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Does the DQ cover the sprint race as well?
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It would be so Ferrari to have both their cars disqualified for different reasons.
Them, plus Gasly, cannot really be argued.
Them, plus Gasly, cannot really be argued.
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This means Ocon of all drivers gets P5.
Deserved I think, Haas did very well today.
Deserved I think, Haas did very well today.
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Chinese Grand Prix: Ferrari's Lewis Hamilton and Charles Leclerc, plus Alpine's Pierre Gasly, disqualified
Lewis Hamilton is disqualified from the Chinese Grand Prix for a technical infringement on his Ferrari.
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They're allowed to replace damaged parts with identical parts before the weigh in. LeClerc wasn't underweight because of the missing end plate.
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No.
It only covers the event for which the car subsequently failed scrutineering.
BTW, post-hearing Ferrari have confirmed the measurement discrepancies are correct, acknowledged that there were no mitigating circumstances and that it was a genuine error by the team.
Worth reading the full summary of events leading to the three DQs here:
Hamilton disqualified from Chinese GP
Lewis Hamilton has been disqualified from the Chinese Grand Prix after the rear skid block on his Ferrari was found to be under the minimum thickness required in the technical regulations, meaning that both of the team’s drivers have lost their results given that Charles Leclerc has also been...
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Leclerc and Gasly disqualified from Chinese Grand Prix
Charles Leclerc and Pierre Gasly have both been disqualified from the Chinese Grand Prix after their respective Ferrari and Alpine cars were found to be underweight in post-race checks.
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Interesting...No.
It only covers the event for which the car subsequently failed scrutineering.
BTW, post-hearing Ferrari have confirmed the measurement discrepancies are correct, acknowledged that there were no mitigating circumstances and that it was a genuine error by the team.
Worth reading the full summary of events leading to the three DQs here:
Hamilton disqualified from Chinese GP
Lewis Hamilton has been disqualified from the Chinese Grand Prix after the rear skid block on his Ferrari was found to be under the minimum thickness required in the technical regulations, meaning that both of the team’s drivers have lost their results given that Charles Leclerc has also been...www.formula1.com
Leclerc and Gasly disqualified from Chinese Grand Prix
Charles Leclerc and Pierre Gasly have both been disqualified from the Chinese Grand Prix after their respective Ferrari and Alpine cars were found to be underweight in post-race checks.www.formula1.com
LeClerc's car weight in at exactly 800kg, with the damaged end plate. It was subsequently re-weighed with the broken end plate, and with a replacement front wing, coming in at 800.5kg. This then dropped to 799kg once the remaining fuel was drained.
The same thing happened with Gasly - it weighed in at 800kg, dropping to 799kg after the fuel was drained.
The question is why the cars were light in the first place? I also have to think that the teams run things really close with the amount of fuel they put in the cars at the start, if they're finishing with < 2L in the tank.
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Ferrari are apparently blaming excessive tyre wear, after unexpectedly switching to a 1-stop strategy, for LeClerc's car coming in underweight. This is not dissimilar to what happened with George Russell at Spa.
Mind you, there were only 3 drivers who DIDN'T go with the 1-stop strategy - so why were Ferrari & Alpine the only teams caught out? Pasta Guns at the ready!
Mind you, there were only 3 drivers who DIDN'T go with the 1-stop strategy - so why were Ferrari & Alpine the only teams caught out? Pasta Guns at the ready!
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Norris also managed his pace because they were concerned about fuel use and tyre wear per team radio at about lap 25 iirc.
Translated, I think this means teams went in with a couple kilos less fuel than they needed for 2 hours at full pace because they expected a safety car or rain or something to save them some fuel and tyre wear somewhere along the way. Possibly the commentary team mentioned it around then too, I’m not 100% sure.
When they didn’t get an interruption probably lots of them were borderline, these three ended up being too borderline and got dsq.
Not super familiar with the layout of this track, but we’ve seen it before at other races where they didn’t get a cool down lap due to lap length and the position of the pit lane, which meant no opportunity to pick up the marbles and caused some disqualifications due to being underweight.
Translated, I think this means teams went in with a couple kilos less fuel than they needed for 2 hours at full pace because they expected a safety car or rain or something to save them some fuel and tyre wear somewhere along the way. Possibly the commentary team mentioned it around then too, I’m not 100% sure.
When they didn’t get an interruption probably lots of them were borderline, these three ended up being too borderline and got dsq.
Not super familiar with the layout of this track, but we’ve seen it before at other races where they didn’t get a cool down lap due to lap length and the position of the pit lane, which meant no opportunity to pick up the marbles and caused some disqualifications due to being underweight.
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I did see a couple of cars (including Oscar) go off track on the in-lap on the straight, presumably to collect some rubber or even dirt. Perhaps quite a few teams were worried about weight.
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Except for Bearman and his Ciao... Never liked rich kids, especially from Britain, they are so arrogant. Like well done mate you passed a bunch of cars on mediums when they were on old hards
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id take Bernie all day every day over Danica and her BSBernie Collins should do a sleeping app for insomniacs, her voice is so, so sleepy
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OK... 2 problems with this:
- The cars need to be 800kg after the fuel has been drained. Yes, they needed to make sure they had enough fuel to get to the end of the race, and needed to have at least 1kg of fuel still in the tank for scrutineering, but the amount of fuel left in the tank does not affect whether they're over or under the weight limit.
- Unlike Spa, the drivers did do a cooldown lap, so they did have time to collect marbles on their tyres. This played a part in George Russell's car coming in underweight last year, it's not an excuse for LeClerc or Gasly.
The commentators definitely mentioned it. The drivers needed to watch their fuel for 2 reasons - they needed enough to get to the finish line, and they also need to have at least 1kg left in the tank for scrutineering. However, the car's final weight is taken after the fuel has been drained, so fuel saving (or lack thereof) can't be the difference between a car being overweight or underweight.
They referenced Vettel's DQ, which was for not having 1kg of fuel left in the tank at the finish of the race, as is required for scrutineering.
absolutely, Danica is awful. Don't mind Bernie at all, just her voice is so soft, slow, monotonous... zzzzzzzzzz
It's that Irish lilt in her voice.
The drivers I feel sorry for are Tsunoda & Hadjar, who were royally screwed over by their team strategy - and engineering, in the case of Tsunoda.
Both Tsunoda & Hadjar qualified in the top-10, and were running comfortably in the top-10 for the first half of the race. Tsunoda finished stone motherless, and Hadjar 11th (after the DQed drivers are removed), none of which was the drivers' fault.
Both cars were pitted for a 2nd set of new tyres, 2 of only 3 drivers to do so - along with Hamilton (who was subsequently DQed for other reasons). The tyre degradation was nowhere near as bad as they were expecting, so they were unable to make up the time lost in the pits. Then, to compound matters, Tsunoda's front wing broke - not due to him hitting anything, seemingly just breaking due to the aerodynamic load.
Both drivers should have finished in the points, and richly deserved them. In the end, neither scored, and it is 100% due to the ineptitude of their team management.
** Bonus brickbats to the commentary team, who insisted that it was Hadjar's front wing which was broken - despite the broken wing being on the car in front of Doohan. They persisted with this right up to the point where Tsunoda's car was shown entering pit lane to replace the broken wing, while Hadjar continued racing behind Doohan. The initial error was forgiveable - they (quite reasonably) thought it was damage resulting from Hadjar being forced off the track, but they really should have figured it out much quicker than they did.
Both Tsunoda & Hadjar qualified in the top-10, and were running comfortably in the top-10 for the first half of the race. Tsunoda finished stone motherless, and Hadjar 11th (after the DQed drivers are removed), none of which was the drivers' fault.
Both cars were pitted for a 2nd set of new tyres, 2 of only 3 drivers to do so - along with Hamilton (who was subsequently DQed for other reasons). The tyre degradation was nowhere near as bad as they were expecting, so they were unable to make up the time lost in the pits. Then, to compound matters, Tsunoda's front wing broke - not due to him hitting anything, seemingly just breaking due to the aerodynamic load.
Both drivers should have finished in the points, and richly deserved them. In the end, neither scored, and it is 100% due to the ineptitude of their team management.
** Bonus brickbats to the commentary team, who insisted that it was Hadjar's front wing which was broken - despite the broken wing being on the car in front of Doohan. They persisted with this right up to the point where Tsunoda's car was shown entering pit lane to replace the broken wing, while Hadjar continued racing behind Doohan. The initial error was forgiveable - they (quite reasonably) thought it was damage resulting from Hadjar being forced off the track, but they really should have figured it out much quicker than they did.
How far behind Lawson were the Saubers at the end of the race? Actually, how far behind Doohan was Piastri (albeit almost a complete lap ahead)?
The reason I ask is that Doohan's 10 second penalty put him behind both Hadjar & Lawson. Lawson was the last car still on the lead lap when Piastri crossed the finish line, with Piastri somewhere between Lawson & Bortoleto when he crossed the line. I'm wondering if the Saubers were close enough to benefit from the penalty, only to miss out because they'd been lapped by Piastri?
The reason I ask is that Doohan's 10 second penalty put him behind both Hadjar & Lawson. Lawson was the last car still on the lead lap when Piastri crossed the finish line, with Piastri somewhere between Lawson & Bortoleto when he crossed the line. I'm wondering if the Saubers were close enough to benefit from the penalty, only to miss out because they'd been lapped by Piastri?
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What a boring race that ended up becoming. Shame, it's a great track!
Ferrari just continue to be incredible disappointing. To have two cars disqualified for two different reasons is incredible incompetence. Completely takes the shine off the Sprint results.
Ferrari just continue to be incredible disappointing. To have two cars disqualified for two different reasons is incredible incompetence. Completely takes the shine off the Sprint results.
