List Mgmt. 2024 Young Talent Time (Drafting)

[Snuffaluphagus]

 

[malpaso]

Nah, I get this. People arguing it doesnt matter in trades are flat out wrong IMO and like you, I've had this discussion ad nauseum. To prove mine (and your) point, David Walls literally said on radio they wanted a future pick knowing how far the Pies pick will fall for Schultz. So that's from a list managers mouth (after a trade is done, so less bullshit).

Once trade period is over though, yes, doesnt matter anymore, those players basically dont exist. Interestingly, I can see a situation if the new bid points is actually effective where they are still counted.

Well yeah when your talking about it in relation to Trade Period however I'm not refering to that, thought that would be obvious. I'm just specifically talking about the statements "It was pick 14, it's not fallen to pick 17 in the first round" with no context.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Richmond signed Bolton long term because it was in their best interests.

We signed Brodie to a long term deal, doesn't mean we wouldn't happily trade him.

Best interests are a fluid thing.

But the world where we think trading away any of them 3 is in our best interests is practically inconceivable. Just coz we can find a few exceptions every year where long-term signed players are traded away doesn't mean we go silly and treat every player signed long-term as a flight risk, especially when 2 of those 3 are from WA.

If there's gonna be a case for getting a KPF with a decently high pick, it'd be either "he's so clearly best available that we have to do it" or "Luke Jackson is gonna start unicorning real soon, so we need another fwd". But right now, especially with the fact that we're probably gonna add Joshua Nomlatyu in 2025, the idea of using 1 of our top 2 picks on a KPF feels questionable.

To a certain extent, I think people are looking at the 2024 list numbers, going "well 3 KPFs left", and concluding that we therefore need replacements. We were heavily overstocked in that department, and now the numbers at WAFL level in particular look about right. Darcy and Triple J as the AFL starters, Voss, Reidy, Knobel and Jones as the 2nd unit. Another wouldn't be a disaster, but would likely either play WAFL Reserves next year or push 1 of them 4 into WAFL Reserves.

 

[Purple Suit]

But the world where we think trading away any of them 3 is in our best interests is practically inconceivable. Just coz we can find a few exceptions every year where long-term signed players are traded away doesn't mean we go silly and treat every player signed long-term as a flight risk, especially when 2 of those 3 are from WA.

If there's gonna be a case for getting a KPF with a decently high pick, it'd be either "he's so clearly best available that we have to do it" or "Luke Jackson is gonna start unicorning real soon, so we need another fwd". But right now, especially with the fact that we're probably gonna add Joshua Nomlatyu in 2025, the idea of using 1 of our top 2 picks on a KPF feels questionable.

To a certain extent, I think people are looking at the 2024 list numbers, going "well 3 KPFs left", and concluding that we therefore need replacements. We were heavily overstocked in that department, and now the numbers at WAFL level in particular look about right. Darcy and Triple J as the AFL starters, Voss, Reidy, Knobel and Jones as the 2nd unit. Another wouldn't be a disaster, but would likely either play WAFL Reserves next year or push 1 of them 4 into WAFL Reserves.

We have Voss, the other three are rucks. Jones maybe 50/50 but I haven’t seen much of him.

We need a developing KPF this draft or we are playing Cox as a forward / going with 2 talls & Sturt at times.

We could easily use our 3rd pick for this but if Gerreyn is best available by a margin, just grab him. I am also assuming he has AFL KPF traits (not ruck) & character. Grab the small forward or HBF that we didn’t tick the box with the 3rd pick.

Pick 30 isn’t a huge investment that is going to ruin us if it doesn’t pan out or he leaves due to opportunity in 4 years time. We used 33 on Davies as an example.

 

[theGav56]

But the world where we think trading away any of them 3 is in our best interests is practically inconceivable. Just coz we can find a few exceptions every year where long-term signed players are traded away doesn't mean we go silly and treat every player signed long-term as a flight risk, especially when 2 of those 3 are from WA.

If there's gonna be a case for getting a KPF with a decently high pick, it'd be either "he's so clearly best available that we have to do it" or "Luke Jackson is gonna start unicorning real soon, so we need another fwd". But right now, especially with the fact that we're probably gonna add Joshua Nomlatyu in 2025, the idea of using 1 of our top 2 picks on a KPF feels questionable.

To a certain extent, I think people are looking at the 2024 list numbers, going "well 3 KPFs left", and concluding that we therefore need replacements. We were heavily overstocked in that department, and now the numbers at WAFL level in particular look about right. Darcy and Triple J as the AFL starters, Voss, Reidy, Knobel and Jones as the 2nd unit. Another wouldn't be a disaster, but would likely either play WAFL Reserves next year or push 1 of them 4 into WAFL Reserves.

You don't think trading Brodie would be in our best interests?

You think Bolton wasn't a player they couldn't conceive of trading?

It happens. Much of what it takes is a player saying 'I want to be traded'. Oh, and also, 'homesick'.

The rest is negotiating the price.

 

[theGav56]

But the world where we think trading away any of them 3 is in our best interests is practically inconceivable. Just coz we can find a few exceptions every year where long-term signed players are traded away doesn't mean we go silly and treat every player signed long-term as a flight risk, especially when 2 of those 3 are from WA.

If there's gonna be a case for getting a KPF with a decently high pick, it'd be either "he's so clearly best available that we have to do it" or "Luke Jackson is gonna start unicorning real soon, so we need another fwd". But right now, especially with the fact that we're probably gonna add Joshua Nomlatyu in 2025, the idea of using 1 of our top 2 picks on a KPF feels questionable.

To a certain extent, I think people are looking at the 2024 list numbers, going "well 3 KPFs left", and concluding that we therefore need replacements. We were heavily overstocked in that department, and now the numbers at WAFL level in particular look about right. Darcy and Triple J as the AFL starters, Voss, Reidy, Knobel and Jones as the 2nd unit. Another wouldn't be a disaster, but would likely either play WAFL Reserves next year or push 1 of them 4 into WAFL Reserves.

The end of last season being a debacle was in large degree the result of Treacy, Darcy and Pearce being injured.

Those injuries all impacted our KPF situation.

• Treacy very directly, but also we lost his handy ability to do some ruckwork in support of Jackson
• Darcy cost us big time with Jackson unavailable as a forward. Darcy is an important part of our machine, but I think he is also our weakest link because his injuries shackle our forward line
• Pearce injured meant that our only plausible swingman, Cox, was not an option (I concede this would not have improved us a lot as his form/condition was limited).

Any of Corbett, Kuek or MacDonald would have got games if available. Taberner got a game and it was a clear act of desperation.

 

[freo_leo29]

The end of last season being a debacle was in large degree the result of Treacy, Darcy and Pearce being injured.

Those injuries all impacted our KPF situation.

• Treacy very directly, but also we lost his handy ability to do some ruckwork in support of Jackson
• Darcy cost us big time with Jackson unavailable as a forward. Darcy is an important part of our machine, but I think he is also our weakest link because his injuries shackle our forward line
• Pearce injured meant that our only plausible swingman, Cox, was not an option (I concede this would not have improved us a lot as his form/condition was limited).

Any of Corbett, Kuek or MacDonald would have got games if available. Taberner got a game and it was a clear act of desperation.

You're missing the obvious part, the player we pick won't be ready for years and if he is any good then he will move on because we don't have a b22 spot for them, I'm not exactly stoked on wasting a first or 2nd round pick on developing someone who will likely leave.


We already have Voss and Jones developing in a KPF role


I won't be mad if the player is clearly better than any other selections at that point in the draft but if they aren't then we should go for needs and impact now.

 

[Dockernut]

You're missing the obvious part, the player we pick won't be ready for years and if he is any good then he will move on because we don't have a b22 spot for them, I'm not exactly stoked on wasting a first or 2nd round pick on developing someone who will likely leave.


We already have Voss and Jones developing in a KPF role


I won't be mad if the player is clearly better than any other selections at that point in the draft but if they aren't then we should go for needs and impact now.

No, I think it’s you who is consistently missing the point that adding a KPF talent via the draft doesn’t disturb our current KPF set up, doesn’t impact the progression of two developing forwards (one might argue it drives them) and isn’t a “waste” on a “player who is likely to leave”, it’s a mere balancing of the list to select a kid in a position where we’ve just delisted three players. Pretty obvious.