USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris

[Chief]

 

[Crankyhawk]

How many votes do you think she’s worth? lol

Hard core swifties will likely be ones voting with emotion and feelings rather than doing their own thinking.

 

[CD Xbow]

He wants Jesse Watters to moderate the debate “because he said I won last night’s debate.”

Can’t see anything wrong with that.

The man who said. “I heard the scientists say the other day that when a man votes for a woman, he actually transitions into a woman.” He is certainly dumb enough to be a Trump fanboy. I tried to find that scientist who said that, and couldn't, it appears the scientist only exists in Mr Watters mind.

 

[Satan]

Another Trump acolyte from Faux


#sobrave
If you think russian cyber attack , wait for swifties to cyber attack levin

They have caused ticketmaster grief

The Justice Department wants to 'break up Live Nation.' Taylor Swift fans are ready for it.

Frustration over the ticketing company began to boil over in late 2022 as fans complained about overloaded presale queues for the domestic leg of Swift’s 2023 "Eras Tour."

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Crankyhawk]

Unfortunately Harris won the debate tonight. And even if she didn't she did well and truly enough to calm any worries about her not being able to handle Trump in a Debate.

She did enough tonight, but I hope it wasn't enough in the end to sway to many undecided voters.

Was the Debate skewed against Trump, absolutely, but we all know the ABC would make it a lot easier for the Democrats going in to it.

Trump looked rattled a little for mine.

God help the Americans that the gap between Right and Left is a chasm and looks like it will never be mended. sadly its past the point of fixing.

God help the West..... the Decline is nearly beyond fixing now.

The left is not represented in this USA election.

 

[Blue1980]

This is correct

Important thing is how the debate lands with the undecideds

Any even more importantly how little moments of the debate that get snipped out of the full two hour event and circulated endlessly on social media land with undecideds

Yeah the people voting trump are either non thinking republicans, racists, people who enjoy the show and general cult members.

The cult members even if the space ship doesn’t come to take them away as promised, they will double down as admitting they have been duped is too hard for them because they have put so much of their identity into it.

 

[Blue1980]

The man who said. “I heard the scientists say the other day that when a man votes for a woman, he actually transitions into a woman.” He is certainly dumb enough to be a Trump fanboy. I tried to find that scientist who said that, and couldn't, it appears the scientist only exists in Mr Watters mind.

Strange how Fox are so anti science yet try and pretend a scientist said something

 

[Crankyhawk]

How?

He had to think
He was directly challenged on his beliefs/ feelings with external truth. It’s not fair to challenge ones “belief” that’s like dissing his religion

Or some shit like this

 

[Royces Hart]

Another Trump acolyte from Faux


#sobrave
If you think russian cyber attack , wait for swifties to cyber attack levin

They have caused ticketmaster grief

The Justice Department wants to 'break up Live Nation.' Taylor Swift fans are ready for it.

Frustration over the ticketing company began to boil over in late 2022 as fans complained about overloaded presale queues for the domestic leg of Swift’s 2023 "Eras Tour."

www.nbcnews.com

Keep attacking her, won’t backfire at all.

It’s hilarious that they are disparaging her purely for endorsing Trump’s opponent. Lovers of democracy apparently.

 

[Cactus_]

Unfortunately Harris won the debate tonight. And even if she didn't she did well and truly enough to calm any worries about her not being able to handle Trump in a Debate.

She did enough tonight, but I hope it wasn't enough in the end to sway to many undecided voters.

Was the Debate skewed against Trump, absolutely, but we all know the ABC would make it a lot easier for the Democrats going in to it.

Trump looked rattled a little for mine.

God help the Americans that the gap between Right and Left is a chasm and looks like it will never be mended. sadly its past the point of fixing.

God help the West..... the Decline is nearly beyond fixing now.

U2tigers, you’re not a genuine Trump fan are you?

This is just another bit of your (justly famous) trolling, right?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Probably that they would secure my Border, handle the Economy way better, and would put the nation first.

But hey you pick your things that matter to you and I will pick mine.

There is no evidence that republican policy is better for the economy. And there is also issues of whether policy can be implemented. Trump cannot organise or implement. So unless your economic theory is the libertarian “no government” approach I’m struggling to see how it works

 

[Cactus_]

How many votes do you think she’s worth? lol

Swift?

Not many at all.

My feeling is that the celebrity endorsements mean a lot less than people think they will.

Hillary had about 400,000 celebrity endorsements and it didn’t do her much good – a lot of average Americans don’t like being told what to do by rich Hollywood / music industry types.

Might help a bit with a few young first time voters but a lot of the ones who might be influenced would be in the Harris camp already.

Having said all that I think the timing of her announcement might be tactically important . . . it means that a bit more of the post debate commentary will focus of Harris and the Democrats and make it harder for the Republicans to do damage control.

 

[Cactus_]

Probably that they would secure my Border, handle the Economy way better, and would put the nation first.

But hey you pick your things that matter to you and I will pick mine.

There is no evidence that republican policy is better for the economy. And there is also issues of whether policy can be implemented. Trump cannot organise or implement. So unless your economic theory is the libertarian “no government” approach I’m struggling to see how it works

Trump definitely would not handle the economy better if he followed through on his 10% tariff plan

There is a reason that pretty much every country in the world favours free trade (I’m basically a socialist and even I know that free trade works better than protectionism from an economic point of view)

If Trump actually followed through on what he says his plans are (big if) he’d probably tank the US economy as much the Tories and Liz Truss tanked the UK economy.

And on the border, the Republicans themselves voted down the harsh border restrictions bill that they helped design, just so Trump could say Biden and Harris are weak on border protection. It is Trump himself that has weakened border protection in the US, not Biden and Harris!

 

[Young Redleg]

Kamala was treated with kid gloves, which was to be expected.

Lol no she wasn't. There were times where the moderators refused to let her respond to Trump and pointed out her inconsistent positions on various policies.

 

[Crankyhawk]

What else can any politician do in the Abortion debate. It is such a hot divisive issue. I actually think he handles this issue well.

And there are people in America and on the Democratic side who are championing full term abortions, as sickening as that sounds.

Abortion would be any politicians krytonite.

Not aware of any outside of termination for those pregnancies that cannot independently live (anencephaly etc) certainly nothing re healthy babies. The abortion laws are such a shitshow that gynae docs aren’t even sure if they can surgically intervene on a septic miscarriage

Woman said she went into sepsis before she could get lifesaving abortion care in Texas

A Texas woman said she had to wait until she developed sepsis before physicians could provide her with lifesaving abortion care.

abcnews.go.com

 

[happy_eagle]

You know it went bad when not even Piers Morgan can find positives for Trump.

 

[ep2018]

Swift?

Not many at all.

My feeling is that the celebrity endorsements mean a lot less than people think they will.

Hillary had about 400,000 celebrity endorsements and it didn’t do her much good – a lot of average Americans don’t like being told what to do by rich Hollywood / music industry types.

Might help a bit with a few young first time voters but a lot of the ones who might be influenced would be in the Harris camp already.

Having said all that I think the timing of her announcement might be tactically important . . . it means that a bit more of the post debate commentary will focus of Harris and the Democrats and make it harder for the Republicans to do damage control.

Swift is an artist with a following that is the closest thing I've seen to modern day Beatlemania. Imagine someone with that pull with their fans saying they'll vote for Kamala Harris? I suspect the election was a done deal even with Biden, too many people hate Trump and saner Republicans will not vote, but this endorsement has slammed the door shut imo.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Everyone forgets Trump has already been president for 4 years, we can link back that to what he would be about today.

That was with moderating influences and competent republicans. They have now been replaced with magadiots like Majorie Taylor green et al.

 

[happy_eagle]

Will be interesting how this effects the swing states. Polling as of 10/09 (RCP averages)

Arizona - Trump +1.6
Nevada - Harris +0.6
Wisconsin - Haris +1.5
Michigan - Harris +1.2
Pennsylvania - Even
North Carolina - Trump +0.1
Georgia - Trump +0.3

Probably enough of a boost to see Harris take the lead in Pennsylvania, North Carolina and maybe Georgia whilst extending the lead in others.

 

[Crankyhawk]

U2tigers, you’re not a genuine Trump fan are you?

This is just another bit of your (justly famous) trolling, right?

From what he posted and not knowing any other history seems a fan of traditional Republican policy and outcomes and believes this will continue under another trump administration (presumably the party machine would control trump). Likely would have wanted Haley to have been the candidate (I certainly did/do)

 

[jatz14]

Not much attraction at all.

But its the policies that would have me as a Republican voter regardless who the leader is.

Surely America has better candidates then who currently they have leading each party.

For Trump, a policy is just a slogan telling people what they want to hear, with absolutely no actual plan to do it.

Its like Brexit, where Boris had a policy to replace deals with the EU, with deals with other countries, that were better, but when asked how they were going to do this, the only thing they had was, they were going to negotiate really really hard and get really really good deals. Thats what Brexiters wanted to hear, but its not a policy, its a vague aspiration, with no clue how to do it.

Thats Trump in a nutshell, he finds out what you want, then says he is going to get it for you. But that's not a policy, its not even a vague intention, he isn't even going to try, and wouldn't know how even if he did.

His only kept promise was permanent tax cuts for the rich.

 

[Cactus_]

Swift is an artist with a following that is the closest thing I've seen to modern day Beatlemania. Imagine someone with that pull with their fans saying they'll vote for Kamala Harris? I suspect the election was a done deal even with Biden, too many people hate Trump and saner Republicans will not vote, but this endorsement has slammed the door shut imo.

Hope you’re right

I think the Walz VC pick has proved to be pretty inspired

I think this debate performance by Harris should silence a few doubters

And the Swift endorsement can’t hurt at any rate

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Swift was born in Pennsylvania

'Where is Taylor Swift from? Taylor Swift was born in West Reading, Pennsylvania. When she was 13, her parents sold their family farm in Pennsylvania and moved to Hendersonville, Tennessee, so she could pursue a career in country music in nearby Nashville.'

 

[CD Xbow]

From what he posted and not knowing any other history seems a fan of traditional Republican policy and outcomes and believes this will continue under another trump administration (presumably the party machine would control trump). Likely would have wanted Haley to have been the candidate (I certainly did/do)

Why do they always think this about these characters? They couldn't control Trump last time, less chance this time. Pre WWII the German conservatives, big business and military thought they could control Hitler. Same mistake.

 

[Cactus_]

For Trump, a policy is just a slogan telling people what they want to hear, with absolutely no actual plan to do it.

Its like Brexit, where Boris had a policy to replace deals with the EU, with deals with other countries, that were better, but when asked how they were going to do this, the only thing they had was, they were going to negotiate really really hard and get really really good deals. Thats what Brexiters wanted to hear, but its not a policy, its a vague aspiration, with no clue how to do it.

Thats Trump in a nutshell, he finds out what you want, then says he is going to get it for you. But that's not a policy, its not even a vague intention, he isn't even going to try, and wouldn't know how even if he did.

His only kept promise was permanent tax cuts for the rich.

Exactly right

The right wing have this “we’re better with the economy” thing that seems to be incredibly hard to break even when there is a mountain of evidence to the contrary

Johnson’s Brexit and Trumps 10% tariff this the perfect analogy (except the Tory’s in the UK actually went ahead with Brexit – it is anyone’s guess whether Trump would actually follow through with any of the things he talks about if he actually gets elected)

 

[Satan]

Swift?

Not many at all.

My feeling is that the celebrity endorsements mean a lot less than people think they will.

Hillary had about 400,000 celebrity endorsements and it didn’t do her much good – a lot of average Americans don’t like being told what to do by rich Hollywood / music industry types.

Might help a bit with a few young first time voters but a lot of the ones who might be influenced would be in the Harris camp already.

Having said all that I think the timing of her announcement might be tactically important . . . it means that a bit more of the post debate commentary will focus of Harris and the Democrats and make it harder for the Republicans to do damage control.

If abortion was not an election issue due to roe being overturned , I would say Swift influence would not be so great but as the vast majority of voting Swifities are 18-40 female in there prime reproductive stage , abortion is a big deal . Trump never said he would not sign a national abortion bill .he threw vance under the bus