Past #22: Todd Goldstein - has advised NMFC he will seek opportunity at Essendon in '24 - 316 NM games/156 goals/'15 SBM/'15 AA/most hitouts in lge history

[KillaKanga]

Both will have time up forward and also filling the 'whole' in defense.

I can see this being very effective as it would allow whoever is in the primary ruck duty to stay a kick out of the play and get his breath by not having to get to every contest on the ground. Both are also proven at a forward role AND quality at chopping off opposition forward entries.

 

[Groggyk]

Perhaps we set one up on either side and vary the side we kick to?

Still predictable however smaller packs with less hands attempting the spoil.

For sure.

That's a great tactic to really stretch the oppostion talls & I hope to see something like your suggesting just not ALL the time.

What I want to see is some genuine unpredictability in our kick in strategies this year though, with multiple set ups rotated regularly through the match.

Massive bugbear of ours.

 

[Moose Malloy]

I posted this a fair while ago , but I'll repeat it again anyway. You'll have one forward and one a kick behind play. The trick is to ensure they're in the right positions at the right time to be effective.

One negative I can see is remaining completely predictable at kick ins as the team try to exploit the aerial advantage through the big boy sitting in the defensive half. Our history hasn't been that great in breaking our patterns up (both in attack and defence), but I'm hopeful this is a playing group immaturity thing and not coach instruction.

I'm tipping we'll know after a month if this is going to work or not.

Great points, especially re: breaking up the patterns. This still seemed to be an issue deep into last season (the second Saints game springs to mind, much as I wish it wouldn't) and I really hope there's been some development in this area. Will make a big difference if we can get it right.

 

[Contra Mundum]

read it this morning and started to get really excited about how good these two could be together. I had my doubts to begin with but if Scott can get it to work then the two towers could cause absolute nightmares for opposition coaches.

I'm hoping that all the pre-game talk this year will be about how our opposition is going to combat our ruck duo and midfield depth.

Had a "nearly had an accident due to Tim Watson's stupidity" experience today. On SEN this morning Timmy said there is "no way" H and the Hebrew Hammer could be as good as NicNat and Coxy - will you **** off!!!!

 

[GarnerSmash]

Expect to see them on the ground at the same time, well initially at least, anyway.

Goldy should be taking care of centre square duties with his vastly superior tap work, H then providing the chop out either deep forward or back at throw ins and ball ups.

I posted this a fair while ago , but I'll repeat it again anyway. You'll have one forward and one a kick behind play. The trick is to ensure they're in the right positions at the right time to be effective.

One negative I can see is remaining completely predictable at kick ins as the team try to exploit the aerial advantage through the big boy sitting in the defensive half. Our history hasn't been that great in breaking our patterns up (both in attack and defence), but I'm hopeful this is a playing group immaturity thing and not coach instruction.

I'm tipping we'll know after a month if this is going to work or not.

Nice analysis Groggy

 

[Groggyk]

Had a "nearly had an accident due to Tim Watson's stupidity" experience today. On SEN this morning Timmy said there is "no way" H and the Hebrew Hammer could be as good as NicNat and Coxy - will you **** off!!!!

You'd reckon a bloke who has worked in the media a fair while would be at least a little more savvy, eh?

Journo: "So Todd, do you think you'll be as good as NicNat and Cox?"

Todd: "We are well aware of (Cox and Naitanui) and the way in which they go about," Goldstein said this week. "Hopefully 'H' (McIntosh) and I can go some way to matching them this year. "Two years ago we worked together really well. I can see no reason why you can't have two ruckmen as long as they can also go forward and help out in defence as well."

Headline = We can be as good as Dean Cox and Nick Naitanui

Dumb as lamp post our Tim.

 

[Old Skool]

Perhaps we set one up on either side and vary the side we kick to?

Yep, that's how I see it.

 

[Passmore]

Timmy's comment almost as bad as the Mitch Clark call. "Goldy's good but not Mitch Clark good"

Cox and Natanui, complement each other well. Cox is a champion ruckman who would do 80% of the work. Natanui comes in an does the other 20%, and given Cox's presence, can perform party tricks.

The issue for Natanui, and WCE, will be when Cox retires. He will then have to do the grunt work, not a 5 minute highlight pacakage. That's his test. Not sure how old Cox is, I'm guessing 30.

Goldy and H are both traditional ruckman. The sum of these two is better than Cox and Natanui, however the question is whether they will complement each other in the same way as the WCE pair.

As a not so great NMFC CEO once said "time will tell"

 

[R00StaR]

Goldstein said. "As far as finals and where we may finish, that's for the experts to predict. All you will get out of this team is an expectation to win every game and a desire to improve more than the other clubs."

I really like this attitude, just worry about winning week to week against any team (no fears) and let the rest look after itself.

On song the our 2 rucks could pose massive headaches, i still worry we might get too tall at times. We have Petrie who can take the ruck up forward, id probably prefer to see them drop in the hole in defence. One huge plus as suggested is the long kick ins, we often had Petrie motor all the way up for those.

 

[jacko57]

Had a "nearly had an accident due to Tim Watson's stupidity" experience today. On SEN this morning Timmy said there is "no way" H and the Hebrew Hammer could be as good as NicNat and Coxy - will you **** off!!!!

You have to respect Timmy's opinion, given his successful career as a coach.

 

[Mr Reliable]

You have to respect Timmy's opinion, given his successful career as a coach.

Close thread

 

[Mav]

Timmy's comment almost as bad as the Mitch Clark call. "Goldy's good but not Mitch Clark good"

Cox and Natanui, complement each other well. Cox is a champion ruckman who would do 80% of the work. Natanui comes in an does the other 20%, and given Cox's presence, can perform party tricks.

The issue for Natanui, and WCE, will be when Cox retires. He will then have to do the grunt work, not a 5 minute highlight pacakage. That's his test. Not sure how old Cox is, I'm guessing 30.

Goldy and H are both traditional ruckman. The sum of these two is better than Cox and Natanui, however the question is whether they will complement each other in the same way as the WCE pair.

As a not so great NMFC CEO once said "time will tell"

H's 2009 was as good as Cox's 2011. Goldy is better than Nic Nat. Not as freakish but is a more rounded player.

It's going to be a big game come round 6!

 

[Old Skool]

H's 2009 was as good as Cox's 2011. Goldy is better than Nic Nat. Not as freakish but is a more rounded player.

It's going to be a big game come round 6!

I'm just as interested to see how they can go in round 15, when we get them in the middle of the Tasmanian winter............(laughs maniacally)

 

[Kimbo]

Cox and Natanui, complement each other well. Cox is a champion ruckman who would do 80% of the work. Natanui comes in an does the other 20%, and given Cox's presence, can perform party tricks.

The issue for Natanui, and WCE, will be when Cox retires. He will then have to do the grunt work, not a 5 minute highlight pacakage. That's his test. Not sure how old Cox is, I'm guessing 30.

Goldy and H are both traditional ruckman. The sum of these two is better than Cox and Natanui, however the question is whether they will complement each other in the same way as the WCE pair.

Top post Passmore!

It's no shame not to be as good (effective) as this combination, or more particularly Cox, who is the best ruckman I've seen. (Until someone reminds me of someone I've forgotten.) But seriously, he's reinvented that role in recent times and is freakishly mobile and athletic for someone of his height. Has H covered easily, and clearly Goldy too right now. Natanui is a whole different kettle of fish, altogether... "Natanui is a whole different kettle of fish..."

And, I'm looking forward to seeing how our boys go this year. A fit H will be good to see. Just watched the Freo game again yesterday and having a ruckman who can drop back will be a new luxury. Seeing Lachie and Narni hanging of the man mountain, Sandilands was embarrassment.

Speaking of that game, for anyone who recalls, or like me, has watched it a few times in the off season, how was Tony Shaw's contrived build up of Zac Clarke? Apart from the 'giraffe with doubt' comment, he was blowing smoke up his arse all game.

 

[Mav]

I'm just as interested to see how they can go in round 15, when we get them in the middle of the Tasmanian winter............(laughs maniacally)

ha ha, Daniel Kerr is going to have wear his wet suit just so he can have a piss to try and stay warm

 

[Old Skool]

ha ha, Daniel Kerr is going to have wear his wet suit just so he can have a piss to try and stay warm

They will go in to shock.

We're going to put those pampered suntanned primadonnas in to the antarctic meat grinder and spit out frozen patties.

 

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sweet. now for cox and nicnat to dominate us collingwood-post-Brad Scott-media-talk-up-last-year-and-the-year-before style

 

[Shinboner Schem]

I can think of numerous setups when kicking out of defence when both these guys are on the ground, e.g
- both positioned on the same side of ground, but about 20m apart - kicker can either kick to closer one, play on run out and kick to further one, or kick to a tall (e.g. Pedo) on the opposite side. The closer ruck can either mark, tap down or punch it further up), the further ruck can mark or tap down to running types.
- one sets up in the pocket then runs to square to screen the man on the mark while kicker plays on, ruck's opposition wont be able to keep up with kicker. Kicker could run far enough to kick it up the wing to other ruck.




I've also got concerns about having too many talls in the team and then being out-run late in games. This is were players like Garlett come in who have slimmed down. They should be able to play good sub-roles to break away.

 

[shinboner magic]

Our rucks arent as agile as the Weagles should be fine when we have the ball but when we defending kickouts will be the worry.

On the fast tracks we might have a weaklink or two in our setup.

Look forward to their experiment

Hope it works

 

[Tas]

I have a fear this has Hale mkII written all over it. The 2nd ruckman needs to be able to hold down a key position and do a half decent job of it or else we are just conceding a spot on the field.

 

[Groggyk]

I have a fear this has Hale mkII written all over it. The 2nd ruckman needs to be able to hold down a key position and do a half decent job of it or else we are just conceding a spot on the field.

You think we are going to turn a genuine Ruckman into this???:

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And no, they don't have to hold down a key position at all.

 

[Mr Reliable]

For the record, the closest Goldy comes to saying the words in the BS headline attributed to him in the HUN (accurately quoted in the thread title) is this comment:

''We are well aware of (Cox and Naitanui) and the way in which they go about it. Hopefully 'H' and I can go some way to matching them this year.''

''Some way to matching them'' is Goldy humble.

 

[R00StaR]

You have to respect Timmy's opinion, given his successful career as a coach.

Yeah silly bugger, everyone knew he was a dud taking players off who were playing well. Kick a goal and he'd take them off, hit a purple patch he'd take them off, didnt matter - it was almost a rotation, just wouldnt let his players settle in.

Whos the idiot now hey Tim?

The other thing that worries me about the dual ruckman thing (feel free to correct me here if im wrong), i felt a big part of Goldies game last year was his ability to work himself into games. Even seemed to get better the harder and longer he worked, so yeah i guess im a bit worried we may not see the best of him.

 

[GreatBradScott]

Got some quick one on one's with those boys on the media day. Will be on the podcast which we record and release this Saturday March the 24th.

Will post the site up later, until then you can follow 'Bound For Glory' on the Facebooks or the Twitters here:

http://www.facebook.com/boundforgloryfm

https://twitter.com/#!/BoundforGloryFM

Bon chatted to us about where Aaron Black is currently at and just where Lachie Hansen fits in to the scheme of things.

Toddy spoke about the transitional period between him and HMac, and how he pulled off a brilliant 2011.

LA speaks honestly about the sub rule and just what he thinks of it.


Also have Warnie from DT Talk on the show, Interview and Audio of Nick Dal Santo; and one final guest I can't reveal just yet.

Footy Speak without the precession of idiocy from the likes of Caro. By the fans and for the fans.


Will post link up of site to d/l said podcast from once it's up and running in a day or so.

 

[Twinkletoes]

Cheers GBS.