Past #32: Jacob Edwards - drafted w/ #1 in '20 MSD - delisted end '23 w/ 0 NM games & 0 NM goals

[DuckYeah]

Needs to hit the guinesses

Every time I have a guiness I feel like ive just eaten a 500g prime rib and a side of potatoes

 

[king rising]

What’s this blokes deal? Seems to be averaging 4 or 5 touches a game at VFL level… that won’t cut it. Was hyped up a lot when he arrived at the club.

 

[Shinboner1]

What’s this blokes deal? Seems to be averaging 4 or 5 touches a game at VFL level… that won’t cut it. Was hyped up a lot when he arrived at the club.

Poor development.
Sometimes players just don't make it.
Wish him all the best but it's going to be interesting when he's up for contract renewal

 

[Devington]

What’s this blokes deal? Seems to be averaging 4 or 5 touches a game at VFL level… that won’t cut it. Was hyped up a lot when he arrived at the club.

Ruck/forward that after a sudden growth spurt in the year we took him is now as tall as Goldy but weighs as much as Spicer. He needs extra weight. Until he does that it's hard to judge him too much because he just gets bodied easily.

 

[benbanjo]

What’s this blokes deal? Seems to be averaging 4 or 5 touches a game at VFL level… that won’t cut it. Was hyped up a lot when he arrived at the club.

Disappointing, i thought he might be a steal initially, but hasn't come on at all so far.
Needs to start preseason really early and put on 5-7kg for starters.

 

[Event Horizon]

Our recruiting and player development have been trying to outdo each other in shitfulness over the last few years so it’s hard to know where the issues are with some players.

But when it comes to Edwards, he was highly rated by just about all experts at that point in time. But let’s not forget he was overlooked at the ND prior to that. Then his apparent growth and rapid improvement led to him being highly sought after very quickly. Let him grow into his body and put on some weight.

Luckily he’s got another season before any calls on him need to be made and that season will be under a brand new regime.


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[The Y Factor]

Disappointing, i thought he might be a steal initially, but hasn't come on at all so far.
Needs to start preseason really early and put on 5-7kg for starters.

You are spot on with his need to put on weight and strength however I would encourage people to give him the time Thst was expected when he was picked up!

Was always going to be 3 years just to get to the starting line and zi think we are 18 months in iirc.

Appears to be a good natural ruck but miles off the body he needs do next year is a big one for him.

 

[marklovesbeer]

Every time I have a guiness I feel like ive just eaten a 500g prime rib and a side of potatoes

Weak.

 

[the flying ham]

Poor development.
Sometimes players just don't make it.
Wish him all the best but it's going to be interesting when he's up for contract renewal

What absolute rubbish. They said pre season it's effectively his 1st year on the books. He is a project player, patience is required.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Needs a big preseason, but there’s plenty of good traits there. He’s so raw, give him time.

He just started rucking as the primary ruck and he’s doing pretty well. Not quite equalling the hitouts, but isn’t far off either.

 

[the flying ham]

Needs a big preseason, but there’s plenty of good traits there. He’s so raw, give him time.

He just started rucking as the primary ruck and he’s doing pretty well. Not quite equalling the hitouts, but isn’t far off either.

Some of the track watchers said he looked like a good forward playing school footy. Just needs time to grow into his tall glass of water frame

 

[Merlin007]

Needs a big preseason, but there’s plenty of good traits there. He’s so raw, give him time.

He just started rucking as the primary ruck and he’s doing pretty well. Not quite equalling the hitouts, but isn’t far off either.

Some of the track watchers said he looked like a good forward playing school footy. Just needs time to grow into his tall glass of water frame

All very true; it is nevertheless mildly amusing to see him ruck against some of the old-fashioned telephone-pole ruckmen in the VFL - if there was a stat for someone being sat on their arse at centre bounces, poor old (young) Jacob would be the club house leader

 

[koshari]

Some of the track watchers said he looked like a good forward playing school footy. Just needs time to grow into his tall glass of water frame

well was worth a gamble, but we move on ,

vale jacob edwards,

He was a talented, iron-willed, and charming young man.



Jacob may have been a bit cocky and self-assured, but it was overlooked by his quick-witted humor.

Obituaries in Beaver, PA | The Beaver County Times

Jacob Allen Edwards, 21, of North Sewickley Twp. and formerly of Lake Wales, FL passed away Thursday, August 4, 2022. Jacob was born on October...

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[SammyRoo]

 

[Yianni]

What’s this blokes deal? Seems to be averaging 4 or 5 touches a game at VFL level… that won’t cut it. Was hyped up a lot when he arrived at the club.

His deal is that he’s 19 years old, 1cm taller than Goldy and 18kg lighter.

I think everyone needs to understand how long four or five years is, and not demand beanpole teenagers playing against men dominate.

For example, here are Goldys stats at age 19 and 20, and Edwards’ at 19.



I think they’re quite similar. Specifically, observe both young ruckmen’s (1) difficulty cracking double figure disposals and (2) hit out numbers.

Goldy doesn’t break 10 touches or 20 hit outs until late in his 20yo season. And that’s Goldstein, the player we now know holds the all time hit out record.

Edwards has had 10+ three times a year younger. At a lower level sure, but he’s still playing against men and the physical deficits in ruckwork I think transcend the level.

Look at the trend towards the end of Goldy’s 2009 and Edwards 2022 season. Both see upticks in disposals and hitouts. Goldys marks go up, and interestingly Edwards’ tackle numbers go up.

My point is, it is MILES too early to judge this guy. MILES too early.

Big men take time.

 

[Jimmy's Hot Dogs]

He’s that NBA saying of being two years away from being two years away.

Still very young.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

I’d be amazed to see him on an AFL field before 2024.

 

[Yianni]

I’d be amazed to see him on an AFL field before 2024.

That’s about right. And he’ll still be a 21yo ruckman, which is like being an 18yo mid.

 

[Mr Reliable]

Wow, after all those encouraging words and stats I'm now a believer too. When I started reading this thread I had the same opinion as Event Horizon, a few posts back.

 

[Merlin007]

His deal is that he’s 19 years old, 1cm taller than Goldy and 18kg lighter.

I think everyone needs to understand how long four or five years is, and not demand beanpole teenagers playing against men dominate.

For example, here are Goldys stats at age 19 and 20, and Edwards’ at 19.

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I think they’re quite similar. Specifically, observe both young ruckmen’s (1) difficulty cracking double figure disposals and (2) hit out numbers.

Goldy doesn’t break 10 touches or 20 hit outs until late in his 20yo season. And that’s Goldstein, the player we now know holds the all time hit out record.

Edwards has had 10+ three times a year younger. At a lower level sure, but he’s still playing against men and the physical deficits in ruckwork I think transcend the level.

Look at the trend towards the end of Goldy’s 2009 and Edwards 2022 season. Both see upticks in disposals and hitouts. Goldys marks go up, and interestingly Edwards’ tackle numbers go up.

My point is, it is MILES too early to judge this guy. MILES too early.

Big men take time.

Sorry, but this is apples and oranges; Goldy was playing 1s, and edwards is in the magoos

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Sorry, but this is apples and oranges; Goldy was playing 1s, and edwards is in the magoos

Goldy didn’t miss a year of footy through a pandemic in fairness.

 

[Yianni]

Sorry, but this is apples and oranges; Goldy was playing 1s, and edwards is in the magoos

I think that the same physical ceiling exists almost independent of the level of competition (obviously excepting underage competition)

If you’re 19 and playing against men, whether it’s VFL or AFL, it’s going to be hard to influence.

Also, I’m not saying they’re the same. I’m saying they can be compared usefully. Also, it’s Goldy. We hope but don’t expect any of our young ruckman to end as good as a club great like Goldy.

But even someone a bit worse than Goldy would still be a very good ruckman. So IMHO and in the absence of anything better to compare, I think you can gain some clarity from comparing their respective records.

Writing the whole thing off because of the level is counterproductive unless you’ve got an alternative?

 

[Ether]

Sorry, but this is apples and oranges; Goldy was playing 1s, and edwards is in the magoos

The point is that we knew Edwards was going to be a long term project when we drafted him and some posters are writing him off way too early.

 

[Sheezel2Wardlaw]

Needs to come live with me for 4 weeks. Ill show him how to chuck 10kgs on in no time.

 

[The Dingrel]

Needs to come live with me for 4 weeks. Ill show him how to chuck 10kgs on in no time.

yeah I don't get why it takes these kids so long to fill out....my 16yo kid has stacked on 8 kgs in a month and he's only 5'11. Eating me out of house but hitting the gym, and no doubt using his older brothers license to get in the pubs probably helps.