My major criticism is the selection of underdone players for the Brisbane Final - we would have been better served playing Lord, Moir and Binns rather.
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My major criticism is the selection of underdone players for the Brisbane Final - we would have been better served playing Lord, Moir and Binns rather.
I can actually understand that one despite the criticism. It was a hail marry. The only way we win the 2024 flag is if all those underdone guys come in and quickly get back to their best. Very unlikely but possible.
On the other hand, the side we rolled out against the Saints, was a 0% chance of winning the flag and most likely gets smashed even worse by Brisbane.
Dont get me wrong. The young guys we played in the last 2 rounds performed admirably but when it comes down to it they beat 1 terrible team and lost to another pretty bad one. Doesnt scream "unchanged lineup".
Not saying I agree with all the selections for that final but can understand the logic. It was a unique circumstance
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Not the point I was making. If ur trying to give some kids a game I find it best if u ease them in in games you can afford to cover their mistakes. Rd 1 should be all guns blazing best 23 possible. If that includes some new kids even better.
I just hope our 'best side' isn't decided purely on pre season performances and locked in, which appears to be our previous pattern.
We need to add youth when the opportunity presents throughout the season if improvement and team results are to be expected.
We need to add youth when the opportunity presents throughout the season if improvement and team results are to be expected.
You may recall the 1994 Final versus Geelong when Geelong went in without Hocking Couch and Bairstow, not saying we would have win with Moir, Binns and Lord but they say 1 finals game is worth 10 games experience.
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Agreed. Believe it was Chris Scott in 2022 after they won the flag, said after Richmond beat them again in the 2020 grand final that they knew they had to make changes to their list and bring through some youth because the senior players weren't good enough on their own.
The next year they got games into Close, SDK, ZGuthrie, Holmes etc even though they thought it might cause some short term pain. Then the next year they steamrolled the comp with all those kids playing integral roles.
I think we would have done better with Lord, Moir and Binns in the final. Would have defended better. Major issue was complete lack of forwards and very slow, flat footed midfield in that game. Some of the young guys may have chased and laid a few tackles like Lord did in the previous game and that is something as opposed to nothing which was delivered.
It's harsh, but fair.
Just like Pitto and Kennedy last year, I think George and Doc would/should be expecting to be replaced with kids like Cow, Lord, Jagga and Billy before the end of '25.
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I think that would be the hope from the coaching team. But what actually ends up happening, none are the wiser.
Austin and co's words about creating opportunities for youngsters like Moir, Wilson and Lord by moving on Owies and Kennedy I felt made that intent fairly clear.
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But - that’s quite different to fit them into our stronger side e.g. a fit Charlie changes the dynamic of our fwd line and will allow Motlop & Moir to be more dangerous
For sure. I'm not saying don't pick them next year. They will have another preseason under their belt too. I was purely referring to that point in time.
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We made a bad habit of really ordinary decisions at the selection table last season. We need some better decision making around that table in particular next year.
Hopefully a better run with injuries means we're not having to do 4 in 4 out every week.
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Yes, and we are all training to shitcan the match committee decisions next year...
Pretty sure.
Let's face it ... Carlton had no hope of winning the Elimination final against the eventual Premiers at the GABBA.
To have a chance Carlton would have needed to be at full strength ... and we were a long way off that.
All those losses leading into a finals series is not the 'form' required to go deep with a possibility of winning the flag.
In the end we were lucky to make the Top 8 and were only making up the numbers.
Great to see us training to do better in 2025 with a fresh start ... can't waite..
Will be interesting to see if our small forwards can step up ... as well as our defence with Haynes and Doc back
To have a chance Carlton would have needed to be at full strength ... and we were a long way off that.
All those losses leading into a finals series is not the 'form' required to go deep with a possibility of winning the flag.
In the end we were lucky to make the Top 8 and were only making up the numbers.
Great to see us training to do better in 2025 with a fresh start ... can't waite..
Will be interesting to see if our small forwards can step up ... as well as our defence with Haynes and Doc back
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Gee whiz hopefully Santa comes to some of the negative group members on here they get some positivity. Move on folks 2024 is done & dusted. Lets pass judgement in season not "pre season". Have a merry xmas all
I’ll add to this, don’t care if you’re a veteran or a first year player..if you’re in form you should be in ahead of someone out of form, no ifs nor butts, perform week in and week out or be playing in the twos.
Very few players should get leniency from a bad patch, very few.
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Love his guts, but having Kennedy in the side was a real impediment to blooding younger players. I agree that at least one of the above should have played (Lord) but you can only carry so many low-TOG players - or at least that's what I think was a factor in the coaches' minds.
Our best team may include a lot of the youngsters, especially if developed well. Our best team hasn't been good enough so we know new players need to come in for that to change. I think the young players only become good AFL players with AFL games under their belt.
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Keep asking the hard questions mate................
But no, seems its just another revisionist coulda shoulda woulda armchair experts angst thread.
IMHO, these are fallacies
Other clubs in our position (non rebuild years), don't rush young players if the side is playing poorly and or below expectations
It starts with tweaks to the gameplan/tactics, together with player buy in and continuity
You only need to reference the back half of 2023
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So.... hows the training going?
Bring another one of your brilliant training reports and we'll stop talking match committee. We promise.
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Serious question: do we have anyone on the list who is this type of FIGJAM as a personality?This bloke went alright
I think it would be good to have one, especially as a small forward.
I really can't think of anyone like that at Carlton.
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