2025 Ladder Predictions

[WalshistheGOAT]

IF Bont or Petracca had stat lines of

29 disposals @ 82% DE
13 contested
8.5 clearances (5 CL)
1 goal a game
1.6 goal assists
9.2 score involvements

28 coaches votes over 5 games

In half those games he was vsing traffic cones. When he produces this sort of stuff over a whole season he'll be held in awe like players like Bont, Petracca, Cripps, Neale etc are. For now he's just not in that category for mine.

 

[Saints4ever]

Brisbane
Carlton
Western Bulldogs
Sydney
Fremantle
Greater Western Sydney
St Kilda
Collingwood

Hawthorn
Geelong
Port Adelaide
Gold Coast
Adelaide
Melbourne
Essendon
North Melbourne
West Coast Eagles
Richmond

I’m very comfortable with my top 6.
I’m very comfortable with my bottom 4.
7 to 14 you can raffle and I could easily argue that my 9 to 14 predictions could make the 8.

Going to be an exciting 2025.

Bring it on.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

In half those games he was vsing traffic cones. When he produces this sort of stuff over a whole season he'll be held in awe like players like Bont, Petracca, Cripps, Neale etc are. For now he's just not in that category for mine.

Again, IF either had those run of games it’d be how much of a Brownlow favourite they are. You're missing the point entirely. No one can probably get that level over a season bar the very best in the very best seasons, ala Ablett, in terms of ball winning, score board impact and quality.

Acting as if he is so far off that is odd, and the fact the point has been made that a team of stars will never beat a star team when it matters. Look at the Hawthorn three peat. A lot of very good players, even stars, but the stars often took lesser roles that made the team better, instead of individual brilliance.

Look at Michael Jordan’s 80s stat lines and dominance and then his change when they started winning in the 90s. Selfish v selfless basketball, same goes for football.

 

[Freomaniac]

I agree with you. Melbourne will have a shit year next year, and it will take a miracle for them to play finals. No issues there. The hunger well and truly wore off this year, and it was plain for all to see.

I also think Freo will miss the finals. All talk about their talent but have done deadly squat under Longmuir aside from an impressive 2022 against the odds.

Sure, many people will cut them some slack for missing 4 best 22 players in the final month of 2024, but I don’t see anyone cutting Carlton some slack for missing 8-10 of their best players in their final month.

The narrative seems to be:
1) Freo missed finals because of injuries.
2) Carlton missed finals because they imploded under Voss.

I could be wildly of the mark, and Freo end up minor premiers, but they just seem untrustworthy to go the distance of a season.

I sadly agree with this.

Dockers making finals in 2022 seems like a one off or an aberation

 

[bradfisher14]

Look at Michael Jordan’s 80s stat lines and dominance and then his change when they started winning in the 90s. Selfish v selfless basketball, same goes for football.

 

[Trav 20]

Taking into account the form of the side earlier in the year is worth noting. Still polling 24 votes and being top 10/top 20 for coaches votes and Brownlow votes aswell as AA40 in 2023 is clear he’s not just a good player and is more, watch him and you’ll realise he’s not just a “disposal merchant” odd observation.

He will get better and even without consistency he is still performing to a very high level. Doing it especially at the golden part of the season.

I didn't say he was just a disposal merchant, I said he was a ''25'' disposal merchant. I was being generous, as he's under 25. My point being he's 20% off the best mids with his accumulation.

You'd do well to compare Newcombe's 2024 with a 20 year old Clayton Oliver in 2018.

Oliver played the same amount of games, yet amassed 115 more disposals (nearly 20%), 55 more tackles (50%), more inside 50s, 17 more clearances, a whopping 117 more contested possessions, 52 more effective disposals, 22 more score involvements, one more goal, more metres gained, and the same amount of goal assists. And if you're interested in AFL Fantasy points he averaged 107 to Newcombe's 88 (Supercoach 113 to 101).

A 20 year old Clayton Oliver was vastly superior to your ''star''.

 

[matey]

For those that don’t know much about Hawthorn and its midfield group/structure ……. the coach on a few occasions has publicly said that we don’t want to see or rely on one or two mids getting it 30 times every week. We look for, would much prefer having 6-10 players getting it in the low 20’s. Some of our half forwards are running 10km+ each game.

Take out the impact of Bont/Petracca/Neale/Cripps in their respective sides you’re already well on the way in winning the midfield battle!

 

[TheFourPillars]

For those that don’t know much about Hawthorn and its midfield group/structure ……. the coach on a few occasions has publicly said that we don’t want to see or rely on one or two mids getting it 30 times every week. We look for, would much prefer having 6-10 players getting it in the low 20’s. Some of our half forwards are running 10km+ each game.

Take out the impact of Bont/Petracca/Neale/Cripps in their respective sides you’re already well on the way in winning the midfield battle!

It's like when Franklin left. An absolute superstar of the game it made us much more dangerous and even harder to stop. We scored at will with the so-called loss of our superstar with the also rans (very good players) picking up the slack

 

[Trav 20]

For those that don’t know much about Hawthorn and its midfield group/structure ……. the coach on a few occasions has publicly said that we don’t want to see or rely on one or two mids getting it 30 times every week. We look for, would much prefer having 6-10 players getting it in the low 20’s. Some of our half forwards are running 10km+ each game.

Take out the impact of Bont/Petracca/Neale/Cripps in their respective sides you’re already well on the way in winning the midfield battle!

I'd say that too if I lacked a superstar mid.

 

[Blackhawk42]

I'd say that too if I lacked a superstar mid.

Interested to see how Melbourne go without one next season, since the other two are missing a kidney and their marbles respectively.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

I didn't say he was just a disposal merchant, I said he was a ''25'' disposal merchant. I was being generous, as he's under 25. My point being he's 20% off the best mids with his accumulation.

You'd do well to compare Newcombe's 2024 with a 20 year old Clayton Oliver in 2018.

Oliver played the same amount of games, yet amassed 115 more disposals (nearly 20%), 55 more tackles (50%), more inside 50s, 17 more clearances, a whopping 117 more contested possessions, 52 more effective disposals, 22 more score involvements, one more goal, more metres gained, and the same amount of goal assists. And if you're interested in AFL Fantasy points he averaged 107 to Newcombe's 88 (Supercoach 113 to 101).

A 20 year old Clayton Oliver was vastly superior to your ''star''.

Stats are great but they’re used to provide context, using them as the base of your point isn’t really ideal.

Everyone knows how good Oliver is at amassing the ball, winning the ball inside and with his hand skills, but everyone also knows he’s not the most damaging compared to some others.

Hence why looking at someone’s stats without watching games closely isolated it is hard to provide an accurate representation.

My point that’s been missed is that I believe Newcombe is a star level player, I think he hasn’t shown the consistency over an entire year but will, and has shown enough even without the consistency to demonstrate why he is. Which is a subjective opinion of course, but I think the difference is the way people rate players, and their categories. Look at commentators, how many people do they call stars? Hundreds.

 

[Joao]

Expecting Bevo to come out in the press before the season and say he hopes Bont doesn't get 30 each week because he wants Vandermeer getting those extra touches.

 

[Mr Meow]

I think thats the point he's making though. When was the last time a team won a flag with one of the 'better players in the comp' leading the midfield rather than genuine star talents?

If Newcombe is ur best midfielder I'm not sure I see the Hawks competing for the flag, think they'll be quite strong next year but coming up against the likes of Bris, Freo, Port, Carlton, Collingwood, GWS etc are they going to be able to match it with their star midfielders? Not as convinced.

They also had an insanely soft run in the 2nd half of the season and momentum played a big part. Much more difficult draw this season.

2022, Geelong with Cam Guthrie (BnF), he had a great season but wasn't a superstar.

2023 Collingwood's was like JDG or old man Pendles, given Daicos was still playing half back a lot.

These midfields didn't have All Australians and Newcombe could be All Australian in 2025.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Stats are great but they’re used to provide context, using them as the base of your point isn’t really ideal.

Everyone knows how good Oliver is at amassing the ball, winning the ball inside and with his hand skills, but everyone also knows he’s not the most damaging compared to some others.

Hence why looking at someone’s stats without watching games closely isolated it is hard to provide an accurate representation.

My point that’s been missed is that I believe Newcombe is a star level player, I think he hasn’t shown the consistency over an entire year but will, and has shown enough even without the consistency to demonstrate why he is. Which is a subjective opinion of course, but I think the difference is the way people rate players, and their categories. Look at commentators, how many people do they call stars? Hundreds.

Stop replying to him. You’re not going to convince him or the Carlton plonker and it’s just stinking up the thread.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Stop replying to him. You’re not going to convince him or the Carlton plonker and it’s just stinking up the thread.

Personal insults from a mod... Lol.

 

[CCurnow3votes]

1. Carlton - too good!
2. Fremantle - too close, no cigar.
3. GWS - too vanilla.
4. Brisbane - too reliant on Joey.
5. Collywobs - too oooooold!
6. Swannies - too damaged.
7. Hawthorn - too cocky.
8. Doggies - too flakey.
9. Geelong - too far to drive.
10. Melbourne - too many cheese boards.
11. Port - too Kentish.
12. St Kilda - too many Carton rejects.
13. Essendon - too much o’ nothing.
14. Goldy - too soft.
15. Adelaide - too many pie-floaters.
16. North - too young.
17. West Coast - too many holes.
18. Richmond - too funny.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Stop replying to him. You’re not going to convince him or the Carlton plonker and it’s just stinking up the thread.

Fair enough.

Personal insults from a mod... Lol.

Isn’t he just a board mod?

Anyway it doesn’t matter because 2025 is a new season and it’ll be interesting nonetheless, 2024 was one of the tightest seasons in a while.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Fair enough.

Isn’t he just a board mod?

Anyway it doesn’t matter because 2025 is a new season and it’ll be interesting nonetheless, 2024 was one of the tightest seasons in a while.

Agreed. Whether the Hawks are good or suck in 2025 I'll be tuning in. Some polarizing players but scintillating football, must watch TV whenever they're on.

 

[MadMundy]

1. Fremantle














18. West Coast

There you go, those are the only positions that matter.

 

[Grumpyshades]

1. Fremantle














18. West Coast

There you go, those are the only positions that matter.

rent free

 

[Mags98]

rent free

durrrrrr

 

[MadMundy]

rent free

Can't handle a bit of banter?

 

[Grumpyshades]

Can't handle a bit of banter?

I could ask the same question

 

[MadMundy]

I could ask the same question

It's all good man, all in good fun.

 

[The Jack]

Hawks putting lots of pressure on Hawks. Will be an interesting year.

How was Newcombe going early when Hoks couldn’t win a chook raffle?