USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris

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Serious question: is using tariffs to protect local industry not traditionally a left wing concept? I feel like unions and left-wing parties wanted to keep the auto industry going in Australia, for example, and it was the RWNJ's who decided it was okay to offshore this stuff because of muh free market. Then covid hit and many of us realised that we should probably have a little bit of local manufacturing independence instead of creating an economy that depends on outsourced slavery 🤷‍♂️
It's like arguing whether Smallpox is left or right wing.
It's really neither, just a relic of the distant past.
 

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I'm sorry to say that this won't make a difference. Trump voters have rationalised the crazy and accept it.

Really think that most of them are like the Joker. They just want to see the world burn, because they don't recognise what it's becoming, and their insulated white world is collapsing on them.
I tend to agree but what I’m not seeing is Democrats and even undecided voters (unsure how anyone can say they’re undecided at this stage), moving towards Trump, whereas there seems to be a lot of longtime Republicans who are willingly coming out and saying Trump is unfit to serve and they’re voting for Harris. Maybe I don’t watch enough Fox?
 
I tend to agree but what I’m not seeing is Democrats and even undecided voters (unsure how anyone can say they’re undecided at this stage), moving towards Trump, whereas there seems to be a lot of longtime Republicans who are willingly coming out and saying Trump is unfit to serve and they’re voting for Harris. Maybe I don’t watch enough Fox?
Other than a few loonies, Tulsi, RFK Jr, they aren't moving to Trump.

It should all lead to a comfortable win to Harris, the fact it's going to be a squeaker is an indictment on the electoral college, given she'll win the popular vote by ~5m.
 
Seriously who could vote for this guy. He belongs in a home


One thing I’ve noticed especially in this election is that conservative forums no longer post clips of Trump. In 2016 they did, cheering on whatever he said. But in 2024, even they know he sounds like a raging lunatic and no longer post direct clips of him speaking. It’s always sane-washed news articles or clips of Democrat gaffes.

This is probably why people leave his rallies early. It’s the first time they are actually exposed to him speaking.
 
I thought it was disingenuous to post clips as they weren't representative of the whole.....or at least that's what i was told by prominent leftists on here when Biden was dribbling, and they wanted to try and excuse his decline.

Oh well i guess he just had a bad day.
 

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Can we honestly say that the debate really changed anyone's minds? It's very likely Americans are already decided on who they're going to vote, Trumps supporters are going to believe what he says, Democrats are going to vote for Harris anyway, the most it would have is change the midns of like 60,000 people in inconsequencial states who weren't planning to vote that day going "Eh, might as well"

It's all for show, I do think Harris going for the "Trump is insane" card is the right play, because you can't really deny it, some of the shit he says is funny but it's just starting to become tiring.
Debates in an American electoral context aren't really something you win, but it is absolutely possible to lose them.
 

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