List Mgmt. 2024 Young Talent Time (Drafting)

[Snuffaluphagus]

 

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Draft rankings to better see who you can expect to be available around our picks. Happy to add anyone else you want to this and I'll update if I see someone change their rankings (I expect changes given the combine just finished).

I have removed points players who are no longer relevant to us now trading is done

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[Swiggy]

By my understanding of the current NGA rules, the Eagles are pretty unlikely to keep their NGA Malakai Champion. Champion didn't have the strongest finish to the year, but he's getting draft predictions 40-60 while West Coast are saying they'd like to pick him up as a Cat B rookie. West Coast hold picks 12, 26 (both of which seem too high for Champion) and 73 (which has no attached point value with the 2024 adjustment). Surely a pick that has no attached point value cannot be used as part of the bidding process, even if a club is willing to go into a future deficit.

(Unfortunately, our pick 30 might also be too early to pick Champion—but if we hypothetically did pick him with 30, it seems like West Coast would be powerless to stop us?)

I also don't know what happens when bids come in for Academy players after pick 55 now that it has no value attached to it. Does the club with the F/S or Academy attachment just pick them up for free? Or could we pip them with our pick 67 (that will presumably be shuffled up the order by others teams bidding)?

If anyone knows otherwise on any of the bidding stuff, please correct me; I already found the bidding system inscrutable before the recent changes.

West coast can match any bid from pick 1 with the new rules. They have future picks the help trade back in to match bid. He’ll get to west coast unfortunately

 

[Taylor]

I wonder how a deficit will work because the points required to match a bid at say #30 is a lot more than the points would be next year.

 

[Swiggy]

I wonder how a deficit will work because the points required to match a bid at say #30 is a lot more than the points would be next year.

I’d say with the extra picks they got in barrass they’ll find enough points

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

About 1 after us hey?

When he says it like that it sounds like a blatant media talking point (which it kinda is), but it appears to be true. The average ranking spikes right in btwn Joe Berry and Jobe Shanahan funnily enough.

(Updated to Twomey's Oct 2024. Same names in the 30, but just a shuffling of the order.)

	Rookie Me	Twomey	The Age	AVERAGE	RANK
Jagga Smith	1	4	3	2.666666667	1
Sam Lalor	5	3	1	3	2
Harvey Langford	3	2	4	3	3
Finn O'Sullivan	6	1	5	4	4
Josh Smilie	7	7	6	6.666666667	5
Sid Draper	8	6	7	7	6
Murphy Reid	2	5	15	7.333333333	7
Alix Tauru	15	8	2	8.333333333	8
Harry Armstrong	10	9	8	9	9
Tobie Travaglia	11	10	9	10	10
Bo Allan	4	11	16	10.33333333	11
Taj Hotton	9	12	13	11.33333333	12
Xavier Lindsay	12	13	10	11.66666667	13
Luke Trainor	13	14	11	12.66666667	14
Joe Berry	14	15	12	13.66666667	15
Jobe Shanahan	17	17	14	16	16
Jack Whitlock	16	16	18	16.66666667	17
Cooper Hynes	19	18	22	19.66666667	18
Jesse Dattoli	18	20	21	19.66666667	19
Jonty Faull	20	21	19	20	20
Oliver Hannaford	23	24	17	21.33333333	21
Matt Whitlock	25	19	22	22	22
Tom Gross	21	23	23	22.33333333	23
Harrison Oliver	22	22	24	22.66666667	24
Alex Dodson	26	25	20	23.66666667	25
Christian Moraes	24	26	25	25	26

 

[Taylor]

I’d say with the extra picks they got in barrass they’ll find enough points

No doubt, but imagine it costing a second to third round downgrade because the points on a pick this Year are bigger than one next year when they have to pay for them

 

[fnerd]

Thank ****. Everyone remember this so you can post it all over the site in every phantom draft. Although, I do think its now West Coast everyone will send him to.

About 1 after us hey?

Cmon Joao , you should know better than to doubt the great man!!

 

[theGav56]

Crazy to concede talent out of a sense of pride. Bo would obviously much rather come to Freo but I don't think that's gonna stop WCE if he's still on the board by their first rounder.

What are you talking about? Champion is in their nga, Bo isn't. Nothing to do with pride.

Bo may well prefer them by the way because he won't have to bide his time in the wafl like Erasmus has.

 

[theGav56]

Thank ****. Everyone remember this so you can post it all over the site in every phantom draft. Although, I do think its now West Coast everyone will send him to.

About 1 after us hey?

They may aswell send the work experience kid to the run the first day of the draft.

 

[Alfonz]

Draft rankings to better see who you can expect to be available around our picks. Happy to add anyone else you want to this and I'll update if I see someone change their rankings (I expect changes given the combine just finished).

I have removed points players who are no longer relevant to us now trading is done

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There's also Chris25, ESPN and Herald Sun out there. You can find the first 2 easily enough, here is the latter (couldn't be bothered with all 60 as the format was a pain in the backside to deal with).

1	Levi Ashcroft
2	Jagga Smith
3	Finn O'Sullivan
4	Harvey Langford
5	Sid Draper
6	Sam Lalor
7	Murphy Reid
8	Josh Smillie
9	Harry Armstrong
10	Leo Lombard
11	Tobie Travaglia
12	Alixzander Tauru
13	Luke Trainor
14	Bo Allan
15	Isaac Kako
16	Jobe Shanahan
17	Taj Hotton
18	Xavier Lindsay
19	Sam Marshall
20	Jack Whitlock
21	Alex Dodson
22	Joe Berry
23	Cooper Hynes
24	Jonty Faull
25	Jesse Dattoli
26	Matt Whitlock
27	Ollie Hannaford
28	Tom Gross
29	Christian Moraes
30	Noah Mraz
31	Ben Camporeale
32	Hamish Davis
33	Jack Ough
34	Harrison Oliver
35	James Barrat
36	Logan Smith
37	Lachie Jaques
38	Harry O'Farrell
39	Angus Clarke
40	Archer Day-Wicks

 

[theGav56]

When he says it like that it sounds like a blatant media talking point (which it kinda is), but it appears to be true. The average ranking spikes right in btwn Joe Berry and Jobe Shanahan funnily enough.

	Rookie Me	Twomey	The Age	AVERAGE	RANK
Jagga Smith	1	2	3	2	1
Harvey Langford	3	1	4	2.666666667	2
Sam Lalor	5	5	1	3.666666667	3
Finn O'Sullivan	6	3	5	4.666666667	4
Josh Smilie	7	6	6	6.333333333	5
Murphy Reid	2	4	15	7	6
Sid Draper	8	7	7	7.333333333	7
Harry Armstrong	10	8	8	8.666666667	8
Alix Tauru	15	9	2	8.666666667	9
Tobie Travaglia	11	10	9	10	10
Bo Allan	4	11	16	10.33333333	11
Taj Hotton	9	12	13	11.33333333	12
Xavier Lindsay	12	15	10	12.33333333	13
Luke Trainor	13	13	11	12.33333333	14
Joe Berry	14	14	12	13.33333333	15
Jobe Shanahan	17	16	14	15.66666667	16
Jack Whitlock	16	17	18	17	17
Jonty Faull	20	19	19	19.33333333	18
Cooper Hynes	19	18	22	19.66666667	19
Jesse Dattoli	18	20	21	19.66666667	20
Oliver Hannaford	23	26	17	22	21
Tom Gross	21	23	23	22.33333333	22
Alex Dodson	26	22	20	22.66666667	23
Matt Whitlock	25	21	22	22.66666667	24
Harrison Oliver	22	25	24	23.66666667	25
Christian Moraes	24	24	25	24.33333333	26

Berry, Hynes, Hannaford, Dattoli, Davis* and Gross all with forward credentials and midfield capabilities, and all within our sweetspot.

 

[Joao]

I've reflected on my desire for a small forward. If we get one, they are taking Sturt's place (eventually). Not sure how I feel about that.

Maybe an outside mid or HB upgrade for Wagner is more suitable?

 

[Tundrawolf]

If we get one, they are taking Sturt's place (eventually).

Snuf can I borrow your bin emoji please.

 

[Van_Dyke]

Snuf can I borrow your bin emoji please.

I've bricked him for you

I've reflected on my desire for a small forward. If we get one, they are taking Sturt's place (eventually). Not sure how I feel about that.

Maybe an outside mid or HB upgrade for Wagner is more suitable?

With bolton coming in I think I'm fine with any of a HBF/outside mid/small. honestly anything that isn't a KPF/KPD or ruck and I'm happy

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I've reflected on my desire for a small forward. If we get one, they are taking Sturt's place (eventually). Not sure how I feel about that.

Maybe an outside mid or HB upgrade for Wagner is more suitable?

Small forward and running defender are still the area's with the least amount of depth IMO and room for improvement. Going off the rankings, it does look like we have a good shot at either at 14, we just might not have a choice of which (though it'd be nice if someone takes Shanahan and Trainor)

 

[MakeshiftMartyr]

Small forward and running defender are still the area's with the least amount of depth IMO and room for improvement. Going off the rankings, it does look like we have a good shot at either at 14, we just might not have a choice of which (though it'd be nice if someone takes Shanahan and Trainor)

You'd think Richmond would be looking for a variety of players, so they'll surely grab a KPP or two which might cause other clubs to reach.

This same theory has me worried Richmond will take Berry with one of our picks. Although I do like the look of Hannaford.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

You'd think Richmond would be looking for a variety of players, so they'll surely grab a KPP or two which might cause other clubs to reach.

This same theory has me worried Richmond will take Berry with one of our picks. Although I do like the look of Hannaford.

I also assume Richmond will move up to 2 and/or trade a pick into next year. It's just too many picks and kids at once

 

[theGav56]

This same theory has me worried Richmond will take Berry with one of our picks. Although I do like the look of Hannaford.

So all's good, right? Throw those worries away.

 

[Joao]

Small forward and running defender are still the area's with the least amount of depth IMO and room for improvement. Going off the rankings, it does look like we have a good shot at either at 14, we just might not have a choice of which (though it'd be nice if someone takes Shanahan and Trainor)

Trainor is one we might be able to extract value for from another club if he makes it to 14. Perfect chance to get that free F2 to drop back a couple of places given he's of no use whatsoever to us. Possibly Shanahan too.

 

[go_the_dockers]

I've reflected on my desire for a small forward. If we get one, they are taking Sturt's place (eventually). Not sure how I feel about that.

Maybe an outside mid or HB upgrade for Wagner is more suitable?

I have them taking Frederick or Swittas spot.

Either way it increases competition which can only help

 

[TheMcManusNose]

I have them taking Frederick or Swittas spot.

Either way it increases competition which can only help

Yep Switta not the youngest player on the list either and breaks easy.

Bolton is probably a bit more up on the flank and in the middle than your traditional small too, be good to have someone to rotate with that.

 

[Dayts]

Watching the Lindsay clips on YouTube and he reminds me of Jake LLLLyod, with a bit of Gaff. Just running to open space and taking short safe kicks. Not damaging, not taking ground, clean footy. Borrrrrring!
The list is in good shape now. Have a go at some X factor. If Berrys gone like to see Hynes or Hannaford at *14

 

[DockerDerek]

Hannaford looks like he has a bit of Ballas about him.

Would actually prefer him to Berry from what I’ve seen in the highlights.

 

[Jezzitizle]

Thank ****. Everyone remember this so you can post it all over the site in every phantom draft. Although, I do think its now West Coast everyone will send him to.

About 1 after us hey?

When he says it like that it sounds like a blatant media talking point (which it kinda is), but it appears to be true. The average ranking spikes right in btwn Joe Berry and Jobe Shanahan funnily enough.

Listen to the interview, I don’t think Walls is spinning anything, their key objective was to get Bolton and that’s rightly what they did. He didn’t say we would definitely use the pick, and it depended on who was available come draft night.

FWIW, Matt Clark (who absolutely has cause to spin) said something similar, picks in that range are like a pick 7/8 most years.

Seems in line with a pretty consistent theme from most recruiters. We of course won’t know for 5-6 years, but what Walls said is quite credible.