Retired #29: Jake Kelly - Announces Retirement. Thanks Bull! 2/9

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I like him, and I think he's a better kick than even he thinks he is - just too slow to get it moving by foot, but maybe that's more a problem of lack of movement/targets up the ground?
Looks like he'll never take a backwards step and tries his guts out, things that hopefully will rub off on the young players.
 
Defensively ok but ball in hand and I get nervous.

Laverde has him covered and then some. Ridley is a better user. Stewart has the height to play on the bigger guys. I think they go in front on him.

A great debut by Mass, McGrath finding a spot back, Redman back to his best, Hind providing run, that group seems to be a decent core to start with and then you have the kids like Reid to come in when they are ready.

I would say his spot in not safe at this point in time.
 
eth-dog said:
Genuinely don't understand this viewpoint.

He's probably been our second best defender this year. Membrey couldn't get a kick on him when playing forward.
People are too obsessed with having attacking defenders. Not everyone has to be a Hind or Redman
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Having blokes who can kick the ball matters immensely. We transitioned the ball last night as well as we ever have this year because of the additions of McGrath and D’Ambrosio. McGrath isn’t even a good kick he just doesn’t make the same slow safe decisions that Laverde/Kelly/Cutler/BZT do.
foj1 said:
I don’t agree with this
he is our take on Dylan grimes
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Dylan Grimes is one of the best defenders in the comp. He’s not even as good as Nathan Broad
 

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Ambrosia said:
Having blokes who can kick the ball matters immensely. We transitioned the ball last night as well as we ever have this year because of the additions of McGrath and D’Ambrosio. McGrath isn’t even a good kick he just doesn’t make the same slow safe decisions that Laverde/Kelly/Cutler/BZT do.


Dylan Grimes is one of the best defenders in the comp. He’s not even as good as Nathan Broad
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Of course it does. But having actual defenders is just as, if not more, important.
 
Ambrosia said:
I don’t know how people like this guy. Sure he’s decent defensively but tonight was the 3rd game I’ve seen the opposition identify him as a man not worth manning up. It’s grossly obvious live.

He’s shocking by foot. Much rather Laverde play small
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Guess you do not value a bit of a hard nut who plays defensively. I suppose you where not an Ambrose fan either ?
He is not in the side to rebound. He is in the side to defend so others can rebound. Sure he is not the fastest decision maker but he is not a total turnover merchant. Shocking by foot yet went at 87.5 kicking efficiency. Over his career his kicking efficiency has been 79% plus which is actually rated elite.
Can have the odd bad turnover which people seem to focus on.
 
ant555 said:
Guess you do not value a bit of a hard nut who plays defensively. I suppose you where not an Ambrose fan either ?
He is not in the side to rebound. He is in the side to defend so others can rebound. Sure he is not the fastest decision maker but he is not a total turnover merchant. Shocking by foot yet went at 87.5 kicking efficiency. Over his career his kicking efficiency has been 79% plus which is actually rated elite.
Can have the odd bad turnover which people seem to focus on.
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Kicking efficiency means nothing when you take forever to move the ball on and only go sideways or long down the line.

The aim is to build a side capable of winning a premiership is it not? Who in Melbourne’s backline are as complete non factors by foot as guys like Laverde and Kelly?
Big Ambrose fan who took the oppositions best forward every week when he was a backman but even then I’m not sure he was capable of being part of a top 4 side.
 
Ambrosia said:
Kicking efficiency means nothing when you take forever to move the ball on and only go sideways or long down the line.

The aim is to build a side capable of winning a premiership is it not? Who in Melbourne’s backline are as complete non factors by foot as guys like Laverde and Kelly?
Big Ambrose fan who took the oppositions best forward every week when he was a backman but even then I’m not sure he was capable of being part of a top 4 side.
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Who says Kelly was introduced to be in the next premiership side ?
He is a guy the got to bring some hard defending for 2 or 3 seasons why the developed the younger defenders.
Stop gap players who brings blue collar attitude.
 
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Seb78 said:
I can't get a read on this guy. Definitely tries, and has a crack but not sure if our back 6 has improved or gone backwards since he's been in it. Just doesn't seem to have the smarts.

A FB or CHB that can play a pure defensive role on the big boys it's what's missing for mine. Reid seems like he will be more in the Fletcher/Ridley mode.
With Lav playing on the mediums and perhaps McGrath taking the smalls? Redman and Hind doing the rebound work.it

B: Ridley Reid Laverde
HB: Redman ?? McGrath
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Agree. Ultimately what I'd be looking for is Reid to replace Kelly.

Last night Kelly was fantastic as a stopper releasing McGrath, Hind, Redman and Mass. 17 disposals at 94% looks brilliant, but mostly those disposals were across the backline, distributing to others to drive us forward. It means he knows his limitations and is doing what he's asked to do.

Hodge made the point last night that Reid hasn't yet grown into a man's body. When he does our backline will be awesome because Reid will add to that creative drive out of defence, delivering accurately by foot.

Cox is the puzzle piece I can't figure. I think he's a key position player, but where and in place of who, I'm not sure. Possibly Laverde at CHB. Possibly Stringer in the forwardline.
 
Ambrosia said:
Kicking efficiency means nothing when you take forever to move the ball on and only go sideways or long down the line.

The aim is to build a side capable of winning a premiership is it not? Who in Melbourne’s backline are as complete non factors by foot as guys like Laverde and Kelly?
Big Ambrose fan who took the oppositions best forward every week when he was a backman but even then I’m not sure he was capable of being part of a top 4 side.
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His kicking efficiency last night was vital to the efficiency of others though. We don't have the run from Hind, Mass, McGrath and Redman last night without Kelly releasing them. He played his role.

You're right though re: his weaponry. We'll look better again when Reid takes Kelly's spot in the back six (7).
 
Sounds like the solution is that we should only draft superstars from now on, just good KPDs with great agility, excellent disposal and the ability to lockdown anyone in the comp!

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I'm not a fan of this guy at all, and clearly he's behind Lav, Hind, Ridley, Redman & Heppell - but I thought he was OK last night.....
If he can keep playing at that sort of level he will provide at the very least decent depth until hopefully the likes of Reid, Zerk and/or Brand are able to replace him
 

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The knock on him is his kicking and that he slows the game down too much. If he sticks to what he does best (defending) and feeds the ball as quickly as possible to good ball users then he has great value in the side. Needs to stop finding himself in a position to recieve the ball and leave that to the other five defenders.
 
MarkJohnson#1 said:
The knock on him is his kicking and that he slows the game down too much. If he sticks to what he does best (defending) and feeds the ball as quickly as possible to good ball users then he has great value in the side. Needs to stop finding himself in a position to recieve the ball and leave that to the other five defenders.
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There was a couple that stuck in my mind, twice mass had made space in beautiful position on the 45 in a pocket of space, one of those pockets that comes and goes in moments. Jake saw it, started to kick then stopped himself but in the process the ump called play on, in a rush he had to dump long.

I'm not against the guy, as people say, just feed it off quick by hand to a kicker, like a ruckman would. It's on the players around him to be aware and also on him not to request the switch ball
 
Not a huge fan but can admit he was really good last night. Was pivotal in fact. He kept pushing into the hole so Max or Marshall didn’t get a good run at it. Still a few things that annoyed me like disposal and spoiling Martin in the first when he should have been protecting his space but an improved team based performance.
 
foj1 said:
I don’t agree with this
he is our take on Dylan grimes
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Dylan Grimes is taller and can take the dangerous small pocket. He's also capable of playing in a zone-type defense that Richmond rocked in their peak. Also he's a douche who leads with his head to get frees. I hope he has accrued brain injury as a punishment.
 
The people bagging Kelly are the same ones who think anyone not in the best 22 need to be traded or delisted.

It does not surprise me that Kellys best game so far this year coincided with our midfield pressure being good. He could actually play good defensive coverage because the ball did not continually come in unopposed.
 
Ambrosia said:
Why can’t we get guys who can do both?
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How many in the league can do that, period? You get Kelly types so Hind types don't need to do that.
 
eth-dog said:
Of course it does. But having actual defenders is just as, if not more, important.
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yeah, no point having plenty of rebounding defenders when its the umpire is getting the most R50s taking the ball back to the center circle.
Need the no nonsense defenders who can put forwards on a leash. Kelly is that player
 
ant555 said:
Guess you do not value a bit of a hard nut who plays defensively. I suppose you where not an Ambrose fan either ?
He is not in the side to rebound. He is in the side to defend so others can rebound. Sure he is not the fastest decision maker but he is not a total turnover merchant. Shocking by foot yet went at 87.5 kicking efficiency. Over his career his kicking efficiency has been 79% plus which is actually rated elite.
Can have the odd bad turnover which people seem to focus on.
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100% agree with this sentiment. Everyone screaming out for a balanced midfield should also consider what a balanced defensive unit looks like. Kelly wears opponents like a glove and can go to a variety of match ups which means he can easily switch if a particular forward gets hot (barring the number 1 & 2 talls).

He is good enough with ball in hand to not be a problem.. If we are pressuring adequately via a competitive midfield, disciplined transition and consistent forward press there will be plenty of rebound without Kelly being the instigator.
 
Seemed to give the first option handball on Friday night. And more quickly which was good.

Hopefully he can continue to build good understanding and more attacking cohesion with the rest of the defense and form a strong unit over the rest of the season.
 
Ambrosia said:
I don’t know how people like this guy. Sure he’s decent defensively but tonight was the 3rd game I’ve seen the opposition identify him as a man not worth manning up
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Well, yeah, he's a defensive defender. Why would you man a guy up who's job it is to beat your forward.

You man up the offensive defenders.
 
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