vote for Kamala, what is your perspective??

Just to abstain from voting, and leave it at that?

Because if you do that, well you're just going to get steamrolled by vast political forces about which you have little comprehension.

 

[Satan]

Did I miss the chat about Trump giving pleasure to a microphone?

We did ,but some russian bots just flooded the thread

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Sure dude.

I sold my house in 2020. I don't have the receipt, sorry.

I donated 250K to a village on the border of Laos, where my wife lives, to invest in renewables. That is now my home.

I am trying to encourage that population, around 6000 people who are subsistence farmers that rely on the Mekong River, to embrace alternative forms of energy and lifestyle.

I now, this moment, have nowhere to live. I own NOTHING in Australia. - I have no house, no car, nothing.

I work with that community to try to educate and buttress them from climate change, from corporate interests and exploitation.

I live in the Torres Straits right now - company housing. And I do THE SAME here through advocacy and engagement with the Ngurapai homeland.

3 Islands up here (Boigu, Yam and Darnley) are under threat of inundation due to climate change. Boigu and the sister island Saibai currently have federal court initiatives against inundation. I believe Yam and Darnley will soon follow.

**** off.

I withdraw my charge of virtue signalling. You have clearly walked the walk in your life, whilst most of us are content to talk the talk. Kudos to you for living such a selfless life.

 

[SeaOfFire]

I withdraw my charge of virtue signalling. You have clearly walked the walk in your life, whilst most of us are content to talk the talk. Kudos to you for living such a selfless life.

Lol

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Lol

I was serious, but whatever.

 

[Saint Shags]

Did I miss the chat about Trump giving pleasure to a microphone?

I posted it earlier.
Was told that I took it out of context.
He was just telling everyone that the microphone wasn't working...

 

[SeaOfFire]

I withdraw my charge of virtue signalling. You have clearly walked the walk in your life, whilst most of us are content to talk the talk. Kudos to you for living such a selfless life.

And I Lol'd.

I don't know, nor do I care, if your response was earnest and honest.

And herein is the point.

What MATTERS is what YOU DO.

Not what you say.
Not what you believe.
Not what you think.

WHAT YOU DO.

So, stop bashing each other over Harris v Trump, Rep v Dem....it's all MEANINGLESS.

Live your lives according your OWN virtues.

I like to believe,all of you, are good people. That's EASY for me to do, because I don't have an AK-47 pointed at me.

But MILLIONS of people all over the world live like that - they live in FEAR.

That's not cool.

So, go be a force for "people not living in fear" - and many of you can walk down the street to your cafe, and grab a flat white....and you'll pass by people living in fear.

And not an AK in sight.

 

[JB1975]

Because if you do that, well you're just going to get steamrolled by vast political forces about which you have little comprehension.

I think you have as much grasp on things as a man with an icepick in his head, but I try to be polite.

Yes, of course the working class will positively welcome the rollback of medical care under Don, and the direct and knock-on effects of high tariffs won't trouble them in the slightest.

Your message is a breath of fresh air.

 

[franjon]

Or Pauline Hanson

No, that species is known as the dickhead.

 

[SeaOfFire]

I was serious, but whatever.

Apologies, see previous.

 

[SSwans2011]

I mean, it's possible, that most of you require group-think of any flavour to feel validated,

I'm a Socialist - there, it's said.

You are ALL part of the ****ing problem.

Harris vs Trump = IRRELEVANT.

NONE of you will sacrifice ANY of your privileges to lift up those who have NONE of those privileges.

I HAVE AND I DO.

I do that, purely because I want to know, when I die, that I stood for something that equaled my beliefs.

Go ahead bitches, argue your trash.

I'd rather LIVE my beliefs, not be a keyboard sycophant for an ideology.

Unprecedented levels of self-flagellation here while also stooping to the level you criticise others for operating at - kudos

 

[IlovethePies]

I think you have as much grasp on things as a man with an icepick in his head, but I try to be polite.

Yes, of course the working class will positively welcome the rollback of medical care under Don, and the direct and knock-on effects of high tariffs won't trouble them in the slightest.

Your message is a breath of fresh air.

You just showed where you stand, a pseudo left reactionary.

Your pretence of concern for the genocide in Gaza, and the conditions of the working class are exposed by your disgusting reference to the assassination of Trotsky.

This is how the Democratic Socialists in the US respond to Trotskyism: by celebrating the assassination of Trotsky by the Stalinists as an event to be celebrated and ridiculed.

At the same time, they provide the political cover for the Biden Administration and Harris, promoting the noxiious lie that somehow the Democrats can be pressured to adopt a "more compassionate" line, even as they keep funnelling weaponry to Netanyahu.

This is simply political treachery, and it will soon be exposed for what it is.

You are simply a Democrat pretending not quite to be one. The most sickening display of political cowardice and charlatanry that exists.

No sympathy for you anymore.

 

[SeaOfFire]

Unprecedented levels of self-flagellation here while also stooping to the level you criticise others for operating at - kudos

That appears a mendacious way of saying "I disagree"

Cheers.

 

[GreyCrow]

I mean, it's possible, that most of you require group-think of any flavour to feel validated,

I'm a Socialist - there, it's said.

You are ALL part of the ****ing problem.

Harris vs Trump = IRRELEVANT.

NONE of you will sacrifice ANY of your privileges to lift up those who have NONE of those privileges.

I HAVE AND I DO.

I do that, purely because I want to know, when I die, that I stood for something that equaled my beliefs.

Go ahead bitches, argue your trash.

I'd rather LIVE my beliefs, not be a keyboard sycophant for an ideology.

Its great you live your socialist ideal

Can you lend me a fiddy

 

[SSwans2011]

That appears a mendacious way of saying "I disagree"

Cheers.

Nah it's more of a hyperbolic way of saying that you're doing a really bad job of giving lessons on morality and civil discourse.

 

[GreyCrow]

Did I miss the chat about Trump giving pleasure to a microphone?

Well we would but we need to provide context

Was he testing the microphone? Was he simulating what Bubba will tell him to do or is it a dog whistle to the Harris is a sl** haters

 

[JB1975]

You just showed where you stand, a pseudo left reactionary.

Your pretence of concern for the genocide in Gaza, and the conditions of the working class are exposed by your disgusting reference to the assassination of Trotsky.

This is how the Democratic Socialists in the US respond to Trotskyism: by celebrating the assassination of Trotsky by the Stalinists as an event to be celebrated and ridiculed.

At the same time, they provide the political cover for the Biden Administration and Harris, promoting the noxiious lie that somehow the Democrats can be pressured to adopt a "more compassionate" line.

This is simply political treachery, and it will soon be exposed for what it is.

You are simply a Democrat pretending not quite to be one. The most sickening display of political cowardice and charlatanry that exists.

No sympathy for you anymore.

I feel judged.

 

[GreyCrow]

I donated 250K to a village on the border of Laos, where my wife lives, to invest in renewables. That is now my home.


I live in the Torres Straits right now -

So where do you live?

 

[GreyCrow]

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[Blue1980]

You just showed where you stand, a pseudo left reactionary.

Your pretence of concern for the genocide in Gaza, and the conditions of the working class are exposed by your disgusting reference to the assassination of Trotsky.

This is how the Democratic Socialists in the US respond to Trotskyism: by celebrating the assassination of Trotsky by the Stalinists as an event to be celebrated and ridiculed.

At the same time, they provide the political cover for the Biden Administration and Harris, promoting the noxiious lie that somehow the Democrats can be pressured to adopt a "more compassionate" line, even as they keep funnelling weaponry to Netanyahu.

This is simply political treachery, and it will soon be exposed for what it is.

You are simply a Democrat pretending not quite to be one. The most sickening display of political cowardice and charlatanry that exists.

No sympathy for you anymore.

I think you’re an accelerationist to speed up the process of the destruction of the world and Trump is the better vehicle for that purpose.

If it happens I hope something better does take the place,I fear that it might be after some sort of large scale war that goes nuclear and world population goes down to 1-2 billion in such a doomsday scenario.

I don’t believe any of that, I still think we can get things on a better track by keeping trump out of power.

The idea the Dems will begin a police state locking up everyone does seem rather far fetched. You can quote me on this if/when it occurs.

 

[Satan]

Well we would but we need to provide context

Was he testing the microphone? Was he simulating what Bubba will tell him to do or is it a dog whistle to the Harris is a sl** haters

Some think he has FTD

 

[IlovethePies]

I feel judged.

You come here and ridicule the assassination of Trotsky, also calling me a "tripping Trot".

Hope you do feel judged.

But like most things you write, it can't be assumed that you actually mean it.

 

[GreyCrow]

Some think he has FTD

For the Russian bots this is FrontoTemporal Disorder

FTD is the most common form of dementia for people under age 60. FTD is also frequently referred to as frontotemporal dementia, frontotemporal lobar

People with FTD typically live six to eight years with their condition, sometimes longer, sometimes less. Most people die of problems related to advanced disease