Retired #21: Dyson Heppell - Goodnight, sweet prince. What a legend! 🤙 - 24/8

[Lore]

Contract Status: Unrestricted Free Agent 2024
My Boy Draft 2024: Pick 27, Highly Evolved

 

[BrunoV]

Yes he's a dickhead sometimes.

And that is why I'd be embarrassed?

I didn't mention his playing ability.

 

[Slattery_20]

Yeah, it's embarrassing having a dual coleman medallist in our team, the second coming off the back of 4 operations and half a preseason But probably no more embarrassing than that cheat Jetta! At least ours is a gun
Yes he's a dickhead sometimes but a dickhead who is a damn good footballer and will be for the next ten years.

P.S. It still amazes me how Essendon supporters on a purely Essendon thread manage to bring up the RFC yet again. Many issues here......

We're not saying he can't play, we're saying he carries on like a peanut. Surely you can understand why people are sceptical; Richmond has, as long as I've been alive, been held back by their better players' opinions of themselves.

 

[SumTingWong]

Heppell envy. Not happy with Conca?
Lurking in this thread isn't going to turn back time.

Absolutely not......2 different players anyway.
Hepell's foray into the midfield this year has been OK at best. Conca has shown way more as an inside midfielder but Heppell has shown way better skills as an outside player/half back. And Conca's stats after a slowish first year are now on a par with Heppell.
Conca will be a very good player but most probably not a gun.
P.S. Only commenting on the comparison because you brought it up. Don't want to start a Conca v Heppell debate. Safe to say both clubs are very happy with who they have.

 

[SumTingWong]

We're not saying he can't play, we're saying he carries on like a peanut. Surely you can understand why people are sceptical; Richmond has, as long as I've been alive, been held back by their better players' opinions of themselves.

I agree. But I don't think we need to worry too much......it's not as if he's in Fevola territory (he says fingers crossed that this doesn't eventuate)

 

[Kong]

Dyson Heppell, eh?

 

[Phone]

Jack Reiwoldt won the Coleman with the lowest tally since 1975 in which they play more games now then back then also in a year in which Franklin missed 9 matches. Yes he still won it but really when the rest of your forward line comprises Brad Miller, Adam Maricc & Vickery I'm sure i could win the Coleman too!

we've been playing 22 games in a season since 1970, just for the record.

 

[Slattery_20]

Absolutely not......2 different players anyway.
Hepell's foray into the midfield this year has been OK at best. Conca has shown way more as an inside midfielder but Heppell has shown way better skills as an outside player/half back. And Conca's stats after a slowish first year are now on a par with Heppell.

And by "OK at best" you actually mean "better than his first year, and still better than anything Conca has shown".

I really like Conca btw. Never got why people see him as not having outside skills. Very nice kick, great vision and loves to drop it on the boot. I suspect you feel the need to talk him up as 'blood and guts' to contrast to Heppell when, really, they are pretty similar sizes & positions & types albeit in slightly different style (Heppell choosing to run the ball and take guys on, Conca preferring to kick).
He is just, as 99.9% of young players are, waaaaay behind where Heppell is.

Conca will be a very good player but most probably not a gun.

Why not? Take 2 seconds & compare him to a Deledio or Hodge or Goddard or Griffen - or almost any other 2nd year.
Very very good kid, consistent, hard, good skills, great size. Richmond should be overjoyed by this pick, in his own right; and stop deluding themselves that Heppell's no good.

 

[Slattery_20]

I agree. But I don't think we need to worry too much......it's not as if he's in Fevola territory (he says fingers crossed that this doesn't eventuate)

Firmly in 'Cho territory, though.
I really worry that the Wayne-train himself still has a job.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Hepell's foray into the midfield this year has been OK at best. Conca has shown way more as an inside midfielder

okey mete

 

[SumTingWong]

And by "OK at best" you actually mean "better than his first year, and still better than anything Conca has shown".

I really like Conca btw. Never got why people see him as not having outside skills. Very nice kick, great vision and loves to drop it on the boot. I suspect you feel the need to talk him up as 'blood and guts' to contrast to Heppell when, really, they are pretty similar sizes & positions & types albeit in slightly different style (Heppell choosing to run the ball and take guys on, Conca preferring to kick).
He is just, as 99.9% of young players are, waaaaay behind where Heppell is.


Why not? Take 2 seconds & compare him to a Deledio or Hodge or Goddard or Griffen - or almost any other 2nd year.
Very very good kid, consistent, hard, good skills, great size. Richmond should be overjoyed by this pick, in his own right; and stop deluding themselves that Heppell's no good.

The stats say otherwise....the rest is just your opinion. Need to take off your black and red goggles.
I haven't said that Heppell is no good, to me he looks lost at stoppages. If he is going to make it as a midfielder he has a while to go.

 

[calyam]

The stats say otherwise....the rest is just your opinion. Need to take off your black and red goggles.
I haven't said that Heppell is no good, to me he looks lost at stoppages. If he is going to make it as a midfielder he has a while to go.

Well that depends on what stats you use. The raw disposal statistics suggest that the two are relatively similar, although the Tigers are a higher possession team. Champion Data, who try to get around such issues and also try to account for quality of possession, suggest that Heppell is still well ahead of Conca - although the difference between the two is less than it was during their first season. But even if you don't rate statistics, the AFLCA rates Heppell the best youngster in the game and the Essendon coaching panel thought he was Bombers second best player in 2012. Both suggest that he's probably still somewhat ahead of Conca at this point in time.

 

[Kong]

Stats: such an annoying and worthless basis for an argument

Rule of thumb for me: If I see a post reeling off stats, I stop reading.

 

[Slattery_20]

The stats say otherwise....the rest is just your opinion. Need to take off your black and red goggles.
I haven't said that Heppell is no good, to me he looks lost at stoppages. If he is going to make it as a midfielder he has a while to go.

OK, I'll play along - let's look at "the stats" then, shall we?

"The stats" still say Hepp

found more footy,
took more marks,
had more handballs,
more kicks,
more contested marks,
more contested footy,
more effective touches,
more inside 50s,
more rebound 50s,
more goal assists,
more 1%ers,
recorded more bounces,
more frees for,
less frees against,
less clangers -

on average and total.

And some of those games he was doing (solid) run-with jobs, as well.

Conca shaded him for clearances and tackles, but that is all he really has going in his favour, by your beloved stats.

As I said. Conca will be very very very good for your club, and you can be confident he is an astute pick.

But it is pretty easy to tell who is on the bigfooty drip-feed and who isn't, with posts about Hepp.

He had 2 or 3 games (roughly mid-year) where his defensive running really got found out by pretty good opponents, but then his form picked back up after that, and it didn't really happen again after that. This is what happens with young kids. It matters as little as Conca's down games last year.

 

[Jade]

Absolutely not......2 different players anyway.
Hepell's foray into the midfield this year has been OK at best. Conca has shown way more as an inside midfielder but Heppell has shown way better skills as an outside player/half back. And Conca's stats after a slowish first year are now on a par with Heppell.
Conca will be a very good player but most probably not a gun.
P.S. Only commenting on the comparison because you brought it up. Don't want to start a Conca v Heppell debate. Safe to say both clubs are very happy with who they have.

 

[SumTingWong]

OK, I'll play along - let's look at "the stats" then, shall we?

"The stats" still say Hepp
Heppell (avg) Conca (avg)

found more footy, 21.5 19.4
took more marks, 5.7 4.1
had more handballs, 9 8.2
more kicks, 12.5 11.2
more contested marks, 0.3 0.1
more contested footy, 7 6.6
more effective touches, 71% 75%
more inside 50s,
more rebound 50s, 2.5 1.5
more goal assists, 0.5 0.2
more 1%ers, 1.7 1.2
recorded more bounces, 0.6 0.3
more frees for, 0.8 0.9
less frees against, 0.5 1.7
less clangers - 2.3 2.5

on average and total.

And some of those games he was doing (solid) run-with jobs, as well.

Conca shaded him for clearances and tackles, but that is all he really has going in his favour, by your beloved stats.

Like I said,the stats say they are alot closer than you say. Conca looks pretty close to me!
Tackles and clearances......pretty much the most important stats when it comes to winning games of footy, don't remember bounces ever been mentioned as a must for victory

Apparently he uses the ball better as well.

Conca has an opponent every week (since you seem to think this matters). He never plays loose off half back like Heppell.

Doesn't give much credence to your view that Heppell is waaaaaaay ahead of %99.9 of any other young player does it now

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Like I said,the stats say they are alot closer than you say. Conca looks pretty close to me!
Tackles and clearances......pretty much the most important stats when it comes to winning games of footy, don't remember bounces ever been mentioned as a must for victory

Apparently he uses the ball better as well.

Conca has an opponent every week (since you seem to think this matters). He never plays loose off half back like Heppell.

Doesn't give much credence to your view that Heppell is waaaaaaay ahead of %99.9 of any other young player does it now

Heppell on performance is already quite a better player than Conca, I expect him to be better in the long run as well, he is superior too Conca is nearly every stat, the only reason Conca has more clearances and tackles is because he is more of an in and under player whilst Heppell is both. And for the record he is probably only ahead of about 99% percent of players 21 and younger, not 99.9%.

Also, don't come on this board complaining about us and then expect to get a serious reply.

 

[Zach Package]

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Also, don't come on this board complaining about us and then expect to get a serious reply.

in fairness to him, this whole board is just a facade, we're all secretly trying to bring down the richmond football club with a series of elaborate trolls and underground tunnels and whatnot.

 

[Drummer_19]

in fairness to him, this whole board is just a facade, we're all secretly trying to bring down the richmond football club with a series of elaborate trolls and underground tunnels and whatnot.

Now you've gone and blown our cover.

 

[SumTingWong]

Heppell on performance is already quite a better player than Conca, I expect him to be better in the long run as well, he is superior too Conca is nearly every stat, the only reason Conca has more clearances and tackles is because he is more of an in and under player whilst Heppell is both. And for the record he is probably only ahead of about 99% percent of players 21 and younger, not 99.9%.

Also, don't come on this board complaining about us and then expect to get a serious reply.

Yeah, you've really followed this thread well

 

[Yoda_]

Head to the Richmond board and some have suggested trading Reece Conca for picks or gun young playes (I think it was Caddy in this instance).

Conca, must be a gun

 

[Ambrosia]

Like I said,the stats say they are alot closer than you say. Conca looks pretty close to me!
Tackles and clearances......pretty much the most important stats when it comes to winning games of footy, don't remember bounces ever been mentioned as a must for victory

Apparently he uses the ball better as well.

Conca has an opponent every week (since you seem to think this matters). He never plays loose off half back like Heppell.

Doesn't give much credence to your view that Heppell is waaaaaaay ahead of %99.9 of any other young player does it now

He said effective disposals
Heppell Conca
15.2 Effective Disposals Per Game 14.4

but seeing as you brought up ball use
2.2 Clangers Per Game 3.4

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Yeah, you've really followed this thread well

Nice deflection.

 

[SumTingWong]

Nice deflection.

wtf? ur an idiot sir

 

[SumTingWong]

He said effective disposals
Heppell Conca
15.2 Effective Disposals Per Game 14.4

but seeing as you brought up ball use
2.2 Clangers Per Game 3.4

u obviously didn't study statistics did u? and that was a rhetorical question........
back into ur cave u troll

 

[Dwight Schrute]

wtf? ur an idiot sir

Nice deflection.