2025 New Coach and GM Reports

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Disgusting racist Kyle Shanahan.

 

[Brasher]

Disgusting racist Kyle Shanahan.

Is this a post you reused when KKKyle Shanahan promoted DeMarco Ryans from within?

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Is this a post you reused when KKKyle Shanahan promoted DeMarco Ryans from within?

I thought he should have given a Thai ladyboi a chance as Niners DC that cycle.

 

[Brasher]

I can not and refuse to believe that racism is still a thing in the NFL. This is a billion dollar business requiring succes and you have no room for racists when the team is preoccupied with all the other ists.

 

[Brasher]

I thought he should have given a Thai ladyboi a chance as Niners DC that cycle.

No Green Card

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

I can not and refuse to believe that racism is still a thing in the NFL. This is a billion dollar business requiring succes and you have no room for racists when the team is preoccupied with all the other ists.

Its a cringe world we live in. I hear the usual race baiters in the media saying Mayo and Pierce's sacking were racist, no, they were just bad hires to begin with, jumping from a position coach to head coach. Why did no one mention how they were given jobs despite not even being a DC? "wHy DoNt MiNorItIeS gEt A cHaNcE?"

 

[Brasher]

Its a cringe world we live in. I hear the usual race baiters in the media saying Mayo and Pierce's sacking were racist, no, they were just bad hires to begin with, jumping from a position coach to head coach. Why did no one mention how they were given jobs despite not even being a DC? "wHy DoNt MiNorItIeS gEt A cHaNcE?"

Without derailing the thread...and I'll move on from here...the consensus from the birthplace of woke seems to be that cause for cause sake has jumped the shark.

Exhibit A being the backlash of the Rooney Rule being applied in basically everything Disney does these days.

 

[Jatz]

I can not and refuse to believe that racism is still a thing in the NFL. This is a billion dollar business requiring succes and you have no room for racists when the team is preoccupied with all the other ists.

That is an incredibly simplistic view. There are biases everywhere in life, to think they don't exist at the top end (especially when the majority of owners are old white men that have been sheltered their whole lives) is very naive.

Where in the NFL requires success by the way? How many clubs really don't compete on a regular basis? Coaches may be fired easily, owners really don't move very often.

Each to their own and I likely won't challenge your thinking on this (which is absolutely fine) but to say "I refuse to believe that racism is still a thing in the NFL" - that's a very strong comment relating to what is a complex issue.

 

[Brasher]

That is an incredibly simplistic view. There are biases everywhere in life, to think they don't exist at the top end (especially when the majority of owners are old white men that have been sheltered their whole lives) is very naive.

Where in the NFL requires success by the way? How many clubs really don't compete on a regular basis? Coaches may be fired easily, owners really don't move very often.

Each to their own and I likely won't challenge your thinking on this (which is absolutely fine) but to say "I refuse to believe that racism is still a thing in the NFL" - that's a very strong comment relating to what is a complex issue.

We can take this somewhere else because bias based on an individual's characteristics outside of the control of that individual is a broad issue that, as you rightly point out, can't be tied up in a neat package and moved on.

But, recognizing that biases exist and how we go about dealing with them are 2 different subjects. We can reduce complexity by making that differentation to start. My comment above related directly to the need for the Rooney Rule in today's NFL.

Is there any team in the NFL that wouldn't hire the likes of Lion's Johnson regardless of his background? I bet there are a few owners wondering if they could move an incumbent on if they thought they could land him.

Anyway, no harm, no foul....but keen to discuss further if interested in another forum.

 

[Jatz]

We can take this somewhere else because bias based on an individual's characteristics outside of the control of that individual is a broad issue that, as you rightly point out, can't be tied up in a neat package and moved on.

But, recognizing that biases exist and how we go about dealing with them are 2 different subjects. We can reduce complexity by making that differentation to start. My comment above related directly to the need for the Rooney Rule in today's NFL.

Is there any team in the NFL that wouldn't hire the likes of Lion's Johnson regardless of his background? I bet there are a few owners wondering if they could move an incumbent on if they thought they could land him.

Anyway, no harm, no foul....but keen to discuss further if interested in another forum.

Happy to keep it more closely related to the NFL as you mentioned.

There are markets (teams) within America that I believe would not pursue someone like Ben if he had a different background. Can you really see anything other than a white coach in Dallas for instance? The Giants? Hell, Baltimore has only ever had white coaches (albeit they're a newer franchise and Harbaugh has been there forever and a day). The Giants have been around 100 years with 22 head coaches.

I agree in that you're incredibly unlikely to see any overt racism these days but I have zero doubts decisions are being made due to more than pedigree.

 

[Brasher]

Happy to keep it more closely related to the NFL as you mentioned.

There are markets (teams) within America that I believe would not pursue someone like Ben if he had a different background. Can you really see anything other than a white coach in Dallas for instance? The Giants? Hell, Baltimore has only ever had white coaches (albeit they're a newer franchise and Harbaugh has been there forever and a day). The Giants have been around 100 years with 22 head coaches.

I agree in that you're incredibly unlikely to see any overt racism these days but I have zero doubts decisions are being made due to more than pedigree.

Interesting you mention Dallas and New York....definitely don't see an issue in NY since the Jets serving the same market didn't have an issue.

Dallas can't even hire the right white guy let alone a minority. So I'll call them an exception.

Maybe I'm naive, but with recent history I'm hoping the NFL is better these days.

Case in point, my team just interviewed a minority candidate for our vacant ST Coordinator position. Given how shit we have been in that department I'm hoping this guy is a genuine needle shifter who fills me with some hope for the team and not a quota filler before they just appoint their former DC Sorenson to the role (who i dont want).

 

[Chewy316]

Its a cringe world we live in. I hear the usual race baiters in the media saying Mayo and Pierce's sacking were racist, no, they were just bad hires to begin with, jumping from a position coach to head coach. Why did no one mention how they were given jobs despite not even being a DC? "wHy DoNt MiNorItIeS gEt A cHaNcE?"

I just don't understand the uproar from the media pushing for more minorities get a chance in general. Minority (specifically African American) players dominate the league because of their genetic traits being advantageous to the game.

But when you're talking about coaching, the skills for coaching relate largely to intelligence, and that is a skill by which race does not put anyone ahead or behind of each other.

Currently there are 5 minority head coaches in the league, which is a little over 15%, though this could increase with a few minorities hired in this latest cycle. According to the census government page in America, minorities make up around 25% of the population, so it's not a crazy discrepancy pointing to any obvious racially motivated suggestions that's for sure.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

The greatest example of racism in NFL coaching is Jon Gruden having the reputation of being a great coach despite his Super Bowl team being almost entirely constructed by Tony Dungy.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

But when you're talking about coaching, the skills for coaching relate largely to intelligence .

Reading this, I really thought you were about to go in another direction at this point and say white people are smarter and that's why they get more head coaching jobs.

I was about to tell you to calm down

 

[Johnny Bananas]

But when you're talking about coaching, the skills for coaching relate largely to intelligence, and that is a skill by which race does not put anyone ahead or behind of each other.

There's one factor you're missing: football experience. Besides Todd Haley, I'm struggling to think of another head coach in the modern era who didn't play football at least to the college level. So the comparison should be to the racial makeup of college football players, not the general population.

At the college level, what do we find?

Data from the NCAA Race and Gender Demographics Database shows that among Division I men’s college football student-athletes in 2020, 36.5% were white, 48.4% were black, 3% were Hispanic/Latino, 0.3% were Asian.

Race and Gender Demographics Database shows that among Division I college football head coaches in 2020, 81.7% were white, and 15.6% were black, with other minority groups also severely lacking representation. For Division I College Football Offensive Coordinators, 82.7% were white, and 14.8% were black. For Defensive Coordinators, 74% were white, and 20.6% were black. Additionally, for all other assistant coaches, 51.8% were white, 40% were black, 1.1% were Hispanic/Latino, and less than 1% were Asian

15% minority NFL HCs is similar to the NCAA Division I level of minority HCs. But they're both massively lower percentages than the percentage of minority players. Hmmm. I wonder what the reason for that is. I'm willing to listen to alternative explanations.

Also can anyone answer for me, have any of the McVay-type head coaches not been white? As in, young coaches considered to be offensive whizzes. The only ones coming to mind for me are white, but I might be forgetting some of them.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Also can anyone answer for me, have any of the McVay-type head coaches not been white? As in, young coaches considered to be offensive whizzes. The only ones coming to mind for me are white, but I might be forgetting some of them.

Mike McDaniel? Dave Canales?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Mike McDaniel? Dave Canales?

Knew I'd forgotten someone, though I didn't know Canales was Latino until just now.

 

[Chewy316]

The greatest example of racism in NFL coaching is Jon Gruden having the reputation of being a great coach despite his Super Bowl team being almost entirely constructed by Tony Dungy.

What absolute bullshit.

If it were truly Dungys team he would have won a ring with that team.