Past #36: Shannon Watt - drafted at #14 in '97 ND - 155 games - 0 Brownlow votes - original whipping boy

[Nandrolone Stam]

He was good on Tredrea, one of the most overrated forwards going round.

 

[Jabba]

Funny that I thought this year we would really struggle in defence when really its our forwards who aren't really performing.

Watt and Baird are both playing well above my expectations.

 

[jonty12]

Originally posted by Jabba
Funny that I thought this year we would really struggle in defence when really its our forwards who aren't really performing.

Watt and Baird are both playing well above my expectations.

Just looking at the ladder though, we have conceded 855 points - the worst defence in the AFL. Considering we won the first two games and kept the opposition in both those encounters to less than 12 goals, that is a over 110 points a game.

Having said that, I think our defence is doing well but I'm finding that our forward line is not functioning well and that some of the middle tier smaller players are not playing consistent footy.

 

[Jeff_99]

Watt is struggling, has he actually beaten an opponent this year

 

[Melly017]

Originally posted by Jeff_99
Watt is struggling, has he actually beaten an opponent this year

What's beating an opponent??? Do tell

 

[Jeff_99]

Contributing to a team win, rather than doing the opposite and being a liability

 

[Rooboy 96]

Originally posted by Jeff_99
Contributing to a team win, rather than doing the opposite and being a liability

so in other words if the team loses all 22 players have struggled... as they have not contributed to a team win... get off the grass...

 

[Yianni]

Originally posted by Comebackmick
It's great to see fewer and fewer people "on his case". This kid has it all except experience and will be the backbone of our next brilliant defence.

Given your username "comebackmick" I thought you were going to bag the hell out of Watt!

He's been doing alright for a kid playing fullback. You have to leave him there to learn

 

[Melly017]

Originally posted by Jeff_99
Contributing to a team win, rather than doing the opposite and being a liability

Jeff_99,

watch the footy, you will notice the forwards job is to kick goals and that the inside 50's far outweight the shots on goals.

All full backs have goals kicked on them.
Some forwards get great delivery eg. Dunstall
Some use muscle eg. Lockett
Some take get pack marks eg. Ablett
Some us smarts eg. Hudson
some use all 4, a full back has to learn how to deal with all four, he has to know how the ball is going to get kicked to the forward he is playing on.

Watt has won most of his 50/50 this year, most of the goals he has had kicked on him have been from great delivery up field,(due to a lack of midfield, forward pressure) Denchie, Mick, or SOS couldn't have stopped them.

To call him a liability shows you do not know what you are talking about. Watch the game, learn and support the players who are learning.

Just like we have to learn that the dribble some people quote on this forum is just them venting as they are upset at losing and choose to pick on things they know nothing about, like team rules ,tasks, game plans and the fact that players take time to learn these things.

 

[Jeff_99]

Originally posted by Rooboy 96
so in other words if the team loses all 22 players have struggled... as they have not contributed to a team win... get off the grass...

Interesting interpretation.

Contribute to a team - beat your opponent. Is that simple enough for you?

It doesn't take 22 players beating their opponent to win a game of football.

If you don't beat your opponent, you are a liability to the team's chances of winning - that's pretty simple logic

 

[Jeff_99]

Originally posted by Melly017
Jeff_99,

watch the footy, you will notice the forwards job is to kick goals and that the inside 50's far outweight the shots on goals.

All full backs have goals kicked on them.
Some forwards get great delivery eg. Dunstall
Some use muscle eg. Lockett
Some take get pack marks eg. Ablett
Some us smarts eg. Hudson
some use all 4, a full back has to learn how to deal with all four, he has to know how the ball is going to get kicked to the forward he is playing on.

Watt has won most of his 50/50 this year, most of the goals he has had kicked on him have been from great delivery up field,(due to a lack of midfield, forward pressure) Denchie, Mick, or SOS couldn't have stopped them.

To call him a liability shows you do not know what you are talking about. Watch the game, learn and support the players who are learning.

Just like we have to learn that the dribble some people quote on this forum is just them venting as they are upset at losing and choose to pick on things they know nothing about, like team rules ,tasks, game plans and the fact that players take time to learn these things.

Good luck to Watt, he's getting a great ride, but I haven't seem any real improvement in his performance....i'm not saying anyone else at NM would be doing any better at fullback....and i'm not saying he's our worst, but IMO he is not doing enough for the chances he is getting.

Also, Fevola and Thompson are hardly what you would call great full forwards.

No-one has told me whether he has actually beaten an opponent this year. After 8 rounds you would hope he has a few scalps.

 

[dus]

Originally posted by Jeff_99

No-one has told me whether he has actually beaten an opponent this year.

I dont think Watt has clearly beaten an opponent this year. Until he learns to play in front and not continually be led to the ball he will never beat anyone.

We have seen however his ability to run off and link up through the midfield and out of half back. This is promising as he has timed these runs quite well at times.

 

[Melly017]

Originally posted by Jeff_99
Good luck to Watt, he's getting a great ride, but I haven't seem any real improvement in his performance....i'm not saying anyone else at NM would be doing any better at fullback....and i'm not saying he's our worst, but IMO he is not doing enough for the chances he is getting.

Also, Fevola and Thompson are hardly what you would call great full forwards.

No-one has told me whether he has actually beaten an opponent this year. After 8 rounds you would hope he has a few scalps.

Fevola kicked 24 for the year and kicked 1.6 on sunday so should be around the top of the goalkicking list. Thompson will also kick about 50 goals this year. Not great, but gee not bad.

You have a dig and then don't come up with a fix. Have a go...fine...have an answer..better...otherwise....bitch to yourself...

I don't care if he gets beaten every game and we win a few. Let him learn.

 

[Karanicolas]

He beat Ian Perrie.

 

[Rooboy 34]

Originally posted by jonty12
Just looking at the ladder though, we have conceded 855 points - the worst defence in the AFL. Considering we won the first two games and kept the opposition in both those encounters to less than 12 goals, that is a over 110 points a game.

Having said that, I think our defence is doing well but I'm finding that our forward line is not functioning well and that some of the middle tier smaller players are not playing consistent footy.

Just because we have conceeded the most points against, it doesn't mean that we have the worst defence. I think that the mid-field needs to be held more accountable. Has anyone got the stats on how many goals opposition ruckman and centreline players have kicked against us this year???

 

[Jeff_99]

Originally posted by Melly017
Fevola kicked 24 for the year and kicked 1.6 on sunday so should be around the top of the goalkicking list. Thompson will also kick about 50 goals this year. Not great, but gee not bad.

Fevola had a good start, but take out his 8 - leaving him with 16 (or 2 per game) and Thomson's 5 - leaving him with 6 ( or about 1 a game) and they don't look quite so good. These guys are nowhere near the class of Lockett, Ablett, Dunstall, Hudson - names brought up by you. You could handle it if a champion full forward fixed him up but he should do better against these average players.

You have a dig and then don't come up with a fix. Have a go...fine...have an answer..better...

I acknowledged I didn't have a fix, so there is no need to repeat
what i said. However, I wouldn't accept subpar performance, and would bench him or drop him until he really wants it. He looks like he's on autodrive a bit of the time and doesn't step up and attack it when he really needs to. He's too one-dimensional at the moment.

otherwise....bitch to yourself...

This board is for people to post their thoughts and opinions - if you don't like it you don't have to read it.

I don't care if he gets beaten every game and we win a few. Let him learn.

I do care, the learning has to stop sometime. He's been around for a long time (since 1998) for little to no return.

I hope he does become a good player, I just hope it happens.

 

[KingyOrTheKing]

Originally posted by Rooboy 34
Just because we have conceeded the most points against, it doesn't mean that we have the worst defence. I think that the mid-field needs to be held more accountable. Has anyone got the stats on how many goals opposition ruckman and centreline players have kicked against us this year???

Yep. Been saying for years that the midfield is the achilles heel. It has not just been this year.....

 

[Melly017]

Originally posted by Jeff_99
I do care, the learning has to stop sometime. He's been around for a long time (since 1998) for little to no return.

I hope he does become a good player, I just hope it happens.

As i have stated he has been around since 98
for 30 games or in real time about 15 games, 8 of them coming this year. The guys is still a rookie, don't pull that been around since 98 bullcrap, its not true. Unlike other sides our 30 to 40 gamers apart from a few haven't had game time to 30 or 40 games in most cases half or a third or playing time.

But look at me defending a player on our list who has been given 12 chances at full back and just doesn't cut it.

 

[Jeff_99]

Originally posted by Melly017
As i have stated he has been around since 98
for 30 games or in real time about 15 games, 8 of them coming this year. The guys is still a rookie, don't pull that been around since 98 bullcrap, its not true.

So has he or hasn't been at the club since 98???

Why has he only played 30 odd games? It's not like he hasn't had chances. He should have taken one of them and gone on with it if he was any good, but no, you are still making excuses for him.

He should have done more by now, that's all I'm saying. How long does he get?

 

[Melly017]

Originally posted by Jeff_99

Originally posted by Melly017
As i have stated he has been around since 98
for 30 games or in real time about 15 games, 8 of them coming this year. The guys is still a rookie, don't pull that been around since 98 bullcrap, its not true.

So has he or hasn't been at the club since 98???

Why has he only played 30 odd games? It's not like he hasn't had chances. He should have taken one of them and gone on with it if he was any good, but no, you are still making excuses for him.

He should have done more by now, that's all I'm saying. How long does he get?

Yes jeff he has been at the club since 98, now watch the games since then and tell me how much playing time he has had. He has only played that many games because we have had blokes like Jason, Mick.M, Wayne, Corey, Sav, Colbert, (Digger and Drew last year) that have been better than him as a key possie big man.

Some of those bloke aren't here anymore, jeff, that's why S.Watt is at full back and will be for the rest of this year.

Going by what you say the following players should also be gone.
Sinclair, Rawlings, Colbert, Jason Mac, Porter, Spider all of those blokes were given time and chances to hold there spots, all started poorly in the blue and white jumpers, all played more time in their first 20 games than S.Watt. Even Arch was beaten more times than he won in the first two years of his football at the club.

Would hate to see your list at the end of the year if S.Watt is in your sights.

I'm not making excuses speak to anyone at the club and they will tell you the same thing. Time makes players, time on the ground.
Clark Keating was on the Brisbane list for 5 years before playing a game. Name me a full back who came on his his first three years to be good player in a good side. i can think of Dustin at Ess. Most other have taken time. I remember Mick, Wayne, Corey, Arch, Floss all took 30 or 40 full games to get to the level you are now judging S.Watt on after 15. Make another judgement at the end of this year after another 15 games. Then i might even agree with you.

 

[Jeff_99]

At the end of the day he hasn't had much playing time in the 1's because he hasn't deserved it. Fair enough if he was in his first or second year but he's been on an AFL list for 6 years for 30 games and should have returned more and better football by now. He has been playing football in the 2's and would have close to 100 games under his belt, which represents a fair bit of experience. It's not like if he's not in the seniors he doesn't play, or train, or watch or learn.

He's getting some game time now so let's hope he kicks on.

 

[KangaFett]

I actual think he is improving week by week. He just seems to do one little thing better.

Also, if a team is getting whipped, its a bit hard to blame the back 6 because they also rely on the midfield to get back and help out which they havent necessarily been doing very well. So considering the bombardment and pressure Watt, Baird, Colbert and Makepeace have been under, I would say it has been a highlight.

Now if the bluggers up the field would do there thing for FOUR BLOODY QTRS, then we may get somewhere.

 

[tashibatts]

He was using his body more against tredrea I noticed, was using more body on body contact



Go Roos

 

[Angus1]

Not sure what you are all talking about. Tredrea played a great game on a wet day.
If we had just one forward on our team who could play a game like that we would be raving about him.
He gave Watt a hiding.
Not the first time and certainly not the last.
Watt can't even spoil properly when he has the sit. Even junior level players can do that.
I know he's only young bla, bla, bla

 

[Majjie]

He has had his ups and downs, I thought he was ordinary in the Carlton and Hawthorn matches but was really good in the Port and Freo matches