Player Watch #21: Callum Coleman-Jones - has resumed light training post his Achilles rupture and many months rehabbing post op.

[zoomba23]

No, I am using them as examples as big men who were written off early. Find posts about these two after less than games and you’ll find similar sentiments.

Not sure what Turner has to do with this: I backed him in as we had no alternatives until Spicer and now Harvey took his place: in addition he started the season well. We can all agree he is now finished.

Maybe - just maybe - the poster who sees nothing in any of our players expect for obvious stars needs a new hobby? Cos it’s easy to make a call that “x won’t make it” in reaction to an average game/slow start to a career/misunderstanding that a side needs a variety of different positional roles played than to just write off everyone who doesn’t blitz it immediately.

You’re a bit of a bloody downer you know that? Put me on ignore if my opinions are so offensive to you.

It's not even worth your breath, mate. People on here are obsessed with fixed assessments of players. A tick or a cross. No consideration to circumstances that could be contributing to their struggles. No acknowledgment of positive attributes that have been shown in their time here. No scope for development at all.

There is one singular player on our list that I definitively believe would have **** all to offer us even if you pumped him full of meth, and that's Kayne Turner. But people on here would have you believe that everyone not named LDU, Wardlaw, TT or Sheezel should be shipped off to Siberia and made to work in the mines. (As a punishment for poor football displays, I actually don't mind this idea, but that's a far cry from believing they're missing their vocations as miners, if that makes sense)

Plenty of guys don't make it at any given club, but to habitually see just about every player to walk through a club's doors in black and white terms and to jump to a fixed conclusion about them and their worth... Well, people who do that aren't even worth swivelling your ass to fart at

 

[Roosurgence]

Are you talking about some life-size cardboard cutout which we pay runners to carry around the ground to make it look like we have key forwards waiting to be selected?

We have no-one. The cupboards are completely empty. All that is left as your hand scratches blindly around the top shelf is some out of date beef-flavoured OXO cubes from 1993 and half a handful of green split peas that somehow spilled out of their bag.

Stop with any illusions that we have any KPP depth. There is no one available. The list management team have systematically dismantled this playing group through their ineptitude.

How do you even cal this bloke a KPF? He’s big and that’s about it. He’s the definition of useless. Can’t win the ball in the air, in fact gets regularly beaten in a contested situation and worse when it’s the deck.

I would rather us go small or play Goldstein forward than play what is effectively a useless lump. Goldstein makes a better fist of playing forward and rarely plays there and is certainly a better ruck.

Why should we keep gifting games to a bloke that is a massive dud?

 

[Roosurgence]

He gets games at least until Comben returns. We need him as a second key forward/chop out ruck. It's one of the many predicaments that is a direct result of the list management masterclass exhibited by this club in recent years

No way. He doesn’t deserve games on the back of his performances.

Play Goldstein down forward and as the backup Ruck if you want a big bloke for structure.

Goldsteins not the answer but this bloke is less of the answer.

We got fleeced by Richmond. Unless something changes he will be playing state league footy permanently in the next couple of years.

 

[zoomba23]

No way. He doesn’t deserve games on the back of his performances.

Play Goldstein down forward and as the backup Ruck if you want a big bloke for structure.

Goldsteins not the answer but this bloke is less of the answer.

We got fleeced by Richmond. Unless something changes he will be playing state league footy permanently in the next couple of years.

Goldy isn't a forward's arseh*le. And you're probably gonna retort that CCJ isn't a forward's morning turd, but he suits that second key position way better than Goldy. I completely agree that CCJ should be dropped, but he's the one with forward instincts. Leads towards the ball, has a reasonable set shot technique, and knows where to handball when within cooee of goal, despite being well out of form. As I said, it's a consequence of our errant list management. It's less painful to put personal qualms aside and accept that that's just where we're at atm

 

[DuckYeah]

Geewhiz, a month ago he looked the goods.. what a pile on. Have a spell most of you campaigners.

 

[koshari]

Geewhiz, a month ago he looked the goods.. what a pile on. Have a spell most of you campaigners.

come to think of it my whipping arm is getting a little fatigued.

 

[koshari]

Goldy isn't a forward's arseh*le. And you're probably gonna retort that CCJ isn't a forward's morning turd, but he suits that second key position way better than Goldy. I completely agree that CCJ should be dropped, but he's the one with forward instincts. Leads towards the ball, has a reasonable set shot technique, and knows where to handball when within cooee of goal, despite being well out of form. As I said, it's a consequence of our errant list management. It's less painful to put personal qualms aside and accept that that's just where we're at atm

wouldnt exactly say he exactly has "forward instincts" but 100% agree we dont have a lot of options due to list neglect. a 2nd rounder for him is akin to the paying of 30 bucks for a disposable rain poncho at a music event or 10 bucks for a pair of ear plugs at a motorsport event because you didnt address the issue earlier.

 

[Mixed Results]

 

[chubbspeterson]

27 games of AFL footy. Maybe get him to 50 games before we completely give up on him.

 

[Themanbun]

Never once seen Charlie refuse to compete.

 

[The acurate one]

Sheesh he was ok against Sydney, lift the bar for success off the ground people.

Next season is yr 7 for him in an AFL environment. Yr 7!!

He is terrible at this caper currently, that isn't to say he will be horrid in 2024, but by crikey it will take a massive turn around.

 

[sruss]

He’s had a poor month, but statistically what else is the second ruck/ second tall forward meant to do? For the season, he is on a par with Casboult, Weideman, Lobb and Cox - I get that these players are all spuds but even the upper tier of that sort of player (Thilthorpe, McLean), are only averaging an extra touch or 2 a game as the only real point of difference. I think 10 touches, 1 goal and 7+ hit outs seems to be pretty okay for a resting ruck?

 

[Themanbun]

He’s had a poor month, but statistically what else is the second ruck/ second tall forward meant to do?

Compete when the ball is within 5m tbh.

 

[Psicosis]

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Sheesh he was ok against Sydney, lift the bar for success off the ground people.

Next season is yr 7 for him in an AFL environment. Yr 7!!

He is terrible at this caper currently, that isn't to say he will be horrid in 2024, but by crikey it will take a massive turn around.

7 years and 27 games. I’d like him at 50-100 games before having a clear picture.

 

[sruss]

Compete when the ball is within 5m tbh.

I’ll pay that one - his body language on the weekend in particular was poor

 

[Psicosis]

27 games of AFL footy. Maybe get him to 50 games before we completely give up on him.

His form has been reflective of the rest of the side. His best games have been when we have looked good collectively. Isn’t rocket science.

If the midfield actually show up this week he will have a good opportunity with them missing Blanche. The midfield showing up being a critical piece.

I don’t expect key forwards with 27 games to influence when we get destroyed in the middle.

 

[apollo_creed]

He is 24 and has been poor. Are we still going to be saying the same thing next year? Or when he’s 30?

It’s clearly not an age or size thing. He’s just not very good.

No, I am using them as examples as big men who were written off early. Find posts about these two after less than 30 games and you’ll find similar sentiments.

Not sure what Turner has to do with this: I backed him in as we had no alternatives until Spicer and now Harvey took his place: in addition he started the season well. We can all agree he is now finished.

Maybe - just maybe - the poster who sees nothing in any of our players except for obvious stars needs a new hobby? Cos it’s easy and lazy to make a call that “x won’t make it” in reaction to an average game/slow start to a career/not understanding that a side needs a variety of different positional roles played and just write off everyone who doesn’t blitz it immediately. Harder to actually identify talent worth persisting with even if they don’t get 30 touches on debut.

You’re a bit of a bloody downer you know that? You mope and whine and whinge around this joint like a bad ******* smell. Put me on ignore if my opinions are so offensive to you.

 

[apollo_creed]

His form has been reflective of the rest of the side. His best games have been when we have looked good collectively. Isn’t rocket science.

If the midfield actually show up this week he will have a good opportunity with them missing Blanche. The midfield showing up being a critical piece.

I don’t expect key forwards with 27 games to influence when we get destroyed in the middle.

How many goals has he kicked? He has looked absolutely abysmal. There is ‘influencing’ and there is producing abysmal output. He is doing far below the expected, even for a shit side. Stop creating excuses for underperforming players and start facing reality.

 

[apollo_creed]

Geewhiz, a month ago he looked the goods.. what a pile on. Have a spell most of you campaigners.

Looked the goods? Hahahahahaha. He took a couple of contested marks and that is looking the goods… the bar has gone lower everyone. Hahahahahahaha.

 

[apollo_creed]

8 games… 4 goals. But he “looks the goods” everyone. Give this 24 year old time… he’ll come good.. the career of shitness is just a mirage.. he took a couple of contested marks a few weeks ago.. he “looks the goods”

We are shit because we have lots of shit players. He is one of them. Not rocket science.

 

[apollo_creed]

He’s had a poor month, but statistically what else is the second ruck/ second tall forward meant to do? For the season, he is on a par with Casboult, Weideman, Lobb and Cox - I get that these players are all spuds but even the upper tier of that sort of player (Thilthorpe, McLean), are only averaging an extra touch or 2 a game as the only real point of difference. I think 10 touches, 1 goal and 7+ hit outs seems to be pretty okay for a resting ruck?

He is not and never will be a ruckman, not even a second one. Terrible when in that position and should not be used in that role.

 

[Roosurgence]

He’s had a poor month, but statistically what else is the second ruck/ second tall forward meant to do? For the season, he is on a par with Casboult, Weideman, Lobb and Cox - I get that these players are all spuds but even the upper tier of that sort of player (Thilthorpe, McLean), are only averaging an extra touch or 2 a game as the only real point of difference. I think 10 touches, 1 goal and 7+ hit outs seems to be pretty okay for a resting ruck?

Do those stats show how easily opposition defenders outmark him or how they run off and create and attacking option for their team?

Let’s not talk stats with this guy, because even though they are abysmal, what is worse is what little else he offers. He is literally shithouse in every facet of the game.

And to compare his stats to Comben’s as some defence, shows how useless stats are.

At least Comben competes and generally brings the ball to ground and provides pressure when it does come to ground.

This guy is the classic one trick pony and he’s shit at the trick, which is meant to be his contested marking game.

Someone said he is a better forward than Goldstein, which is absolute rubbish. Goldy is a shithouse forward and this guy makes him look competent.

 

[Psicosis]

How many goals has he kicked? He has looked absolutely abysmal. There is ‘influencing’ and there is producing abysmal output. He is doing far below the expected, even for a s**t side. Stop creating excuses for underperforming players and start facing reality.

I just think we have a different expectations of a 27 game key forward that plays in our forward line.

Has had moments where he’s looked poor and moments where he’s looked good, similar to Chom when he was in the side.

We need more from him, like we do all our players, kick more goals, take more marks etc, but I do recognise how difficult it would be to play in our F50 this year, particularly for someone with that level of experience.

At the absolute minimum he and Chom have made life for Larkey significantly easier and that is translating to his goals. Next step is for him to take more marks, influence more contests and kick more goals. Hopeful we see that if the side plays better on the run home.

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

No, I am using them as examples as big men who were written off early. Find posts about these two after less than 30 games and you’ll find similar sentiments.

Not sure what Turner has to do with this: I backed him in as we had no alternatives until Spicer and now Harvey took his place: in addition he started the season well. We can all agree he is now finished.

Maybe - just maybe - the poster who sees nothing in any of our players except for obvious stars needs a new hobby? Cos it’s easy and lazy to make a call that “x won’t make it” in reaction to an average game/slow start to a career/not understanding that a side needs a variety of different positional roles played and just write off everyone who doesn’t blitz it immediately. Harder to actually identify talent worth persisting with even if they don’t get 30 touches on debut.

You’re a bit of a bloody downer you know that? You mope and whine and whinge around this joint like a bad ******* smell. Put me on ignore if my opinions are so offensive to you.

oh you poor lost soul - someone questioned your idiotic summation that CCJ will follow the development path of Drew and Taz and you go all cry baby. FFS! Your resilience is worse than our backline.

I don't find your posts offensive - they are just soft, ridiculous assertions that reek of football illiteracy.

 

[tazaa]

Time for a spell. Play Greenwood at CHF.