Expansion 20th AFL team location

[Rotayjay]

Not a single one of these proposed 20th club locations is without massive logistic, marketability or economic barriers. Forget it.

 

[revo333]

19 teams + a Play-in weekend by 2027.

Will never hear the end of it from Hutchy.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

So instead we stick to 19 teams. Use the bye to keep the AFLPA happy for more rest weekends, and allow for Thursday fixtures for the entire season. And with Hawthorn and Kangaroos likely to stop playing homes games in Tas, they could look to other markets that will never have an AFL team (like Newcastle).

How long is that realistically going to last? You have to consider that the value of a 20th team is not just in the crowds it attracts, but the TV rights value of a 10th game. The marginal benefit is going to be bigger than the marginal cost for either Canberra or Perth 3, so it will happen and it probably won't take that long.

You'd figure Canberra is more likely to attract new viewers. Perth 3 only makes sense in the respect that it might prevent West Coast from getting too powerful, which I think is a worthy cause, because no club should dwarf the others, but I don't know if that's enough for the AFL. A Canberra team might not be a financial success to begin with, but any entity needs time to bed in if it's going to achieve popularity, so the earlier they get in, the better.

 

[Billy ray]

Launceston

 

[peetoo]

So isn’t the requirement now including a stadium worth up to a billion dollars unless one exists already?

Precedent


I recall Gold Coast stadium was ‘only’ 350 mill

 

[ID Card]

real answer is for the 20th team to be in Melbourne.
No one's really asking for it, but hey it's the AFL, so who knows ?

no real logistics issues, the afl would be happy for a new docklands tenant and melbourne gets to maintain it's 50% ratio of all the clubs. Win for all (except the rest of Australia).

 

[Billy ray]

real answer is for the 20th team to be in Melbourne.
No one's really asking for it, but hey it's the AFL, so who knows ?

no real logistics issues, the afl would be happy for a new docklands tenant and melbourne gets to maintain it's 50% ratio of all the clubs. Win for all (except the rest of Australia).

Port Melbourne?
Fitzroy?

Or Ballarat or Bendigo?

 

[Chaisa]

I recall Gold Coast stadium was ‘only’ 350 mill

TBF wasn't Carrara a redevelopment? Macquarie Point is a brand new stadium.

I'm not sure Manuka can be redeveloped all that well, for example but I've only been there once so can't say for certain.

 

[peetoo]

TBF wasn't Carrara a redevelopment? Macquarie Point is a brand new stadium.

I'm not sure Manuka can be redeveloped all that well, for example but I've only been there once so can't say for certain.

Yes, they kep the light towers. Like the mcg since 1991

 

[Coolangatta]

Maybe they should ask ChatGPT.

 

[projectv]

real answer is for the 20th team to be in Melbourne.
No one's really asking for it, but hey it's the AFL, so who knows ?

no real logistics issues, the afl would be happy for a new docklands tenant and melbourne gets to maintain it's 50% ratio of all the clubs. Win for all (except the rest of Australia).

Worth it for the salt it would generate, but not really much of a market for another Victorian team. Nowhere in regional Vic big enough to support a club.

 

[kranger]

TBF wasn't Carrara a redevelopment? Macquarie Point is a brand new stadium.

I'm not sure Manuka can be redeveloped all that well, for example but I've only been there once so can't say for certain.

Let’s just say, the space around Manuka Oval is big enough to fit an Adelaide Oval in there.

So if Canberra can get that light rail built to Manuka Oval… and then get a commitment to upgrade it…

 

[almuz]

Let’s just say, the space around Manuka Oval is big enough to fit an Adelaide Oval in there.

So if Canberra can get that light rail built to Manuka Oval… and then get a commitment to upgrade it…

The NIMBYs around that area will hate it but yeah there’s plenty of room to pop up a grand stand

The light rail being built along a populated route rather than down Adelaide Ave makes too much sense unfortunately

There’s tonnes of potential to liven up Manuka (and even the semi-walking distance Foreshore) with a light rail + more regular footy

 

[almuz]

No national comp without the capital

Push Rugba Loige out of ACT and get behind a growing market - what’s not to love???

 

[The_Reaper]

How long is that realistically going to last? You have to consider that the value of a 20th team is not just in the crowds it attracts, but the TV rights value of a 10th game. The marginal benefit is going to be bigger than the marginal cost for either Canberra or Perth 3, so it will happen and it probably won't take that long.

You'd figure Canberra is more likely to attract new viewers. Perth 3 only makes sense in the respect that it might prevent West Coast from getting too powerful, which I think is a worthy cause, because no club should dwarf the others, but I don't know if that's enough for the AFL. A Canberra team might not be a financial success to begin with, but any entity needs time to bed in if it's going to achieve popularity, so the earlier they get in, the better.

The draft and salary caps already serve to prevent West Coast from getting too powerful.

West Coast has won like, what 4 matches in the last 18 months?

 

[Canberra Pear]

The NIMBYs around that area will hate it but yeah there’s plenty of room to pop up a grand stand

The light rail being built along a populated route rather than down Adelaide Ave makes too much sense unfortunately

There’s tonnes of potential to liven up Manuka (and even the semi-walking distance Foreshore) with a light rail + more regular footy

There's definitely room for expansion. There's 50 metres between the eastern seating and the footpath.

It would be incredible if the light rail was laid down the National Circuit as it was initially preferred.

Could've created a 400-metre pedestrian-only boulevard on game day stretching from the station to the oval. Would've had an incredible atmosphere.

National Circuit would've been closer to a bunch of tourist institutions and the upcoming 5000-job intelligence precinct. Pretty much would've been better for everyone.

The light rail will be handy stopping about 1km away, but it could've been so much better.

 

[Truetiger]

So isn’t the requirement now including a stadium worth up to a billion dollars unless one exists already?

Precedent


I recall Gold Coast stadium was ‘only’ 350 mill

AFL run club so stadium discount. Where as Tassie, the tax payers are forced high costs.

 

[Dazb86]

You'd have to say Clyde North or Cranbourne. Large growth areas of Melbourne

 

[peetoo]

That is a left field answer, de-merge the lions. That would be delicious.

Of course the clubs might get to like the rolling bye, then who cares?

 

[Old Man Jenkins]

It'll be a third team in WA. People saying it won't work were probably saying the Dolphins wouldn't work in the NRL because everyone in Brisbane already follows a team.

There are thousands and thousands of people in Perth who support West Coast and can't get a seat at any games. These people will buy memberships for the 3rd WA team and go to games simply because they want to get a seat at the footy to watch games live.

 

[boncer34]

It'll be a third team in WA. People saying it won't work were probably saying the Dolphins wouldn't work in the NRL because everyone in Brisbane already follows a team.

There are thousands and thousands of people in Perth who support West Coast and can't get a seat at any games. These people will buy memberships for the 3rd WA team and go to games simply because they want to get a seat at the footy to watch games live.

This was true at Subiaco, they don't fill Optus.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

That is a left field answer, de-merge the lions. That would be delicious.

Of course the clubs might get to like the rolling bye, then who cares?

 

[Kram]

Who is going to follow a 3rd team in Perth? Everybody already either supports West Coast, Fremantle or other random Vic clubs. Would take a new team a generation like 30 years to get any traction at all. Freo had the help of a geographical area with strong football history and providing an alternative to those that just didn't warm to Eagle mania and nearly 30 years later are still dwarfed by them in support.

 

[Spirit Level]

No extra team please.

It's time North, you've had a good run

 

[1990crow]

It has to be Canberra.
Tasmania gets the team they deserve in a historical football state.
Canberra is an old AFL region neglected and replaced by NRL. Getting a team would aid in the AFLs mission to conquer the eastern states.

Post Team 20 Melbourne club relocations would be the next step. Looking at you North and St.Kilda.