Player Watch #32 Samson Ryan

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Morro said:
Right now Samson is the ideal 3rd tall / ruck chop out for Nank.

Has been since he arrived, the best forward of the lot. He has played incredibly well at VFL since we recruited him, just needed some strength added and now look at him.

Will be our best ruck in a couple of years easy and will be so damaging forward. Very few players at 206cms can move and mark like this kid.

I have been banging on about him for 18 months, this kid is going to be a very good player.
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Totally agree big men take longer and he is still a kid massive upside
 

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Although I agree that Ryan looked good in the practice games, I still don't think he should play round one.
He should only really come in if we are a tall down.
I'd still prefer either Soldo or Miller as second ruck.

Ryan is handy cover though.
 
Grrr said:
Why not give it a gol, or at least the sub where you can bring him in if necessary. He has always had a bit of mongrel in him, but now looks big enough to impose himself a bit more.

Jack is no more a marking target. Last season he got most of his goals using his forward craft, leading, one out marking, crumbing etc. He is not the crash the pack player because he doesn't get off the ground like he used to, his one wood in years gone.

So do we leave it all to Lynch who is a bit underdone. It makes it very easy for the intercepter if we don't play another arial target for them to second guess.

Was a bit surprised they didn't play Miller down forward, but I guess he played there against North. Evidently played well in the VFL match before so maybe that is still the plan, give him a good hit out. Anyone see that game to confirm where he played.
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Interesting that Miller didn’t play, thought he’d be shoo-in R1. Can play a number of roles, and with Balta looking at being a permanent kpb, Miller ideal as that swingman. He’s super versatile could even end up playing as a third tall back/forward his disposal Is that good.

I am on the Ryan bandwagon, only thing I’d say about throwing him straight into the side, is he may need the km in his legs to play ruck/kpf at AFL level. It took Soldo a while to get that fitness base.
I suppose it comes down to whether he’s more value now while still in his development stage than Soldo. No doubt about it as a pinch hitting kpf.

Not sure how we’ll set up with the sub ie type we’ll go for, extra run, height etc
 
Hank Heavenly said:
Ryan is ahead of Soldo, easily, both with current output and potential upside.
He also seems a better natural fwd than Miller...


And JR looks cooked already... So maybe he just replaces JR in the line up?
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He does however Dimma form suggests he ll get a while before a lines out thru him
 
Bojangles17 said:
He does however Dimma form suggests he ll get a while before a lines out thru him
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Possibly, but his form in the backend of last year was pretty poor as well from memory.

I'm sure I posted it somewhere, apart from his 300th where he kicked 5 or 6, Jack was only averaging 1 goal a game in the second half of the year, and he had lost his athleticism, making him a liability during games. I reckon hitting the scoreboard in the final wallpapered over the crack and fooled them into going another year
 
Can’t see him replacing JR as the 2nd forward at this stage of his career.
JR and Lynch have that understanding, running patterns etc, Ryan is not ready for that. Amount of running Lynch and JR do wouldn’t be achievable by Ryan yet.

Likelihood is they’d be contesting the same long ball too often and giving nothing at ground level.

Hopefully he cracks it as that 2nd ruck, who can play some forward time and hurt the opposition with his size
 
Charlie Pannam said:
Can’t see him replacing JR as the 2nd forward at this stage of his career.
JR and Lynch have that understanding, running patterns etc, Ryan is not ready for that. Amount of running Lynch and JR do wouldn’t be achievable by Ryan yet.

Likelihood is they’d be contesting the same long ball too often and giving nothing at ground level.

Hopefully he cracks it as that 2nd ruck, who can play some forward time and hurt the opposition with his size
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Naturally I hope I’ve been seeing things , on the face of it jr really laboured last 2w and I don’t think took a clean overhead mark , Ryan would def add as the sec tall as jacks rôle diminishes
I don’t expect this will be decided r1 , good thing for Ryan is that he’s very agile so is versatile enough to be on the bench
 
Bojangles17 said:
Naturally I hope I’ve been seeing things , on the face of it jr really laboured last 2w and I don’t think took a clean overhead mark , Ryan would def add as the sec tall as jacks rôle diminishes
I don’t expect this will be decided r1 , good thing for Ryan is that he’s very agile so is versatile enough to be on the bench
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Agreed, if Ryan is in the 22/23 as that 2nd ruck, could really stretch defences with his height. I’d be really surprised though if he replaces JR.

Hard ti know how Dimma will structure up R1? Not as though blues ruckman are game changers.

I wouldn’t be playing Soldo. Be happy to see Miller and Ryan though . No Tarrant could mean Miller may be required back.
 

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Muddiemoose said:
What about possies, (especially contested) tackles and clearances

Nank easily outplays Soldo in these aspects of the game
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Nankervis was shite last year, we don’t need extra possessions from him we need some ruck dominance. Waste of picks getting in some more mids if the ball doesn’t get hit to them.


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NZ_Tiger said:
Nankervis was shite last year, we don’t need extra possessions from him we need some ruck dominance. Waste of picks getting in some more mids if the ball doesn’t get hit to them.


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Ruck dominance is the biggest myth in football

Melbourne had it on the weekend in spades and they only had two more inside 50s, one less clearance for the game and 7 less centre clearances even with more hitouts than them
 
Grrr said:
Nank pretty much nulified Gawn's effectiveness round 6 last year. Nank 21 disposals v Gawn 19. Hit outs Nank 24 v Gawn 30. It was a practice game, Nank was not going flat out, why would he. Soldo has much more to prove.
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First of all, it will be a different situation this season, clearly, if we want to focus on the Gawn situation. I don't need to spell out the reasons why.

Secondly, I don't subscribe, nor have I ever subscribed to the idea that it's ok to not go flat out just because it's a practice game. You play the way you train, and I certainly expect a certain level of intensity even if it is a practice match. Do I expect 100% in the practice match? No. But I still expect much better than what we saw on the weekend. And from what I saw on the weekend, Gawn and Grundy were able to work Nank over quite easily, whether that was in the ruck or around the ground contests. I don't recall a scenario where Soldo was beat by Gawn and Grundy around the ground, and I think Soldo competed quite well in the ruck against Gawn and Grundy, with a major factor that Gawn and Grundy are less likely to jump over the top of Soldo like the way they did on Nank to quite good effect.
 
Muddiemoose said:
Ruck dominance is the biggest myth in football

Melbourne had it on the weekend in spades and they only had two more inside 50s, one less clearance for the game and 7 less centre clearances even with more hitouts than them
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And 50 more points.

Watch the elim against Brisbane. We didn’t capitalise on Brisbane losing their ruckman becasue Nank hit it straight to Brisbane mids. He hits our guys and we are off to the races.


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TheOptimum18 said:
First of all, it will be a different situation this season, clearly, if we want to focus on the Gawn situation. I don't need to spell out the reasons why.

Secondly, I don't subscribe, nor have I ever subscribed to the idea that it's ok to not go flat out just because it's a practice game. You play the way you train, and I certainly expect a certain level of intensity even if it is a practice match. Do I expect 100% in the practice match? No. But I still expect much better than what we saw on the weekend. And from what I saw on the weekend, Gawn and Grundy were able to work Nank over quite easily, whether that was in the ruck or around the ground contests. I don't recall a scenario where Soldo was beat by Gawn and Grundy around the ground, and I think Soldo competed quite well in the ruck against Gawn and Grundy, with a major factor that Gawn and Grundy are less likely to jump over the top of Soldo like the way they did on Nank to quite good effect.
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I agree it was quite frustrating watching nank just stand there while gawn/grundy jump over. Whats the point of him going in the ruck? We recurited two mids to do the contested mid stuff, not an undersized doing a half job at a snail pace.

People got rose coloured glasses cos it worked in the past for nank and hes captain. Soldo is a better first ruck cos simply he has the height to compete and hit up up our mids with taps 50/50 contests. Nank cant do this.
 
It’s looks like it’s going to be a year of tiggy-touch free kicks , which suits tall forwards . JR8 could never buy a free kick in the best of times, so might be up against it.
 
Muddiemoose said:
Ruck dominance is the biggest myth in football

Melbourne had it on the weekend in spades and they only had two more inside 50s, one less clearance for the game and 7 less centre clearances even with more hitouts than them
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Maybe I'm misreading you, Muddie, but it was us who dominated the ruck 37 hitouts to 24?

For once Gawn wasn't able to place the ball wherever he liked as often as he liked - he had less hit-outs than Soldo in way more game time.

We may have made poor use of our hit-out advantage on the weekend, but we did deny Gawn his usual dominance and that is a big step forward to beating them if we play well enough elsewhere.
 
Rayzorwire said:
Maybe I'm misreading you, Muddie, but it was us who dominated the ruck 37 hitouts to 24?

For once Gawn wasn't able to place the ball wherever he liked as often as he liked - he had less hit-outs than Soldo in way more game time.

We may have made poor use of our hit-out advantage on the weekend, but we did deny Gawn his usual dominance and that is a big step forward to beating them if we play well enough elsewhere.
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That’s my point, statistically we dominated the ruck and broke even in the midfield but it meant sweet **** all in the grand scheme of the game

Some are saying we lost the ruck duel during the game and that’s why we lost.. but like I said we won the ruck duel

All this talk about trying to increase hit outs are meaningless when the real issues right now are our back and forward lines

Even if you look at the grand final winners over the afl era none have bar a small handful have had dominant rucks in terms of hitouts
None really in the past 5 - 10 years except Melbourne
 
NZ_Tiger said:
And 50 more points.

Watch the elim against Brisbane. We didn’t capitalise on Brisbane losing their ruckman becasue Nank hit it straight to Brisbane mids. He hits our guys and we are off to the races.


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So we dominated this the ruck in that game and lost to a better midfield… that we addressed over the pre season but once again Brisbane winning that game reinforces the point that having a dominant ruck in a game means **** all
 
Would be a massive mistake naming Samson as sub whoever suggested that. The sub should always be a versatile runner. One of Clarke/Sonsie/Graham/Ross will likely he our sub more often than not. Maybe even Cotchin for a freshen up.

I've been a big fan of Samson since his first vfl games but I think Miller deserves a crack as the kpf/2nd ruck first. If Tarrant doesn't get up then play Miller back and Samson fwd. Otherwise let Samson bang the door down in the twos.

What he did against Petty and May was pretty special, especially considering he'd already played 3/4s in the reserves. Could be a genius selection by Matt Clarke :cool:
 

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