30% of Forward Entries to Burton

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What I would like to know is, if 30% of all forward entries are directed at Burton, who the hell is getting the other 70%, and what are they doing with it?
Maybe if Tex were to throw himself into the fry and spoil some of the balls directed at Burton / Tippett, he may get more touches and maybe more shots at the sticks.
 
beartoo said:
Statistics don't tell the entire story, but a check of comparative stats between Walker and Burton may lead you to the conclusion about why Burton is playing and not Walker:
Burton 62 disposals 8 clangers 11 tackles 70.97 efficiency 4 frees against 6 frees for.
Walker 50 disposals 5 clangers 10 tackles 58 % efficiency 3 frees against 2 frees for.

Walker and Burton are both getting a tad over 12 disposals per game. There is a marked difference in efficiency.

If you look further and check out Tippett and Porps you find
Tippett 38 disposals 11 clangers 4 tackles efficiency 44.74% 5 frees against 4 frees for.
Porps 50 disposals 7 clangers 16 tackles 58% efficiency 2 frees against 3 frees for.

If Tippett wasn't needed as a backup ruckman, there would be a strong argument for dropping him, not Burton, in favour of Walker or McKernan. Just over 7 disposals per game is passenger status and the efficiency rating below what is acceptable for an AFL footballer.

Burton's stats might help quell some of the irrational hysteria on this thread about him being a blundering idiot who charges around the forward line getting in everyone's way, giving away free kicks constantly, having brain fades, missing targets and being unwilling to chase or tackle. No coach, whatever you may think of Craig, would pick such a player. Get real!

This bloke has played for our club for more than a decade and been a first choice player by three coaches. I guess they know nothing. He has always been one of the whipping boys on here, but since the lamented Rob Shirley departed, he's copping more.

Find another target. At present there are plenty more in our side doing less than this bloke.
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I was not getting involved in this any more .
But come on you are arguing a point which of course is fine but on this occasion have not taken any notice of the subject title.
Re 30% of entries are going to Burton so his stats should be over 3 times any other player along with scoring potential .
Sorry those are facts and surely a lot of Tippetts form not all but a lot comes from starved and losing confidence .
Also is a fact that the coaches love him and could turn a game but those days are over along with Tyson who was a champion but clear signs were there end of last year on both.
I dislike his style because it selfish and spasmodic at best but those thoughts of individual but this subject is why is he getting 30% of entries and with his return you showed doesnt warrant that focus.
Last week pushed up field more and Tippett in 1st half started to mark and guess who was jumping into him a lot in 2nd half.
 

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beartoo said:
Statistics don't tell the entire story, but a check of comparative stats between Walker and Burton may lead you to the conclusion about why Burton is playing and not Walker:
Burton 62 disposals 8 clangers 11 tackles 70.97 efficiency 4 frees against 6 frees for.
Walker 50 disposals 5 clangers 10 tackles 58 % efficiency 3 frees against 2 frees for.

Walker and Burton are both getting a tad over 12 disposals per game. There is a marked difference in efficiency.

If you look further and check out Tippett and Porps you find
Tippett 38 disposals 11 clangers 4 tackles efficiency 44.74% 5 frees against 4 frees for.
Porps 50 disposals 7 clangers 16 tackles 58% efficiency 2 frees against 3 frees for.

If Tippett wasn't needed as a backup ruckman, there would be a strong argument for dropping him, not Burton, in favour of Walker or McKernan. Just over 7 disposals per game is passenger status and the efficiency rating below what is acceptable for an AFL footballer.

Burton's stats might help quell some of the irrational hysteria on this thread about him being a blundering idiot who charges around the forward line getting in everyone's way, giving away free kicks constantly, having brain fades, missing targets and being unwilling to chase or tackle. No coach, whatever you may think of Craig, would pick such a player. Get real!

This bloke has played for our club for more than a decade and been a first choice player by three coaches. I guess they know nothing. He has always been one of the whipping boys on here, but since the lamented Rob Shirley departed, he's copping more.

Find another target. At present there are plenty more in our side doing less than this bloke.
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I take it thats a no.
 
beartoo said:
Burton's stats might help quell some of the irrational hysteria on this thread about ...
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You seem to be of the opinion that facts will convince other posters of the truth of your argument :eek:

A quick perusal of any of the threads here should dispel that notion fairly quickly.

(good analysis BTW)
 
Chris Crouch said:
You seem to be of the opinion that facts will convince other posters of the truth of your argument :eek:

A quick perusal of any of the threads here should dispel that notion fairly quickly.

(good analysis BTW)
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Burton has also picked his nose 3 more times, but walker has taken 7 more paces, shouted well done 4 more times, and pulled his jocks out of his arse crack an amazing 12 more times.

Try comparing apples with apples if you want to use stats to base an arguement. Are you trying to tell me they were both playing FF at the same time and Burtons stats were better. :confused:

Seriously if you must fall upon stats to mount your arguement try and make them relevant.
 
Vader said:
I would be surprised if less than 30% of our F50 entries go to Burton this week. Consider our forwards (we've only selected 3 of them) - Burton, Tippett and Porplyzia.

Porplyzia's form has been so bad lately that we're effectively playing with 17 men when he's on the ground. Can't see why any F50 entries would be directed his way at all. Actually, I can't see why he's been named in the team and Walker missed out - forget the Stevens saga, I'd love to hear the justification for Porplyzia's ongoing selection at present.

Tippett's going to be spending 50% of his time in the ruck, thanks to our failure to select a 2nd ruckman to support Maric.

Burton is thus our only full-time forward. It's no great surprise that he gets the bulk of the F50 entries directed his way. It also helps that he also seems to be winning the bulk of the contests when the ball is directed his way - particularly when it's hitting him on the lead (rather than the speccy leap). What he does with the ball once he's earned the free or taken the mark, now that's an entirely different question.
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Porps looked better last week so might be coming into some form.

You would expect 30% to go to the leading forward (if not more). Burton's one on one work has also been excellent this year.
 
craig crowing said:
Could not have put it any better.
Why do people think so many passionate supporters feel this guy so overated and now well and truly reached a used by date .
Do people think the reason is because of his big nose or something :rolleyes:
The guy wrecks any sort of forward co ordination and absoloutely no inclination to do any team things like chase or tackle or put someone in a better position:mad:
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here's a challenge for you - watch the game and make a note every time Burton chases or tackles or puts someone in a better position. compare that to the other forwards and then report back.
 
beartoo said:
Statistics don't tell the entire story, but a check of comparative stats between Walker and Burton may lead you to the conclusion about why Burton is playing and not Walker:
Burton 62 disposals 8 clangers 11 tackles 70.97 efficiency 4 frees against 6 frees for.
Walker 50 disposals 5 clangers 10 tackles 58 % efficiency 3 frees against 2 frees for.

Walker and Burton are both getting a tad over 12 disposals per game. There is a marked difference in efficiency.

If you look further and check out Tippett and Porps you find
Tippett 38 disposals 11 clangers 4 tackles efficiency 44.74% 5 frees against 4 frees for.
Porps 50 disposals 7 clangers 16 tackles 58% efficiency 2 frees against 3 frees for.

If Tippett wasn't needed as a backup ruckman, there would be a strong argument for dropping him, not Burton, in favour of Walker or McKernan. Just over 7 disposals per game is passenger status and the efficiency rating below what is acceptable for an AFL footballer.

Burton's stats might help quell some of the irrational hysteria on this thread about him being a blundering idiot who charges around the forward line getting in everyone's way, giving away free kicks constantly, having brain fades, missing targets and being unwilling to chase or tackle. No coach, whatever you may think of Craig, would pick such a player. Get real!

This bloke has played for our club for more than a decade and been a first choice player by three coaches. I guess they know nothing. He has always been one of the whipping boys on here, but since the lamented Rob Shirley departed, he's copping more.

Find another target. At present there are plenty more in our side doing less than this bloke.
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Isolated statistics, useless ratings..
Where are these possessions taken and so what pressure and what options does the player have.
Efficiency is a laughable stat more that's mostly about cohesion and field position.
Equal 12th in the league in skill errors are both Scott Thompson ans Brett Burton. Now you can be sure of who has more access to the ball and more opportunity to make errors. These players are prolific shanks of the ball and with limited possession Myke Cook has managed 12 to their 16.
Yet certain people sing his praises. Give me a break, more of this ilk are exactly what's not wanted in the side.

Let's take some more stats into play
Inside 50s Burton 6, Walker 14
This is the issue at hand.
Goal Assists Burton 1, Walker 0

If you want a simple reason why he's getting omitted you could take that one.
I'd be playing him anyway and directing him to kick it to Tipett, make it very simple for him.
As long as Tipett is up and moving now.

Vader
Against the dogs, porplyzia had 2.1 and 1 goal assist from limited opportunity up forward.
Kurt Tipett kicked 3.1 also entertaining ruck contests and being used limitedly
Burton had 2 goals and 1 assist as the main target up forward.
So these three had around equal scoreboard influence.

Everyone knows who is being directed to.

That players are suggested to be required to lead so many times to be kicked the ball is a team problem, that players create issues in their forward line with their continuous leads is problematic.

If Craig wants to be placing basketball tactics throughout the field where are they up forward and at stoppages.
Where are the screens, where are the fundamental shepherds for team mates.

Dangerfield with his limited exposure to the mid-field still leads our contested possession, that's great and all for him but it's pathetic for everyone else.

Being last in the league in contested and 1st possession makes for losing with no pressure and poor skills.
 
http://www.afc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/4417/newsid/93379/default.aspx

Craig said the decision to give Walker another week in the SANFL was based on team balance.

“If we went with Taylor up forward it would leave us short in some areas, which we can’t afford to have,” Craig said.

“In fairness to Taylor he’s still a very young and developing player. He’s made some improvements in some areas that we spoke to him last year about, particularly in his contested ball and he’ll get his opportunity.

"He’s just not improving the way people expected him to be, but he will because he’s got a lot of talent.

“Just at the moment we can’t get him into the side based on the set up and the injuries that we have because we need to make sure we’ve got maximum flexibility.”
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sounds like his contested ball is still an issue

and we are #16 in the comp
 

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SydCrow said:
OK why has Tex been dropped?

pretend you are a selector not a "passionate" fan
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Contested ball may be an issue, but the way you wrote your post was as if his lack of contested ball was a factor in our 16th ranking. His abscence will not make one bit of difference.

As for why was he dropped? Because he doesnt play wing and half back very well. They are trying to turn him into something he is not. He is a forward, he has an opportunity to play that position against Freo and kicks 4. He then only gets small opportunities in that role. Against Carlton at the end of the 3rd qtr, he kicks a late goal when he was playing up forward. What happens at the start of the 4th? He starts on the bench then goes back to the wing.

Craig his messing with this kid's head and just needs to play him up forward for a few weeks in a row, let his confidence grow not destroy it.
 
SydCrow said:
http://www.afc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/4417/newsid/93379/default.aspx



sounds like his contested ball is still an issue

and we are #16 in the comp
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Garbage, he has half the contested possession per game of the midfielders.
Skapegoatism at it's finest. Doughty is around the same stat.

The issue with him is making a target, 14 inside 50s zero goal assists.
Coupled with that contested marks but these can only come from opportunity.
But it's notable his contested marking needs work.

This still places him in the side easily.

Petrenko and Cook. Whether there is or isn't an old boys club mentality are not up to standard.
Petrenko appears to be getting worse and making less effort where as Cooks ball skills are quite poor.
 
They don't play him because he's weak. There, you wanted a reason and there it is. Letting him keep getting flogged in the A's as they run off him isn't the panacea you say, regardless of how hard you shout it.
 
frednerk33 said:
They don't play him because he's weak. There, you wanted a reason and there it is. Letting him keep getting flogged in the A's as they run off him isn't the panacea you say, regardless of how hard you shout it.
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I don't think anyone in the AFL is weak.
 
SydCrow said:
http://www.afc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/4417/newsid/93379/default.aspx
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bullshit.jpg
 
Yeah you're right - more BS from the coach - how about this then:

Tex played four games as a key forward - he couldn't find the ball in his last two so the coach played him up the ground in an attempt to get him into the game (a la Franklin)

Didn't work, we can't carry him any longer so out he goes

Nah - the real reason is Craigie just hates him cos he's young and he wants to keep playing his mates
 
SydCrow said:
Yeah you're right - more BS from the coach - how about this then:

Tex played four games as a key forward - he couldn't find the ball in his last two so the coach played him up the ground in an attempt to get him into the game (a la Franklin)

Didn't work, we can't carry him any longer so out he goes

Nah - the real reason is Craigie just hates him cos he's young and he wants to keep playing his mates
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Kicked 4 goals first game of th season pushed further up ground next burton comes back hes down half back with cameos forward.

Several crows players walk into the side regardless of form at this time noone is actually competing for their spot except Walker who has an uphill battle in that he's being attempted to being moulded into another scott stevens.
Is this something anyone would actually want in their side around the league?
He walks into Adelaides side. I see there is that pace you wanted Craig the slowest backline in the league is going to get slaughtered.

There is no setup for Walker to play an AFL type game in the SANFL it's a different ball game, it is impossible to work on aspects of his game playing under a different coach in a position he also won't be playing even if he came back. He's not going to fit with the structure as long as preferential treatment continues.

The biggest idiots on here say there is no way he is getting in after the melbourne game. You guys mean the one where he generally outplayed our woeful mid-fielders made 5 tackles was one of the only players willing to kick the ball?

Every reasoning Craig has presented has fallen short in the players he continues to field instead as they contribute absolutely nil.

Not selecting Walker is not in the best interest of the football club in any way, the versatility problem is in the coaches box far more then Walkers game.

I couldn't be less impressed by our forward pockets. They do so little at ground level that having them just for the sake of smalls is pointless.
If they can't actually perform the job.
 
Just saw this in another thread.

Bet you guys wish you had
Modra back right about now.

Damon_3388 said:
I've posted this elsewhere, but it's relevant here too - Tony Modra kicked 5 goals or more in 24 of his first 37 AFL games:

  • 2nd game (Round 9, 1992) - 5 goals, 3 behinds
  • 3rd game (Round 10, 1992) - 5 goals, 2 behinds
  • 6th game (Round 19, 1992) - 7 goals, 0 behinds
  • 9th game (Round 1, 1993) - 10 goals, 3 behinds
  • 10th game (Round 2, 1993) - 6 goals, 1 behinds
  • 11th game (Round 4, 1993) - 6 goals, 2 behinds
  • 12th game (Round 5, 1993) - 5 goals, 2 behinds
  • 13th game (Round 6, 1993) - 7 goals, 3 behinds
  • 14th game (Round 7, 1993) - 5 goals, 1 behind
  • 15th game (Round 8, 1993) - 10 goals, 1 behind
  • 17th game (Round 10, 1993) - 7 goals, 5 behinds
  • 18th game (Round 11, 1993) - 7 goals, 5 behinds
  • 21st game (Round 14, 1993) - 5 goals, 2 behinds
  • 22nd game (Round 15, 1993) - 7 goals, 1 behind
  • 23rd game (Round 16, 1993) - 13 goals, 4 behinds
  • 25th game (Round 19, 1993) - 7 goals, 2 behinds
  • 27th game (Round 21, 1993) - 5 goals, 1 behind
  • 28th game (Round 22, 1993) - 5 goals, 3 behinds
  • 31st game (Preliminary Final, 1993) - 6 goals, 1 behind
  • 32nd game (Round 1, 1994) - 13 goals, 3 behinds
  • 34th game (Round 4, 1994) - 5 goals, 1 behind
  • 35th game (Round 5, 1994) - 7 goals, 3 behinds
  • 36th game (Round 6, 1994) - 6 goals, 2 behinds
  • 37th game (Round 8, 1994) - 6 goals, 4 behinds
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