Player Watch #24: Trent Rivers – midfield gun (imagine my surprise)

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Starting to give Elliot Yeo vibes

Please dont get fat like Yeo did, we already have enough fat players on the team.

 

[Jordie_tackles]

Chaplin on Rivers - Article on AFL website

"We have a bit of a laugh with him. Two years ago, round one, 2021, he'd taken a couple of intercept marks and he turned to Steven May

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Steven May

Age

33

Ht

193cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

307.3

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

12.1

5star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

0.5

1star

MG

378.4

5star

D

12.4

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

and Jake Lever

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Jake Lever

Age

28

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.6

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

4.9

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.3

3star

MG

242.0

4star

D

9.6

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

3.1

2star

M

3.9

4star

T

1.3

2star

MG

145.4

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

11.0

4star

HB

5.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

189.8

4star

and said, 'Boys, just keep holding out for me, I'm feeling it today'," Chaplin said.

 

[Tulip]

Starting to give Elliot Yeo vibes

Doesn't have the footskills, but could see it. Reminding me a bit of early Rory Laird at HBF too.

 

[Headless]

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Yoink!

 

[Lord Nev]

Used to get drop to work on his kicking, big credit to the kid.

 

[The Dr]

Used to get drop to work on his kicking, big credit to the kid.

Love Riv but that stat doesn't pass the eye test


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[Topkent]

Love Riv but that stat doesn't pass the eye test


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What's the stat?

 

[Dory_77]

What's the stat?

Rated best kick in the comp over the last 6 rounds by Champion Data.
Think he's been good but not sure that good. Then again I can't immediately think of someone better (though haven't seen enough of other teams to rate it).

 

[Topkent]

Rated best kick in the comp over the last 6 rounds by Champion Data.
Think he's been good but not sure that good. Then again I can't immediately think of someone better (though haven't seen enough of other teams to rate it).

Josh/Nick Daicos
Charlie Curnow
Newcombe
Merrett
Myers

Just off the top of my head

Champion data has some of the worst takes you'll ever see. They rated Grundy the AA ruck a week before he was dropped

 

[Lord Nev]

Rated best kick in the comp over the last 6 rounds by Champion Data.
Think he's been good but not sure that good. Then again I can't immediately think of someone better (though haven't seen enough of other teams to rate it).

Think people just generally jump to quick without looking at any context tbh. I'm going to assume this is either 'effective kicks' or the Champion Data kick rating system which measures the effectiveness of kicks based against their expected outcome as per the AFL average.

This doesn't mean he's the most creative kick, or the best technical kick, or his kicks lead to scores more often, it simply means he's been the best over the last 6 weeks in hitting kicks effectively based against the likely outcome.

It's not as sexy as it sounds in a tweet, but I do enjoy how it triggers oppo supporters and the like.

 

[Bluelegs]

Stats are stats. They're just numerical data sets based on specific criteria. People who don't understand that context often get frustrated that the data doesn't match their opinions without realizing the difference. It's funny how it generally triggers the same types.

'Best kick in the comp' is an assessment not a stat, what exactly are the stats to back it up? How are they weighted? The way champion data rates things can get a bit fuzzy sometimes and is subject to the biases of the assessors.

Fwiw, I'm actually not surprised Rivers is rated that highly though. He's had some genuinely amazing kicks and plays in some of our scoring chains over the last couple of months. But I wouldn't be surprised if it's just an aberation and it doesn't last.

 

[Lord Nev]

'Best kick in the comp' is an assessment not a stat, what exactly are the stats to back it up? How are they weighted? The way champion data rates things can get a bit fuzzy sometimes and is subject to the biases of the assessors.

Fwiw, I'm actually not surprised Rivers is rated that highly though. He's had some genuinely amazing kicks and plays in some of our scoring chains over the last couple of months. But I wouldn't be surprised if it's just an aberation and it doesn't last.

It's an assessment based on stats - He's going at 20% above the kick rating expectation I mentioned and explained above.

You can listen to it here from around about 15:30 in:



There are no biases in the numbers.

 

[PerfectFooty]

Smokey for our B&F honestly imo

 

[Dory_77]

Smokey for our B&F honestly imo

Feel there's too much ground to make up on Trac/Viney, but a top 3-5 finish definitely on the cards. The usual suspects have dropped off (May, Lever) or been hurt (Gawn, Oliver) for a lot of the year.

 

[Crusty Demon]

Feel there's too much ground to make up on Trac/Viney, but a top 3-5 finish definitely on the cards. The usual suspects have dropped off (May, Lever) or been hurt (Gawn, Oliver) for a lot of the year.

He's definitely been in our best 5 all year. Will be shocked if he doesn't get a top 5 finish.

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

Smokey for our B&F honestly imo

Agree. With 4 coaches rating each player out of 10 for every game, he won't miss many votes.
Probably get nudged out by Trac and Viney but couldn't see him outside the top 4.

 

[Scythe94]

Stand by my claim that he'll be our best player within the next two years (provided he stays in the middle).

Dude is nearly the perfect midfield archetype – big, tough, good with ball in hand, evasive, fast, works hard defensively, strong in the air, good looking.

The whole package

 

[Scythe94]

Simon can get in the bin for making us wait this long as far as I'm concerned

 

[Scythe94]

That being said, signing him up until 2027 before the midfield breakout was good business

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Simon can get in the bin for making us wait this long as far as I'm concerned

Bit of 2021 "but imagine if we didn't win the flag" Topkent vibes, but imagine if Rivers signed elsewhere seeking midfield opportunities that we couldn't provide him and he was playing like this for another team. I'd be so filthy right now.

 

[NorthcoteDee]

Similar trajectory to Richards from the Dishlickers.

 

[Topkent]

Bit of 2021 "but imagine if we didn't win the flag" Topkent vibes, but imagine if Rivers signed elsewhere seeking midfield opportunities that we couldn't provide him and he was playing like this for another team. I'd be so filthy right now.

You bitch

 

[Jamurp]

How did this bloke not go top 15 in the draft, he’s an absolute jet, echo the sentiments above that he’ll be one of our best players very soon.

 

[stEdy]

I remember at the time of the draft when we were rumored to pick Young at 3 - our team said they thought Rivers at 32 could be just as good as Young (and he could win his own ball).

We actually chose a really good year to bottom out in 2019 - that draft was stacked. Also great move to trade the 2020 first round to get Pickett.

Young and Rivers ironically on similar trajectories having moved into midfield full time in 2024.

 

[Bluelegs]

I remember at the time of the draft when we were rumored to pick Young at 3 - our team said they thought Rivers at 32 could be just as good as Young (and he could win his own ball).

Was this in the Oscar winning documentary To Hell and Back?