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[Joao]

Over how many years?

At least 7.

Oh I agree I think he’ll sign too. But why wouldn’t he get something close to what he’s worth? I don’t see guys like Bolton, Jackson, Darcy, Fyfe up to last year, leaving big $$ on the table. Why should someone like Andy carry the can for them all?


Thats ludicrous. Even over 6 years, that’s still over $400k per annum.
Also if he was going to do that (which he’s not) he would have extended 12 months ago. He’s hardly dragging it out till the last year of his contract only to accept massive unders in any case.

Mitch Cleary was taking about this on his podcast one day last year. Someone called in with a question about players taking massive unders for team success. He basically said it’s hugely overstated and cited Geelong as an example, reckoned a few guys may have given up $50 or 70k per annum at times maybe.

All these lads have professional agents representing them and they aren’t foolish enough to do a Scottie Pippen nowadays.

This is completely at odds about other reporting about numerous players, usually ones courted by North or Saints.

In any event, if you don't think Andy would do it, you've probably never known someone like him. Those people don't operate the way 99.99% of the population do.

 

[DQ 4EVER]

Oh I agree I think he’ll sign too. But why wouldn’t he get something close to what he’s worth? I don’t see guys like Bolton, Jackson, Darcy, Fyfe up to last year, leaving big $$ on the table. Why should someone like Andy carry the can for them all?


Thats ludicrous. Even over 6 years, that’s still over $400k per annum.
Also if he was going to do that (which he’s not) he would have extended 12 months ago. He’s hardly dragging it out till the last year of his contract only to accept massive unders in any case.

Mitch Cleary was taking about this on his podcast one day last year. Someone called in with a question about players taking massive unders for team success. He basically said it’s hugely overstated and cited Geelong as an example, reckoned a few guys may have given up $50 or 70k per annum at times maybe.

All these lads have professional agents representing them and they aren’t foolish enough to do a Scottie Pippen nowadays.

So how come cellar dwellers like North struggle to attract bona fide stars?

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[King Huskii]

So how come cellar dwellers like North struggle to attract bona fide stars?

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Minow clubs

 

[more_of_bito]

I do wonder if he will regret leaving if we get Pickett to go with Bolton

Reckon he’s regretted leaving already

 

[Dockeroo]

At least 7.


This is completely at odds about other reporting about numerous players, usually ones courted by North or Saints.

In any event, if you don't think Andy would do it, you've probably never known someone like him. Those people don't operate the way 99.99% of the population do.

So how come cellar dwellers like North struggle to attract bona fide stars?

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Slightly different scenarios there.
Normally the players who are reported to turn down a move to teams like north actually want to leave their existing clubs.
Dan Houston is a good example. Reportedly north were offering him more than Collingwood. It was never actually stated how much more though and I highly doubt it was $400k per annum.
Regardless however he’d made up his mind to leave Port no matter what, for what ever reason.
When it comes to a player leaving and picking a new club, they will often take less money to play for the glamour club in Melbourne.

Others use minnow clubs to leverage better pay from their own clubs. Andrew Gaff and Dustin Martin did this very effectively in the past wii oh th North and GWS.

Also the 6 or 7 year deal thing is a factor to consider. Andy is very likely not going to be still worth $1.3 m a year or whatever it is, aged 32 to 34 for example. But if the club includes those two or three years in the original deal at a projected value of $400 or $500k a season (like Fyfe and Sonny now aged 32, a good example) it dilutes the overall cost of the deal over 7 or 8 years. But of risk for freo if he breaks down of course, but flexibility to move money across several years too.

The highest value years are the next few years for all these guys. Ages 26-30.

However the biggest clue he’s not taking massive unders is that he hasn’t signed yet and it’s the final year of the contract. Why wouldn’t he just have signed 12 months ago if what you guys suggest is true?

If Harry Perryman is really worth $950k per annum god only know what a player like Andy is worth. Significantly more without a doubt.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Reckon he’s regretted leaving already

 

[Freo Shark]

Reckon he’s regretted leaving already

I dont think it was a footy decision but a social, lifestyle one.

 

[Vimal Anand]

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[FreoBraddles]

Fremantle star Andy Brayshaw is still “working through” a new contract with the club, according to close friend and teammate Caleb Serong.

But Serong joked he has been pestering Brayshaw every day about becoming the latest big name to commit to the club.

Brayshaw will be one of the game’s highest-profile free agents if he remains unsigned later this year, but he did reveal in October he was “very happy” at the club and said progress had been made on a new deal, despite rival interest from Victoria.

The Dockers already have midfielder Hayden Young signed on the league’s longest contract, until 2033, Brennan Cox, Josh Treacy and Sean Darcy until 2030 and new recruit Shai Bolton until 2029.

Serong says Brayshaw is still as intent as anyone on bringing the rising club its maiden premiership.

“Hopefully he can follow Youngy’s suit and sign long-term and that would be great.

“I know he loves being around the club and he is as committed as anyone to bring the club its first premiership.”

Brayshaw said in October he hoped a deal could be done soon.

“I had a chat with my manager not too long ago and he’s in talks with the footy club, so hopefully it gets done soon,” he told 7NEWS.

It comes after The West Australian revealed the Dockers are in the box seat to land homesick Melbourne forward Kysaiah Pickett, while they have also been linked to Sydney midfielder Chad Warner.

 

[Purple Suit]

Slightly different scenarios there.
Normally the players who are reported to turn down a move to teams like north actually want to leave their existing clubs.
Dan Houston is a good example. Reportedly north were offering him more than Collingwood. It was never actually stated how much more though and I highly doubt it was $400k per annum.
Regardless however he’d made up his mind to leave Port no matter what, for what ever reason.
When it comes to a player leaving and picking a new club, they will often take less money to play for the glamour club in Melbourne.

Others use minnow clubs to leverage better pay from their own clubs. Andrew Gaff and Dustin Martin did this very effectively in the past wii oh th North and GWS.

Also the 6 or 7 year deal thing is a factor to consider. Andy is very likely not going to be still worth $1.3 m a year or whatever it is, aged 32 to 34 for example. But if the club includes those two or three years in the original deal at a projected value of $400 or $500k a season (like Fyfe and Sonny now aged 32, a good example) it dilutes the overall cost of the deal over 7 or 8 years. But of risk for freo if he breaks down of course, but flexibility to move money across several years too.

The highest value years are the next few years for all these guys. Ages 26-30.

However the biggest clue he’s not taking massive unders is that he hasn’t signed yet and it’s the final year of the contract. Why wouldn’t he just have signed 12 months ago if what you guys suggest is true?

If Harry Perryman is really worth $950k per annum god only know what a player like Andy is worth. Significantly more without a doubt.

Andy is not like this though. Thankfully life is not all about money to everybody and as you get older it really matters less, even if you have a lot or opportunity to make a lot more. Earning in the realms of a gun AFL footballer is already huge and the difference between 800K to 1.3m pa isn't going to change that much. Do you think Mundy is in a different life position to Fyfe?

He's probably arguing over taking less or just wants to get the longest contract out of everybody since he's so committed and Young's deal has left the club trying to figure out how they can offer him less than 10 years, even if the cash is at a lot less than he's worth.

 

[Halfbaked]

It's also possible that the parties are just ironing out the final details like bonus payments for AA, bnf etc. There seems to be a general consensus in the industry that he's signing, it's only Freo fans with PTSD that have any concern

Absolutely, just working how much the ABN Group can discount his new investment portfolio.

 

[kuhni]

Sign them to long contracts and overpay them in 7-8 years time when we will probably be in need of starting a list refresh

 

[Dockeroo]

Andy is not like this though. Thankfully life is not all about money to everybody and as you get older it really matters less, even if you have a lot or opportunity to make a lot more. Earning in the realms of a gun AFL footballer is already huge and the difference between 800K to 1.3m pa isn't going to change that much. Do you think Mundy is in a different life position to Fyfe?

He's probably arguing over taking less or just wants to get the longest contract out of everybody since he's so committed and Young's deal has left the club trying to figure out how they can offer him less than 10 years, even if the cash is at a lot less than he's worth.

Disagree with this post in general but in particular the bolded part.
It’s good money but it’s not life changing money. All AFL players have to work in something else post footy. Its a short career relatively speaking.

In fact Andy would be more aware than most of the fleeting nature of a pro footy career given what his own brother experienced.
As for Fyfe and Mundy - Fyfe was paid significantly more because he was a much superior player to Mundy.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

He’d have PTSD - same innuendo happened for Hogan and then Jackson.

Probably already future planning who we will poach after Kozzie dons the purple.

Rivers next please. Keep em coming Melboune

 

[Piggy Smalls]

I really dont doubt he is genuinely interested in joining but if you had some Vic knob saying "Serong will be in Carlton colours next year barring it falling apart", you'd be triggered. It's extreme knobbery to put out an article saying a 2 year contracted player is 100% moving clubs... in Jan.

I'm asking myself what The West's motivation is for publishing this, and it ain't Freo's best interests.
Creates friction between Melbourne/Pickett and Fremantle, and gives West Coast supporters hope that Warner isn't coming here as we can't afford both.
I guarantee if Warner has picked West Coast there will be a gag order from the editor and we won't see it painted on the back page before R1

 

[Purple Suit]

Rivers next please. Keep em coming Melboune

Then we go after Jeff Whites son for the poetry of it.

 

[Taylor]

I'm asking myself what The West's motivation is for publishing this, and it ain't Freo's best interests.
Creates friction between Melbourne/Pickett and Fremantle, and gives West Coast supporters hope that Warner isn't coming here as we can't afford both.
I guarantee if Warner has picked West Coast there will be a gag order from the editor and we won't see it painted on the back page before R1

Maybe the entire thing is a marketing work by the AFL to get eyes on the All Stars match in a month.

 

[Jezzitizle]

I'm asking myself what The West's motivation is for publishing this, and it ain't Freo's best interests.
Creates friction between Melbourne/Pickett and Fremantle, and gives West Coast supporters hope that Warner isn't coming here as we can't afford both.
I guarantee if Warner has picked West Coast there will be a gag order from the editor and we won't see it painted on the back page before R1

It’s to sell newspapers, and they become progressively more sensationalist over the years in desperation.

 

[Demons09]

Disagree with this post in general but in particular the bolded part.
It’s good money but it’s not life changing money. All AFL players have to work in something else post footy. Its a short career relatively speaking.

In fact Andy would be more aware than most of the fleeting nature of a pro footy career given what his own brother experienced.
As for Fyfe and Mundy - Fyfe was paid significantly more because he was a much superior player to Mundy.

Someone like Andy will have no problems with future endeavours after footy.

 

[Purple Suit]

Disagree with this post in general but in particular the bolded part.
It’s good money but it’s not life changing money. All AFL players have to work in something else post footy. Its a short career relatively speaking.

In fact Andy would be more aware than most of the fleeting nature of a pro footy career given what his own brother experienced.
As for Fyfe and Mundy - Fyfe was paid significantly more because he was a much superior player to Mundy.

800-900k a year for 5-7 years isn’t life changing? That’s more than some people earn in their whole careers. They work post footy because most players don’t earn that level and who wants to retire at 30-35, you’d get bored within a year or two. They have a lot of offers too post footy so it’s hard to turn down even more money and opportunity.

 

[wakojako]

800-900k a year for 5-7 years isn’t life changing? That’s more than some people earn in their whole careers. They work post footy because most players don’t earn that level and who wants to retire at 30-35, you’d get bored within a year or two. They have a lot of offers too post footy so it’s hard to turn down even more money and opportunity.

$5m is chump change, gotta pump those numbers up.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I'm asking myself what The West's motivation is for publishing this, and it ain't Freo's best interests.
Creates friction between Melbourne/Pickett and Fremantle, and gives West Coast supporters hope that Warner isn't coming here as we can't afford both.
I guarantee if Warner has picked West Coast there will be a gag order from the editor and we won't see it painted on the back page before R1

As someone else said, I don't think it's that deep. They have one goal.and one goal only, sell papers and create clicks. Like you said, this appeals to WC fans putting 1 and 1 together for Warner, Freo getting Kozzie and pissing people off over East so that they click on the link.

 

[DragoDelph]

 

[DragoDelph]

 

[bellie4pm]

As someone else said, I don't think it's that deep. They have one goal.and one goal only, sell papers and create clicks. Like you said, this appeals to WC fans putting 1 and 1 together for Warner, Freo getting Kozzie and pissing people off over East so that they click on the link.