List Mgmt. 2024 Young Talent Time (Drafting)

[Snuffaluphagus]

 

[malpaso]

Agreed, and the approach Snuff has taken for the draft list makes complete sense.

It was probably the comment that it is a "big furphy" that the pick number drops that triggered me a little.

It is a furphy, we don't actually pick at 17 because some of those ahead of us are not 'picks', they are pre-determined in the first round.

 

[ubiquitous226]

It is a furphy, we don't actually pick at 17 because some of those ahead of us are not 'picks', they are pre-determined in the first round.

Ah but that's where I disagree.
I understand the position, that talent is available to you so you still get, for example, the fourteenth best available talent.

But because of rule changes the talent that is available changes, so it still represents what your priority was compared to other teams, which is all the pick number represents anyways.

If you were to take it to extremes and the top 10 rated players were all linked to other teams, and you faithfully bid in order of your talent list, you didn't get the "best" player when you choose at 11 using your original pick 1.
You get your 11th choice.

Now there's a lot of distortion in how different teams or don't bid, so it isn't that clear cut, but pretending it means absolutely nothing doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Agreed, and the approach Snuff has taken for the draft list makes complete sense.

It was probably the comment that it is a "big furphy" that the pick number drops that triggered me a little.

Nah, I get this. People arguing it doesnt matter in trades are flat out wrong IMO and like you, I've had this discussion ad nauseum. To prove mine (and your) point, David Walls literally said on radio they wanted a future pick knowing how far the Pies pick will fall for Schultz. So that's from a list managers mouth (after a trade is done, so less bullshit).

Once trade period is over though, yes, doesnt matter anymore, those players basically dont exist. Interestingly, I can see a situation if the new bid points is actually effectively where they are still counted.

 

[Superkoops]

The chart you have done makes sense.

I agree and didn’t bother arguing the point with posters but the list managers absolutely consider net point value in trades and also anticipated final draft pick landing after bids etc.