2025 Ladder Predictions

[timokane]

What about this one:

1. Collingwood (P)
2. GWS (R)
3. Brisbane
4. Freo
5. Port power
6. Western Bulldogs
7. Carlton
8. Sydney

9. Geelong
10. Hawthorn
11. Suns
12. Adl
13. Melbourne
14. North
15. St Kilda
16. Essendon
17. West coast
18. Richmond

Finals:

q1 Collingwood v Freo MCG Pies by 20 points
q2 GWS V Lions Showgrounds GWS by 10 points

e1 Port v Sydney AO port by 3 points
e2 dogs V Carlton marvel carlton by 2 points

semi 1 freo v port optus port by 7 points
semi 2 lions v blues gabba lions by 12 points

prelim 1 pies v lions pies by 16 points mcg
prelim 2 gws v port gws by 9 points showgrounds

grand final

pies v gws mcg pies by 19 points

 

[TheFourPillars]

Hawks putting lots of pressure on Hawks. Will be an interesting year.

How was Newcombe going early when Hoks couldn’t win a chook raffle?

You never shy away from the pressure. Its the only way you do great things.

Didn't start the year well just didn't click as a team.

 

[Trav 20]

Stats are great but they’re used to provide context, using them as the base of your point isn’t really ideal.

Everyone knows how good Oliver is at amassing the ball, winning the ball inside and with his hand skills, but everyone also knows he’s not the most damaging compared to some others.

Hence why looking at someone’s stats without watching games closely isolated it is hard to provide an accurate representation.

My point that’s been missed is that I believe Newcombe is a star level player, I think he hasn’t shown the consistency over an entire year but will, and has shown enough even without the consistency to demonstrate why he is. Which is a subjective opinion of course, but I think the difference is the way people rate players, and their categories. Look at commentators, how many people do they call stars? Hundreds.

Oliver was so ineffectual he's won two coaches awards, only matched by Ablett Jr, 4 Best & Fairests, and 3 All Australians.

Is it mandatory if you follow Hawthorn that you don't have a clue ?

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Oliver was so ineffectual he's won two coaches awards, only matched by Ablett Jr, 4 Best & Fairests, and 3 All Australians.

Is it mandatory if you follow Hawthorn that you don't have a clue ?

Is it mandatory you missed the point?

He’s an incredible player, as was Mitchell, even Priddis even tho some don’t like him, Neale etc.

Neale is a gun for example but it’s well known his damage isn’t high for the possessions amassed. This goes for Clayton too. The point is that they get a high number of disposals but that’s not what makes them good, or not all of it. They’re also brilliant in other aspects, like their hand skills, cleanliness, inside game and for Oliver his ability to use his power and size.

Others like Bont, Petracca even JHF.

Explosive, powerful, strong, use the ball well and damage per possession is high. Atleast capacity wise.

Different types, and Newcombe is in the latter group.

Hence naming the average disposals is marginally irrelevant due to the damage per possession.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Agreed. Whether the Hawks are good or suck in 2025 I'll be tuning in. Some polarizing players but scintillating football, must watch TV whenever they're on.

Good to watch even people don’t like them. Same goes for many other teams.

 

[dylan93]

1. Sydney
2. Brisbane
3. Carlton
4. Fremantle
5. Geelong
6. Collingwood
7. Melbourne
8. Gold Coast
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9. GWS
10. Hawthorn
11. Port Adelaide
12. Western Bulldogs
13. North Melbourne
14. Adelaide
15. Essendon
16. St. Kilda
17. West Coast
18. Richmond

Tier 1: Syd, Bris, Carl: 17-20 wins each
Tier 2: Frem, Geel, Coll, Melb, GC, GWS, Haw, Port, WB: 10-16 wins each
Tier 3: NM, Adel, Ess, STK, WCE: 4-8 wins
Tier 4: RICH: 0-3 wins

Finals:

QF1: SYD vs. FREM
EF1: GEEL vs. GC
EF2: COLL vs. MELB
QF2: BRIS vs. CARL

SF1: SYD vs. GC
SF2: CARL vs. MELB

PF1: FREM vs. CARL
PF2: BRIS vs. SYD

GF: FREM vs. BRIS (toss a coin)

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

Bris
Freo
Geel
Haw
Car
WB
Coll
Ess
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Port
GWS
Adel
GC
Syd
StK
WCE
Mel
North
Rich

Bris v Haw
Freo v Geel
Car v Ess
WB v Coll

Bris v Car
Geel v Coll

Haw v Geel
Freo v Bris

Haw v Freo

 

[Rod Stroker]

Still don't get why so many have Freo in their top 4. I don't see it..

They have a good list, but I don't think it's enough to get them to at least a prelim.

 

[Arr0w]

Still don't get why so many have Freo in their top 4. I don't see it..

They have a good list, but I don't think it's enough to get them to at least a prelim.

Wasn't surprised by their dip, lost a fair bit of experience over the last 2 off seasons

Think they will improve in 2025, fighting for a spot in the 8

 

[Rod Stroker]

Wasn't surprised by their dip, lost a fair bit of experience over the last 2 off seasons

Think they will improve in 2025, fighting for a spot in the 8

Well that was their situation this year... and they lost that fight. I don't see that they'll improve enough to now make it, with just Bolton as their main addition (who wasn't worth 2 first round picks)

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Still don't get why so many have Freo in their top 4. I don't see it..

They have a good list, but I don't think it's enough to get them to at least a prelim.

There are only 4 teams that I see as incapable of making the top 4.

Fremantle are capable all things going well imo... though they are not in my top 4.

 

[hawkman]

Still don't get why so many have Freo in their top 4. I don't see it..

They have a good list, but I don't think it's enough to get them to at least a prelim.

They were top 4 this year until they lost Pearce, Treacy and Darcy all at once

 

[Fadge]

They were top 4 this year until they lost Pearce, Treacy and Darcy all at once

Indeed.

They have as much upside with their young talent - Young, Treacy, Amiss, Johnson, Frederick, Jackson, Walker - as any other team in the competition.

I haven't even included Serong and Brayshaw - they just need to keep doing what they've been doing.

And Bolton in that team could be a game changer.

 

[Rod Stroker]

They were top 4 this year until they lost Pearce, Treacy and Darcy all at once

So they have a depth issue?

After Richmond, Carlton had the most games missed due to injury, but still made finals.

 

[Fadge]

So they have a depth issue?

After Richmond, Carlton had the most games missed due to injury, but still made finals.

Have a good look at how many games were missed by Carlton's top end players - they didn't suffer too much on that front.

And look at how they performed when De Koning missed a chunk of games.

 

[Rod Stroker]

Have a good look at how many games were missed by Carlton's top end players - they didn't suffer too much on that front.

And look at how they performed when De Koning missed a chunk of games.

"Top end players" like Walsh, McKay, Curnow, Weitering, TDK, while not missing a heap of games, all played injured.
And that was in addition to their list having the second most games missed through injury.

 

[Fadge]

"Top end players" like Walsh, McKay, Curnow, Weitering, TDK, while not missing a heap of games, all played injured.
And that was in addition to their list having the second most games missed through injury.

Do you think Carlton are the only team that have players play with injuries?

I think you need to have a much closer look at the injury narrative at Carlton.

 

[Grumpyshades]

They were top 4 this year until they lost Pearce, Treacy and Darcy all at once

surface layer excuse
more to do with club culture and belief

 

[My Tilly]

Toughest top 8 in years.

Adelaide, Fremantle, St Kilda all to improve and push for finals.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Have a good look at how many games were missed by Carlton's top end players - they didn't suffer too much on that front.

And look at how they performed when De Koning missed a chunk of games.

We've heard it all before Fadge. Stop polluting every thread with the same rubbish posts.

The Blues were destroyed by injury in 2024 as were some other teams.

With a better run of luck we'd be better off, that's pretty simple to understand.

 

[RonnieRaven]

Well that was their situation this year... and they lost that fight. I don't see that they'll improve enough to now make it, with just Bolton as their main addition (who wasn't worth 2 first round picks)

Are Roos expecting improvement from their u25 or will they Plato and your only expecting improvement from your trade additions
You take the number 1 key back, key forward and ruck out of any team with such an even comp they will struggle.
We did fine without our CHB Cox for 6 months and won games missing Pearce and Darcy but take 3 out of your 5 big man spine makes it hard for most

 

[Slime Roy]

Leave Adelaide out of the 8 at your own peril.
We keep receipts & We'll bash ya up even harder

 

[Gavin Excell]

Are Roos expecting improvement from their u25 or will they Plato and your only expecting improvement from your trade additions
You take the number 1 key back, key forward and ruck out of any team with such an even comp they will struggle.
We did fine without our CHB Cox for 6 months and won games missing Pearce and Darcy but take 3 out of your 5 big man spine makes it hard for most

Will they Plato?
Yes i can see them taking on Greek philosophical thinking with a Modernist lens

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I was waiting for that.

 

[Seattle Mariners]

Carlton
Hawthorn
GWS
Sydney
Fremantle
Brisbane
Port Adelaide
Western
Adelaide
Geelong
Gold Coast
Collingwood
St Kilda
Melbourne
Essendon
West Coast
North Melbourne
Richmond

Kudos for a poster being honest with their own team rather than picking them 5-10 spots higher than they should.