Autopsy 2nd Elimination Final, 2023: St.Kilda v GWS *WEBSTER 150TH* *BATTLE 100TH*

[Present Not Past]

A tough off season under RTB will sort the wheat from the chaff, those who want to work hard will stay and those who don't will be gone.

Our players got a free pass last off season as RTB had only just been appointed and couldn't wield the axe but there are no free passes now.

That's true. However, if you replace players with nobodies you end up like Norf.
Nowhere.

 

[stavro#4]

What I've wrapped my head around is that he doesn't reach on the lead or make coherent leads, both before and after the shoulder.

What I haven't wrapped my head around is how you can't understand this very simple concept.

I suppose one has to 'know football' to address everything but the point.

Just because it’s the most recent in my memory.

Kings last goal. The last goal of the game.

Remind me how he gets in position to get the ball if he doesn’t lead…

And then can you describe the mark he takes….


Happy for any other poster to take screenshots and post.

 

[NoisyMinor]

Just because it’s the most recent in my memory.

Kings last goal. The last goal of the game.

Remind me how he gets in position to get the ball if he doesn’t lead…

And then can you describe the mark he takes….


Happy for any other poster to take screenshots and post.

You mean the same game where had a meter on his opponent and opted for the chest mark, which got spoiled?

See, I can already remember more of the game than you can.

 

[DarkSaint]

The problem starts with the leaders

Steele
Sinclair
Ross
Membrey
Wilkie

Only one of them played well and that was Steele. The others sh!t the bed and played their worse games of the season all at once.

Reputations are made is finals, no point being AA when you get shown up on the big stage.

 

[phantom13]

Just because it’s the most recent in my memory.

Kings last goal. The last goal of the game.

Remind me how he gets in position to get the ball if he doesn’t lead…

And then can you describe the mark he takes….


Happy for any other poster to take screenshots and post.

I won’t speak for others but you’ve seriously misread my post.

Max can (and probably will) be the best key forward in the comp. His pure athletic potential and ability make that a cold hard fact but…

At times he looks completely and utterly disinterested, he switches off any sort of intensity and just sort of lopes around hoping the ball or a free kick falls his way rather than attacking it. Obviously I don’t expect him to go and kill himself chasing every single rebound 50 but if he lifted that intensity and work rate just 5% he’d be damn near unstoppable, 10% and the comp would be ****ed.

He’s had a stack of setbacks no doubt and I’m still not convinced him coming back this year with the shoulder was the right decision but if he’s out there he gets judged as fully fit.

Not a single saints supporter wants to see him fail and very very few want him traded (I certainly don’t) but he could be a 100 goal a year forward or he could continue being one of the best 5-10 key forwards in the comp. Nothing wrong with the latter but he’s capable of more, if he wants it.

 

[NoisyMinor]

The problem starts with the leaders

Steele
Sinclair
Ross
Membrey
Wilkie

Only one of them played well and that was Steele. The others sh!t the bed and played their worse games of the season all at once.

Reputations are made is finals, no point being AA when you get shown up on the big stage.

To be fair, Membrey couldn't have shit the bed as he wasn't on the ground.

 

[stavro#4]

You mean the same game where had a meter on his opponent and opted for the chest mark, which got spoiled?

See, I can already remember more of the game than you can.

Your argument was that he doesn’t reach or make coherent leads.

I just asked you to describe his third goal. Which was the final goal of the game.

Here I’ll help with images.

 

[NoisyMinor]

Your argument was that he doesn’t reach or make coherent leads.

I just asked you to describe his third goal. Which was the final goal of the game.

Here I’ll help with images.

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Wowee, do you have some phenomenally poor comprehensive skills.

Come back to me when you can forensically analyse something other than the head of your dick.

 

[stavro#4]

I won’t speak for others but you’ve seriously misread my post.

Max can (and probably will) be the best key forward in the comp. His pure athletic potential and ability make that a cold hard fact but…

At times he looks completely and utterly disinterested, he switches off any sort of intensity and just sort of lopes around hoping the ball or a free kick falls his way rather than attacking it. Obviously I don’t expect him to go and kill himself chasing every single rebound 50 but if he lifted that intensity and work rate just 5% he’d be damn near unstoppable, 10% and the comp would be ****ed.

He’s had a stack of setbacks no doubt and I’m still not convinced him coming back this year with the shoulder was the right decision but if he’s out there he gets judged as fully fit.

Not a single saints supporter wants to see him fail and very very few want him traded (I certainly don’t) but he could be a 100 goal a year forward or he could continue being one of the best 5-10 key forwards in the comp. Nothing wrong with the latter but he’s capable of more, if he wants it.

He is 23 mate.

We are nailing a kid for demeanour at 23 and is practically averaging 2 goals a game across his career and will be in 12 months time.

Are we as supporters not at this point picking at shit from frustration?

His most recent game prior to today. He got a holding the ball free kick against Geelong.

If he wasn’t bringing the RTB non negotiables he wouldn’t be playing.

Can he Improve? Hell yes
Is he the finished product? Hell no

But anyone thinking King isn’t close to being a star is blind or blinkered at what we have.

And 100 goals a year….. do those forwards exist anymore?

 

[stavro#4]

What I've wrapped my head around is that he doesn't reach on the lead or make coherent leads, both before and after the shoulder.

Wowee, do you have some phenomenally poor comprehensive skills.

Come back to me when you can forensically analyse something other than the head of your dick.

This is you, isn’t it?

Your argument was that he doesn’t reach or make coherent leads.

I just asked you to describe his third goal. Which was the final goal of the game.

Here I’ll help with images.

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[NoisyMinor]

This is you, isn’t it?

This is a lead, is it?

All you've proven is that he CAN raise his arms. Try again.

 

[tomjoad]

I won’t speak for others but you’ve seriously misread my post.

Max can (and probably will) be the best key forward in the comp. His pure athletic potential and ability make that a cold hard fact but…

At times he looks completely and utterly disinterested, he switches off any sort of intensity and just sort of lopes around hoping the ball or a free kick falls his way rather than attacking it. Obviously I don’t expect him to go and kill himself chasing every single rebound 50 but if he lifted that intensity and work rate just 5% he’d be damn near unstoppable, 10% and the comp would be ****ed.

He’s had a stack of setbacks no doubt and I’m still not convinced him coming back this year with the shoulder was the right decision but if he’s out there he gets judged as fully fit.

Not a single saints supporter wants to see him fail and very very few want him traded (I certainly don’t) but he could be a 100 goal a year forward or he could continue being one of the best 5-10 key forwards in the comp. Nothing wrong with the latter but he’s capable of more, if he wants it.

Good post. Agree with all of it.

 

[stavro#4]

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This is a lead, is it?

All you've proven is that he CAN raise his arms. Try again.

I provided you with 2 images.

The first image which you conveniently omitted shows king clear of Taylor having led back deep into 50.

Which means he has to lead up and then back again to beat Taylor and command the ball.

 

[NoisyMinor]

I provided you with 2 images.

The first image which you conveniently omitted shows king clear of Taylor having led back deep into 50.

Which means he has to lead up and then back again to beat Taylor and command the ball.

4th man up is not a lead.

Guess someone 'doesn't know football'.

Care to address the actual lead that resulted in a failed chest mark, or have you conveniently ignored that one?

 

[Plugger35]

The problem starts with the leaders

Steele
Sinclair
Ross
Membrey
Wilkie

Only one of them played well and that was Steele. The others sh!t the bed and played their worse games of the season all at once.

Reputations are made is finals, no point being AA when you get shown up on the big stage.

A lot of focus going on King but our two AA players in Sinclair and Wilkie were more disappointing, they played their worst games of the year.

Can't be too critical of them though as without them we wouldn't have even been playing finals.

 

[Speck]

I won’t speak for others but you’ve seriously misread my post.

Max can (and probably will) be the best key forward in the comp. His pure athletic potential and ability make that a cold hard fact but…

At times he looks completely and utterly disinterested, he switches off any sort of intensity and just sort of lopes around hoping the ball or a free kick falls his way rather than attacking it. Obviously I don’t expect him to go and kill himself chasing every single rebound 50 but if he lifted that intensity and work rate just 5% he’d be damn near unstoppable, 10% and the comp would be ****ed.

He’s had a stack of setbacks no doubt and I’m still not convinced him coming back this year with the shoulder was the right decision but if he’s out there he gets judged as fully fit.

Not a single saints supporter wants to see him fail and very very few want him traded (I certainly don’t) but he could be a 100 goal a year forward or he could continue being one of the best 5-10 key forwards in the comp. Nothing wrong with the latter but he’s capable of more, if he wants it.

Spot on. He will always be a good full forward, but will he become a great full forward is the question.

It could be a Daniher like career or a Buddy like career. I feel like we've been waiting for that "next step" for a while now. Becoming a consistent AA level player and competing in the Coleman. Of course injuries haven't helped this year.

 

[StCicatriz]

You need to play AFL to not lift your arms and mark in front of you?

Next year he's 24, then only one more year he's 25, then - guess what - he's 26.

Seems you don't know valid excuses.

Well you've been able to increment the count by three. That's atleast two more than freo supporters can do. Well done!

 

[StCicatriz]

You mean the same game where had a meter on his opponent and opted for the chest mark, which got spoiled?

See, I can already remember more of the game than you can.

Nick Riewoldt did the same in a grand final. What a spud!

 

[StCicatriz]

Wowee, do you have some phenomenally poor comprehensive skills.

Come back to me when you can forensically analyse something other than the head of your dick.

Bit weird you're bringing up another blokes dick completely unprompted...

 

[NoisyMinor]

Bit weird you're bringing up another blokes dick completely unprompted...

Would you prefer mine?

 

[StCicatriz]

Would you prefer mine?

Right... totally normal response... not weird at all

 

[jwint43]

That doesn’t really paint the entire picture.

Could genuinely count 5 times Briggs ripped it out of the ruck and got first possession.

Roma had a good game as a midfielder but he definitely wasn’t great at the actual ruck craft.

Briggs has done that to everyone, no coincedence that they have changed as a team since he's been in

 

[tomjoad]

Max has been hindered this year, and missed most the season, yet still was a couple of goals short if being our leading goal kicker. I reckon he would've got close to 60 if he played the year, and potentially 70 if we had Membrey playing consistently, and didn't have injuries to mids.
However he lacks any form of pressure and as others have said he looks gassed after five minutes of playing. I can understand why that pisses quite a few off. He isn't a protected species and should be held to account by fans for what does wrong (within reason of course...so please, no dick pics) For mine, he just doesn't impose himself enough to warrant the hype around him...yet.
This is his 4th year -5th if you count 2019 where he didn't play at all. That's enough to have more of a presence than what he does.
I'm looking forward to seeing him after pre-season. Next year will hopefully be his year. We're a more professional outfit now, and less tolerant of bulls*it, that ought to shine through in his game.

* And yeah...by the way...there is still room for centurion goal kickers. I reckon they're due a comeback. For my 2 cents worth, I believe that Coleman's shouldn't be handed out UNLESS you score 100 goals. Otherwise it should be no more than a Nespresso machine or a 500 dollar "One 4 All" Voucher.

 

[Veer Right]

Cordy fanclub very quiet tonight

It's 10% about Cordy and 90% how much we don't like Dougal and don't rate him.

It would be great if Van Ess could come on quickly yet in the interim i will take Cordy every day and then some if it's between him and Howard.

 

[HunterClarksHeadband]

Shattered.
Knew we'd get done (pessimism always present) but truly didn't expect the GWS domination I witnessed today.
Literally everything went right for them - the way they just walked the ball out of D50, gaining 30m's on EVERY kick in, complete domination with ball in hand today. Shame for a good season to end like that. Where the f*ck are we going to get midfielders to fix this mess?
Side note - a few itk rumour texts going around re: Membrey and it sounds incredibly serious. Crossing my fingers it's just a minor situation.