USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

[OneGreatClub]

Apparently, the un bleeped out un edited Trump Hollywood tapes is trending on tiktok amongst Gen Z, who were largely children when it first come out, but who are now voting age.

Apparently it's having quite the impact.

They get to hear the, grab em by the pussy, speech, and the full context in which it was said, which actually makes it worse, like most Trump quotes.

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Hopefully young women today are aware of what their grandmothers and great grandmothers had to endure before rights were given to women. It could all be taken away pretty rapidly if certain groups are given a chance.

 

[IlovethePies]

Don't resort to misquoting, I said that he does not consciously represent any class interests. As I conceded, any such representation would occur but only as a by-product of the deals he is willing to make based purely on self interest.

Yes, let's leave it here, I'm over your disingenuous arguments.

Damn it, you sucked me in again to replying.

So you think Trump is unconscious of the hundreds of millions he is receiving from the likes of Betsy DeVos, Woody Jonson (heir to Johnson& Johnson), John Paulsen (billionaire hedge fund manager), Stephen Schwarzmann (CEO of Blackstone), Jaime Daimon (JPMorgan and Chase)...

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Damn it, you sucked me in again to replying.

So you think Trump is unconscious of the hundreds of millions he is receiving from the likes of Betsy DeVos, Woody Jonson (heir to Johnson& Johnson), John Paulsen (billionaire hedge fund manager), Stephen Schwarzmann (CEO of Blackstone), Jaime Daimon (JPMorgan and Chase)...

FFS. Of course he is conscious of them. This is exactly what I'm saying, he gets the benefits (self interest, get it?) and they expect a return. That's the deal - they get representation as a by-product of essentially bribing him. He doesn't care past what he gets, he'll do what it takes to get his personal outcome.

Really, let's close it here. It's exam time, isn't it? If so, all the best in your exams (assuming Arts faculties still run exams).

 

[Dazzler9]

I'll leave it there.

Damn it, you sucked me in again to replying.

 

[Blue1980]

Damn it, you sucked me in again to replying.

So you think Trump is unconscious of the hundreds of millions he is receiving from the likes of Betsy DeVos, Woody Jonson (heir to Johnson& Johnson), John Paulsen (billionaire hedge fund manager), Stephen Schwarzmann (CEO of Blackstone), Jaime Daimon (JPMorgan and Chase)...

That is evidence he is working in self interest. What was your point again?

 

[OneGreatClub]

FFS. Of course he is conscious of them. This is exactly what I'm saying, he gets the benefits (self interest, get it?) and they expect a return. That's the deal - they get representation as a by-product of essentially bribing him. He doesn't care past what he gets, he'll do what it takes to get his personal outcome.

Really, let's close it here. It's exam time, isn't it? If so, all the best in your exams (assuming Arts faculties still run exams).

Yes he is transactional

 

[IlovethePies]

FFS. Of course he is conscious of them. This is exactly what I'm saying, he gets the benefits (self interest, get it?) and they expect a return. That's the deal - they get representation as a by-product of essentially bribing him. He doesn't care past what he gets, he'll do what it takes to get his personal outcome.

Really, let's close it here. It's exam time, isn't it? If so, all the best in your exams (assuming Arts faculties still run exams).

Yawn. I give up.

Idiocy wins.

 

[Dazzler9]

Yawn. I give up.

Idiocy wins.

Pinky promise??

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Yawn. I give up.

Idiocy wins.

No, you didn't.

 

[IlovethePies]

No, you didn't.

You're right. You did.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

You're right. You did.

Touché.

 

[magpie_marty]

Yawn. I give up.

Idiocy wins.

Me also do you consider Trump an honest man despite his 90 odd indictments,
Not to mention J6 and the be there it will be wild?

 

[Blue1980]

Me also do you consider Trump an honest man despite his 90 odd indictments,
Not to mention J6 and the be there it will be wild?

He isn't pro trump, he just thinks people should vote for the socialist candidate.

Also wants Trump to win because it will accelerate a collapse of everything to usher in socialist revolution. Though also claims Harris will also usher in a collapse, but not quite as fast, which is bad, but also the same.

Basically let Trump win and be happy to let millions of illegal immigrants, minorities in general, women etc be collateral damage for viva the revolution.

 

[geoffjennings79]

I know this thread is chaotic and combative, but bloody hell these last few pages have largely been a tangential waste of time. Hopefully we can get back to the election, poll updates, predictions, etc.

If there's a socialist revolution in the near future, can someone just tag me or something?

 

[IlovethePies]

I know this thread is chaotic and combative, but bloody hell these last few pages have largely been a tangential waste of time. Hopefully we can get back to the election, poll updates, predictions, etc.

If there's a socialist revolution in the near future, can someone just tag me or something?

No point in tagging you if you're not awake at the time.
It would mean that you're in deep hibernation.

 

[Blue1980]

I know this thread is chaotic and combative, but bloody hell these last few pages have largely been a tangential waste of time. Hopefully we can get back to the election, poll updates, predictions, etc.

If there's a socialist revolution in the near future, can someone just tag me or something?

I think its just more misdirection, but instead of people claiming Trump is better or praising Trump. This is the opposite "all is futile no lesser of evils". I still think its pretty disingenuous, it just doesn't sound like a serious solution.

 

[IlovethePies]

I think its just more misdirection, but instead of people claiming Trump is better or praising Trump. This is the opposite "all is futile no lesser of evils". I still think its pretty disingenuous, it just doesn't sound like a serious solution.

What's your solution, blue guy? Lay it out on the table.

 

[magpie_marty]

Seems Larua Loomer is not getting back on the plane no doubt Don Old will claim he barley new her.

 

[Blue1980]

What's your solution, blue guy? Lay it out on the table.

First off your solution is to just have world wide revolution, without any structure or leadership that I can see, you do need that in order to coordinate such events.

I am under no illusions that Harris winning an election v Trump saves the planet and we all live happily ever after. No one here is claiming that, however it doesn't mean it isn't important to stop a fascist from getting in the white house and the poisoning of the well that would lead to in other democracies world wide. This maybe a wet dream for you, as it could see war, riots, revolts etc however thinking they will all spin out in some socialist utopia, well I am not overly optimistic about.

I believe the best way to go is social democracies, and get us and the rest of the current western world to move further left than where we are. It is best to do this via democratic means, and improve democracy in current countries that have democracy. If in any country the will of the people is being ignored, then yes, you will have people rise up to those in power, but it will happen on a case by case basis. What you are proposing is somehow 200 odd countries coordinating something (I think, you still havent outlined how any of it would work).

Its not easy, and change probably wont happen as fast as any of us would like, but it can be done.

 

[GreyCrow]

What's your solution, blue guy? Lay it out on the table.

But thats your solution

You believe a Trump Presidency will lead to a quicker societal collapse which will speed up the glorious revolution

Most of us disagree that the US is heading for a socialist system - yes it is in serious decline - but it will correct itself and shamble along. Strong lawmakers might come along and tighten up the screws - but the society you think is coming isnt

What we might see is a shift towards a break in the UNITED but there will still be an American state

 

[NSWCROW]

Seems Larua Loomer is not getting back on the plane no doubt Don Old will claim he barley new her.

I would too if i were him, polls turned back around when they ****ed her off., absolute Jonah.

 

[happy_eagle]

I would too if i were him, polls turned back around when they ****ed her off., absolute Jonah.

 

[IlovethePies]

But thats your solution

You believe a Trump Presidency will lead to a quicker societal collapse which will speed up the glorious revolution

Most of us disagree that the US is heading for a socialist system - yes it is in serious decline - but it will correct itself and shamble along. Strong lawmakers might come along and tighten up the screws - but the society you think is coming isnt

What we might see is a shift towards a break in the UNITED but there will still be an American state

Completely false. I have never said that.
I have said instead that election of either candidate will lead to societal collapse.
Have never placed comparitive time frame on either scenario.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Completely false. I have never said that.
I have said instead that election of either candidate will lead to societal collapse.
Have never placed comparitive time frame on either scenario.

Except you did state that you believe it will happen within your lifetime (as you oppose my view that it won’t)

 

[2 eazy]

If Trump ran against Albo in an Australian election reckon he will win?