Player Watch #30: Reece Conca

[TigerImposter]

If fit. Hes been fit for the majority of his playing career BAR THIS YEAR. His inconsistentcy between run of games has been his issue. His best is very good. His worst is still good and better than our draftees

He hasn't been fit for his whole playing career . Get your facts right
What inconsistencies between run of games? So are you now saying he's never been that good , which was my original post?or is it bc he's not fit enough?
Make up your mind

 

[tunksy]

He hasn't been fit for his whole playing career . Get your facts right
What inconsistencies between run of games? So are you now saying he's never been that good , which was my original post?or is it bc he's not fit enough?
Make up your mind

How many games has he missed prior to this year? Get your facts right. Read my post again. Ive never said hes not good enough. Nor that he's not fit enough. Haha

 

[TigerImposter]

How many games has he missed prior to this year? Get your facts right. Read my post again. Ive never said hes not good enough. Nor that he's not fit enough. Haha

What inconsistencies and why is he inconsistent. Stop ducking the point you raised .Inconsistent means hes an average player who has not taken the next step OR he's been hampered due to injuries IMO.
He's done about two full Preseasons out of 5 if he's lucky.Remember he missed 2014 preseason due to the EF .Four preseasons have been interrupted and not complete. Generally with light duties to get him ready early.
He's played 74 out of a total of 113 games.Almost two complete seasons missed
Why the haha?it's a discussion not a giggling contest

 

[RockJobster0312]

What inconsistencies and why is he inconsistent. Stop ducking the point you raised .Inconsistent means hes an average player who has not taken the next step OR he's been hampered due to injuries IMO.
He's done about two full Preseasons out of 5 if he's lucky.Remember he missed 2014 preseason due to the EF .Four preseasons have been interrupted and not complete. Generally with light duties to get him ready early.
He's played 74 out of a total of 113 games.Almost two complete seasons missed
Why the haha?it's a discussion not a giggling contest

Im trying to actually ascertain your point. I don't think that anyone is going to deny Conca has had an injury plagued career, but are you suggesting he cannot be a good player because he has been injury prone? Why cant the games he has shown of quality be good enough?

You wanna throw games missed and stats around. Jesse Hogan has played less than 50% of games possible over his career, and has had significant knee and back injuries. Is he not a good player because of he's injuries? Or in our own backyard, Kamdyn McIntosh did miss two full seasons of AFL football. By your theory he must be a poor player too, seemingly with no hope of improvement.

The if fit and when fit is a moniker used for all players at all clubs. One would use it on Jaegar O'Meara for the GC after missing an entire year. The same moniker is ised on Morabito and Daniel Menzal deapite missing multiple seasons with injuries that are far worse tha Conca's. Are they deemed poor players?

Again, why can't we use an if fit/ when fit moniker?

 

[RememberRoyce]

Im trying to actually ascertain your point. I don't think that anyone is going to deny Conca has had an injury plagued career, but are you suggesting he cannot be a good player because he has been injury prone? Why cant the games he has shown of quality be good enough?

You wanna throw games missed and stats around. Jesse Hogan has played less than 50% of games possible over his career, and has had significant knee and back injuries. Is he not a good player because of he's injuries? Or in our own backyard, Kamdyn McIntosh did miss two full seasons of AFL football. By your theory he must be a poor player too, seemingly with no hope of improvement.

The if fit and when fit is a moniker used for all players at all clubs. One would use it on Jaegar O'Meara for the GC after missing an entire year. The same moniker is ised on Morabito and Daniel Menzal deapite missing multiple seasons with injuries that are far worse tha Conca's. Are they deemed poor players?

Again, why can't we use an if fit/ when fit moniker?

I agree with your point. Although Morabito is probably not a good example.
I just had a quick look at Conca's stats from year 1 and he played 'most of the games' for the first 4 years, getting around 15-25 possies, averaging over 3 tackles. Not bad...but we all wanted a gun with that pick. He frustrates me as a player to watch similar to how Tucky and Jacko did (but the final 2-3 years of their careers they were more than serviceable).
Surely TI you can see he's better than Tucky and Jacko and is very good 'depth' for our midfield??

If he continues to get soft tissue injuries, his next contract will be reflective of that (ie. short term/lower $$) and we will have a 'serviceable' player. If Cellis/Moore/Townsend all overtake him AND Reece is seen as surplus, we should be able to get something for him as a trade.

 

[tunksy]

What inconsistencies and why is he inconsistent. Stop ducking the point you raised .Inconsistent means hes an average player who has not taken the next step OR he's been hampered due to injuries IMO.
He's done about two full Preseasons out of 5 if he's lucky.Remember he missed 2014 preseason due to the EF .Four preseasons have been interrupted and not complete. Generally with light duties to get him ready early.
He's played 74 out of a total of 113 games.Almost two complete seasons missed
Why the haha?it's a discussion not a giggling contest

He has been inconsistent in his performance due to coping small niggles or getting suspended. This year is the first that hes missed so many games. Pretty simple to understand. Inconsistent doesn't mean hes average. It means hes incondistent. Dont try and change that definition to suit your opinion. No hes hasnt done two full preseason out of 5. Last year was his most complete preseason and then he copped his injury. Considering that hes shown a hell of a lot of talent imo. Yes almost two missed with the vast majority of that this year and bits and pieces through each other year. Games played per year wouldve been a more accurate statistic for you to use.

Im allowed to 'giggle' at your 'opinion' in no way have I attacked you personally.

 

[TigerImposter]

Im trying to actually ascertain your point. I don't think that anyone is going to deny Conca has had an injury plagued career, but are you suggesting he cannot be a good player because he has been injury prone? Why cant the games he has shown of quality be good enough?

You wanna throw games missed and stats around. Jesse Hogan has played less than 50% of games possible over his career, and has had significant knee and back injuries. Is he not a good player because of he's injuries? Or in our own backyard, Kamdyn McIntosh did miss two full seasons of AFL football. By your theory he must be a poor player too, seemingly with no hope of improvement.

The if fit and when fit is a moniker used for all players at all clubs. One would use it on Jaegar O'Meara for the GC after missing an entire year. The same moniker is ised on Morabito and Daniel Menzal deapite missing multiple seasons with injuries that are far worse tha Conca's. Are they deemed poor players?

Again, why can't we use an if fit/ when fit moniker?

No RL you've missed my point. I said to date he has not been a good player due possibly to his injuries , but he still hasn't shown enough that he is going to be a good player after 74 gigs
Whereas to the suggestion of someone saying he's a good player with inconsistencies without explaining these inconsistencies or why they exist. Yet they're in the deluded state of believing he's a good player.
Massive difference and only Reece on the park will prove who's wrong in the future

 

[TigerImposter]

I agree with your point. Although Morabito is probably not a good example.
I just had a quick look at Conca's stats from year 1 and he played 'most of the games' for the first 4 years, getting around 15-25 possies, averaging over 3 tackles. Not bad...but we all wanted a gun with that pick. He frustrates me as a player to watch similar to how Tucky and Jacko did (but the final 2-3 years of their careers they were more than serviceable).
Surely TI you can see he's better than Tucky and Jacko and is very good 'depth' for our midfield??

If he continues to get soft tissue injuries, his next contract will be reflective of that (ie. short term/lower $$) and we will have a 'serviceable' player. If Cellis/Moore/Townsend all overtake him AND Reece is seen as surplus, we should be able to get something for him as a trade.

Jacko won a JD medal and was a lot harder than a Conca and was used for a different purpose. Put Conca on Ablett and see if he can keep him to less possessions and kick a couple on him.
Jacko was a hard tagger and would have been useful last year in the EF
Tuck was also hard and tough and an inside player and could still rack them up .conca couldn't get in the coal face like him, but his skills are better than both those boys . I think you're comparing him to the wrong blokes bc Townsdnd and Moore were added to the list obviously bc we were deficient here once the Tuck and Jacko retired

 

[Mr Magic]

Im trying to actually ascertain your point. I don't think that anyone is going to deny Conca has had an injury plagued career, but are you suggesting he cannot be a good player because he has been injury prone? Why cant the games he has shown of quality be good enough?

You wanna throw games missed and stats around. Jesse Hogan has played less than 50% of games possible over his career, and has had significant knee and back injuries. Is he not a good player because of he's injuries? Or in our own backyard, Kamdyn McIntosh did miss two full seasons of AFL football. By your theory he must be a poor player too, seemingly with no hope of improvement.

The if fit and when fit is a moniker used for all players at all clubs. One would use it on Jaegar O'Meara for the GC after missing an entire year. The same moniker is ised on Morabito and Daniel Menzal deapite missing multiple seasons with injuries that are far worse tha Conca's. Are they deemed poor players?

Again, why can't we use an if fit/ when fit moniker?

Its an interesting point.

Those other players you have mention have shown more than Conca when on field including McIntosh

 

[TigerImposter]

He has been inconsistent in his performance due to coping small niggles or getting suspended. This year is the first that hes missed so many games. Pretty simple to understand. Inconsistent doesn't mean hes average. It means hes incondistent. Dont try and change that definition to suit your opinion. No hes hasnt done two full preseason out of 5. Last year was his most complete preseason and then he copped his injury. Considering that hes shown a hell of a lot of talent imo. Yes almost two missed with the vast majority of that this year and bits and pieces through each other year. Games played per year wouldve been a more accurate statistic for you to use.

Im allowed to 'giggle' at your 'opinion' in no way have I attacked you personally.

So you counted last year as a completed preseason when I spoke to him in a moon boot before a ball was bounced. Then he came back to play a full game and two half games ( one as a sub and one where he packed up)
Inconsistent does not mean good in any language. It may mean he has potential and the best has not been seen due to injuries etc
He still could be a flop though as even his better games have been ok , but not of wow factor. It just all depends on what your perceptions of a good game are .
Coughlan was a very good footballer who didn't live up to it due to injuries , but he wasn't inconsistent

 

[RememberRoyce]

Jacki won a JD medal and was a lot harder than a inca and was used for a different purpose. Put Conca on Ablett and see if he can keep him to less possessions and kick a couple on him.
Jacko was a hard tagger and would have been useful last year in the EF
Tuck was also hard and tough and an inside player and could still rack them up .conca couldn't get in the coal face like him, but his skills are better than both those boys . I think you're comparing him to the wrong blokes bc Townsdnd and Moore were added to the list obviously bc we were deficient here once the Tuck and Jacko retired

Agree.. but cast your mind back, as I stated, to 'early days' of Jacko. That was my point. Not game style, just 'frustrating' with decisions and turnovers. Conca is more skilled but still makes poor decisions or skill errors that top players don't make. My points were, that you didn't go near, he is serviceable, he is likely to improve, if he gets another one or two soft tissue injuries early next year, we will get him on a reduced contract (money saved/TP payments benefits) or we can get him playing through the year managing the continual injuries and someone WILL trade for him.

 

[theflea]

Jacki won a JD medal and was a lot harder than a inca and was used for a different purpose. Put Conca on Ablett and see if he can keep him to less possessions and kick a couple on him.
Jacko was a hard tagger and would have been useful last year in the EF
Tuck was also hard and tough and an inside player and could still rack them up .conca couldn't get in the coal face like him, but his skills are better than both those boys . I think you're comparing him to the wrong blokes bc Townsdnd and Moore were added to the list obviously bc we were deficient here once the Tuck and Jacko retired

Disagree Conca cant get at the coalface like Tucky. They both did/do it imo.

 

[TigerImposter]

Agree.. but cast your mind back, as I stated, to 'early days' of Jacko. That was my point. Not game style, just 'frustrating' with decisions and turnovers. Conca is more skilled but still makes poor decisions or skill errors that top players don't make. My point was, that you didn't go near, he is serviceable, he is likely to improve, if he gets another one or two soft tissue injuries early next years, we will get him on a reduced contract (money saved/TP payments benefits) or we can get him playing through the year managing the continual injuries and someone WILL trade for him.

i didn't go near that point bc I made it in earlier posts
If fit and when fit are the common ifs with Reece and we're all in hope waiting
Wanting to trade him or put him on reduced payments almost imply you think he's just serviceable which is really my opinion

 

[Hot tigers]

almost every post quotes
IF FIT
OR
WHEN FIT
Common theme which is why we are concerned about him
One poster believes people are potting him bc these concerns are raised, yet in the same post this poster raised the same concerns on three occasions
It's the reason why this thread exists and all of us want to see him on the park
I don't believe this has to do with Heppell as it has hardly been raised of late.
I just continue reading IF FIT AND WHEN FIT ,Heppell can go and get xxxxxx

Its very hard to debate with you....

Your saying he's no good, correct?

His biggest concern or impacting his ability to prove he is good is injury, correct? (im in the camp he's best 22 when fit but with players in his position breathing up his backside)

Any wonder everyone is saying IF FIT, thats a large part of the conversation...

 

[Mr Magic]

i didn't go near that point bc I made it in earlier posts
If fit and when fit are the common ifs with Reece and we're all in hope waiting
Wanting to trade him or put him on reduced payments almost imply you think he's just serviceable which is really my opinion

The question I have is is he serviceable. He seems he might be serviceable at reserves level and gets games in the first just on a view of potential and the fact he was a pick 6.

I am not saying he will not make it yet but he has not shown enough for me yet. Not saying we should necessarily trade him for chump change but Lennon for example has shown a lot more Conca for me and Conca to me is still very much in the development stage that he might become a best 22 at AFL level.

Sure guys can be in the 22 in a weak team making up the numbers but really we should be talking about in the 22 for teams that can win finals and contribute at the very least

 

[Mr Magic]

Its very hard to debate with you....

Your saying he's no good, correct?

His biggest concern or impacting his ability to prove he is good is injury, correct? (im in the camp he's best 22 when fit but with players in his position breathing up his backside)

Any wonder everyone is saying IF FIT, thats a large part of the conversation...

Has Conca every been fit to the required level? Not taking pot shots here but is this topic not up for debate given he looks inflated compared to draft year

 

[TigerImposter]

Its very hard to debate with you....

Your saying he's no good, correct?

His biggest concern or impacting his ability to prove he is good is injury, correct? (im in the camp he's best 22 when fit but with players in his position breathing up his backside)

Any wonder everyone is saying IF FIT, thats a large part of the conversation...

no not saying he's not good

 

[tunksy]

So you counted last year as a completed preseason when I spoke to him in a moon boot before a ball was bounced. Then he came back to play a full game and two half games ( one as a sub and one where he packed up)
Inconsistent does not mean good in any language. It may mean he has potential and the best has not been seen due to injuries etc
He still could be a flop though as even his better games have been ok , but not of wow factor. It just all depends on what your perceptions of a good game are .
Coughlan was a very good footballer who didn't live up to it due to injuries , but he wasn't inconsistent

No I didn't count it, I didn't count any of them. I simply stated it was his most complete one he had done until he got injured (just before nab cup (hence the moon boot)). Inconsistent means inconsistent, Im not saying it means good! Inconsistent is the gap between his best performances (which there's been a quite few) and his worst performances (which have been OK, we've seen worse). His best hasn't been seen (consistently) due to suspension and niggling injuries. FACT.

Hell you use dan jackson and tuck as examples of players who didn't reach their peak until much later in their careers. Another one could be Shane Edwards. Conca when hes had the chance has shown more than any of those players at the same point of his career. GIVE HIM TIME. We all love sheds now, we loved jacko before he pulled the pin. Similarly, Conca divides opinion.

 

[TigerImposter]

No I didn't count it, I didn't count any of them. I simply stated it was his most complete one he had done until he got injured (just before nab cup (hence the moon boot)). Inconsistent means inconsistent, Im not saying it means good! Inconsistent is the gap between his best performances (which there's been a quite few) and his worst performances (which have been OK, we've seen worse). His best hasn't been seen (consistently) due to suspension and niggling injuries. FACT.

Hell you use dan jackson and tuck as examples of players who didn't reach their peak until much later in their careers. Another one could be Shane Edwards. Conca when hes had the chance has shown more than any of those players at the same point of his career. GIVE HIM TIME. We all love sheds now, we loved jacko before he pulled the pin. Similarly, Conca divides opinion.

Hmmm I didn't use Jackson and tuck. I was responding to a post.
Please read careful as its obvious you don't based on your confused / contradicting posts

 

[SpudsLoveChild]

Has Conca every been fit to the required level? Not taking pot shots here but is this topic not up for debate given he looks inflated compared to draft year

Thought he came out looking lean and mean in the EF.

 

[Tango67]

IMO Conca is a good player when fit but where does he play cozy it's certainly not in the midfield because there are more than enough better midfielders than him

it's not HBF or HFF as we are well covered there

it's not small forward as Edwards or Rioli have more scope there than RC

he has been played at Back pocket as he has been tried and failed there

so at best he is on the bench for rotations but we are getting a lot of depth and some new talent that offer more x factor than Reece

previously he would have been a walk up start in our 22 but we are better now and I think he is now in the depth bracket IMO

 

[Bobby Sands]

IMO Conca is a good player when fit but where does he play cozy it's certainly not in the midfield because there are more than enough better midfielders than him

it's not HBF or HFF as we are well covered there

it's not small forward as Edwards or Rioli have more scope there than RC

he has been played at Back pocket as he has been tried and failed there

so at best he is on the bench for rotations but we are getting a lot of depth and some new talent that offer more x factor than Reece

previously he would have been a walk up start in our 22 but we are better now and I think he is now in the depth bracket IMO

Easily a spot for an inside mid who uses the ball well.

 

[RobsJourney]

This is still going...? When fit he was important as a young talented emerging mid next to Cotch n Dusty. He had some very very good games for us.

Since then his body has let him down greatly.

Its so easy to forget and write off...
Give him a chance to be fit THEN start failing before you write him off. But before that all we have to go on is that he was a great emerging mid for us when he was able to play.

Imo we should be excited about him coming back. He's a free pick#6 coming into our team from Rd1, 2016.
(Btw he killed it against hawthorn this season geez...)

 

[tunksy]

Hmmm I didn't use Jackson and tuck. I was responding to a post.
Please read careful as its obvious you don't based on your confused / contradicting posts

Jacko won a JD medal and was a lot harder than a Conca and was used for a different purpose. Put Conca on Ablett and see if he can keep him to less possessions and kick a couple on him.
Jacko was a hard tagger and would have been useful last year in the EF
Tuck was also hard and tough and an inside player and could still rack them up .conca couldn't get in the coal face like him, but his skills are better than both those boys . I think you're comparing him to the wrong blokes bc Townsdnd and Moore were added to the list obviously bc we were deficient here once the Tuck and Jacko retired

yes responding to a post in relation to your opinion of conca its fairly simple to make the connection and why i brought it up. They were maligned as is conca. They showed a lot less than him at the same point of their careers.

Its pretty obvious i do read and you dont comprehend particularly well.

 

[TigerImposter]

yes responding to a post in relation to your opinion of conca its fairly simple to make the connection and why i brought it up. They were maligned as is conca. They showed a lot less than him at the same point of their careers.

Its pretty obvious i do read and you dont comprehend particularly well.

So I was supposed to ignore the post about two players who were completely different role players to Conca. Maligned with injury or not they never had spaghetti for hamstrings .If you had watched Jacko early in his career it was pretty obvious he was going to make a good tagger,but they kept playing him at CHB/F at Coburg on bigger opponents until one day some genius decided to put him in the midfield where the rest is history.Tuck was a late bloomer,but was an instant success pretty well at Coburg and worked hard under a TW preseason to never return.Speaking to mr/mrs Tuck at Coburg they mentioned Shane didn't realize how hard you had to work to become an afl footballer.Tuck and Jackos flaws were not health ,but more attitude and skill levels.
then you mentioned Edwards as a late bloomer.Not bc of injury ,but body size and this is why he's probably known as titch.At vfl/afl he was always showing his brilliance in bursts,but his tank and body just wasn't ready
Where do we put Reece?in his first 4 seasons he played 17,18,17,19 games which implies that he's had enough opportunities and compared to titch who played 16,1615,22 i still didn't see the snippets of brilliant skills or game breaking magic even with Titch's tiny frame.Titch has built up physically,whereas Conca always looks flabby with no ripping physique.Look at his arms and waistline they balloon up and down consistently.The only comparison with Tuck and Conca is that one finally realized how much work you need to do in order to be successful.
We are all waiting for Conca to deliver and you could be right he will make it,but for you to rank him as an inconsistent good footballer tells me where he's at.
I now comprehend
Thanks for the clarification