USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris

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NBC poll taken before the shooting.

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Just goes to show you that nothing in the US electoral system works, including the primaries. Democrats never had an opportunity to put in someone better. They learned nothing from Clinton. I genuinely wonder if they prefer opposition and the donations it brings.

Australia has its share of shit****ery, but the system itself is far better and leads to far better outcomes.

If Dutton wins it will be dark times for our unfortunatley opaque little democracy, but well still be able to say 'at least it's not as bad as America'.
 

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For those claiming AOC is too young and immature can I have your thoughts on 39 year old JD Vance?

Given JD is one bad Big Mac away from the nookelar codes are we a tad concerned?
This rhetoric was all the rage before Trumps first term though. OMG Trump will have access to the Nuclear codes. Yet after his 4 years the world was a lot safer place than after 4 years of Biden.
 
This rhetoric was all the rage before Trumps first term though. OMG Trump will have access to the Nuclear codes. Yet after his 4 years the world was a lot safer place than after 4 years of Biden.

This is such a furphy 😂

Yes, Trump, the guy who loves Putin and thinks Ukraine should give up, who wants to withdraw from NATO, who moved the US embassy to Jerusalem in one of the most inflammatory moves in modern times in that region, is a bastion of global safety.
 
Just goes to show you that nothing in the US electoral system works, including the primaries. Democrats never had an opportunity to put in someone better. They learned nothing from Clinton. I genuinely wonder if they prefer opposition and the donations it brings.

Australia has its share of shit****ery, but the system itself is far better and leads to far better outcomes.

If Dutton wins it will be dark times for our unfortunatley opaque little democracy, but well still be able to say 'at least it's not as bad as America'.

Yes and as we have an independent electoral commission, our seats are evenly distributed by population. Meaning if Dutton did win it’s not going to be with millions less people voting for him in some weird electoral collage quirk.
 
For those claiming AOC is too young and immature can I have your thoughts on 39 year old JD Vance?

Given JD is one bad Big Mac away from the nookelar codes are we a tad concerned?

Those same people claiming dangerous rhetoric I assume are angry at JD’s past and present rhetoric. Calling Trump a fascist and claiming the Dems responsible for Trump shooting attempt.
 
This is such a furphy 😂

Yes, Trump, the guy who loves Putin and thinks Ukraine should give up, who wants to withdraw from NATO, who moved the US embassy to Jerusalem in one of the most inflammatory moves in modern times in that region, is a bastion of global safety.
Ukraine has probably fleeced the US out of enough money by now anyway. Biden has looked weak the entire time in office and those countries know it.

Trump is not a war monger that people make him out to be and continually talk about bringing people together whether inside the US or overseas.
 
Ukraine has probably fleeced the US out of enough money by now anyway. Biden has looked weak the entire time in office and those countries know it.

Trump is not a war monger that people make him out to be and continually talk about bringing people together whether inside the US or overseas.

Trump more drone strikes than any other president, funding Saudis war v Yemen, moving embassy to Jerusalem to inflame tensions and knocking off high up commander in Iran.

He was no different to a normal neocon in that regard. Neither he nor Biden are doing any troops on ground wars and Biden hasn’t begun any wars either.

Russia invaded Ukraine, not sure that could be put on Biden. Only difference is Trump would have tried to let Russia get everything they want.

Hamas did October 7 and then yes Biden has aided a genocide of Gaza, yet Trump somehow thinks Joe is a Palestinian and pretty much wants Gaza bombed harder.

Trumps way of “peace” is to give the more powerful side everything they want.
 
He was clearly wrong as was anyone who had that. He may have said/done things I disagree with but he did and does continually talk about peacefully resolutions in the US and abroad.

I think JD Vance is all about JD Vance and has no real ideology and will do and say whatever is necessary for his own interests.

When he was saying those things against trump, it was because it was beneficial to him at the time. He has now bended the knee to trump as it’s beneficial for him obtaining power.

Aren’t his peaceful resolutions just being pro Russia and letting them do whatever to end the war?

Not sure of his Israel stance, guessing it’s not condemning Netanyahu though.
 
Just goes to show you that nothing in the US electoral system works, including the primaries. Democrats never had an opportunity to put in someone better. They learned nothing from Clinton. I genuinely wonder if they prefer opposition and the donations it brings.

Australia has its share of shit****ery, but the system itself is far better and leads to far better outcomes.

If Dutton wins it will be dark times for our unfortunatley opaque little democracy, but well still be able to say 'at least it's not as bad as America'.

If the Democrats put in any number of boring, normal, random, relatively unknown, halfway-competent looking candidate then they win.

Trump stinks. He’s a creep and a criminal and people know it. Only his crazy lemmings think otherwise, and they’ll never vote anything but Republican anyway.

He won in 2016 because Hillary was a terrible candidate and if he wins in 2024 it’a because Biden is all but a deceased man in a suit.

Something Democrats need to reckon with is that their party has deep, deep issues which leads them to these car crash candidates. They couldn’t stop the Clintons. They can’t stop the Bidens. People are talking about Michelle Obama… good lord.

The US psyche is big on independence and voters do not like “royal families”. Yet the Democrats seem to keep trying to give it to them.

They have themselves to blame. The Democratic Party is clearly ****ed.
 
If the Democrats put in any number of boring, normal, random, relatively unknown, halfway-competent looking candidate then they win.

Trump stinks. He’s a creep and a criminal and people know it. Only his crazy lemmings think otherwise, and they’ll never vote anything but Republican anyway.

He won in 2016 because Hillary was a terrible candidate and if he wins in 2024 it’a because Biden is all but a deceased man in a suit.

Something Democrats need to reckon with is that their party has deep, deep issues which leads them to these car crash candidates. They couldn’t stop the Clintons. They can’t stop the Bidens. People are talking about Michelle Obama… good lord.

The US psyche is big on independence and voters do not like “royal families”. Yet the Democrats seem to keep trying to give it to them.

They have themselves to blame. The Democratic Party is clearly ****ed.

Dems problem that their halfwit leadership doesn’t know or care about is that people have had a gutful of the status quo so hate them being a centrist “don’t rock the boat” party.

Look at what’s happened in France, the far left saved them from fascists as the centres vote collapsed. That’s just one example.

Dems need to offer a positive alternative with proper progressive policies. The sad truth is they have been taken over by the corporate types who’d actually prefer a trump presidency than a genuine progressive like Bernie.
 

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