Expansion 3rd Sydney AFL side prediction

[FootyJunkie]

There are already too many teams. We do not need more teams, we need less to improve the quality of the competition.
If you want more teams, at least split the division into 2 divisions so we get more competitive matches.

TOYOTA Premier League - 12 AFL sides
NAB Challenge League - 6 AFL sides plus 6 grand finalists from WAFL, SANFL, and VFL.

Only the state sides can be relegated back to their state comps.

 

[SchacheLions]

Possibly move the Suns to Sydney?

 

[FootyJunkie]

Possibly move the Suns to Sydney?

maybe merge with the Giants and use the GWS's promo logo

 

[marty36]

Premier League - 12 AFL sides
Challenge League - 6 AFL sides plus 6 grand finalists from WAFL, SANFL, and VFL.

Only the state sides can be relegated back to their state comps.

Long term definetly the way to go, but when is the right time to start it is probably the big question.

 

[The Swans Blog]

You cant be serious abouit Adelaide, we stand on our own two feet and infact contribute to the other clubs through the BS equalisation programme because clubs like yours are financial basket cases.

Saying that South Australia doesnt have the population to warrant another team and the eastern seaboard does and is the only way to expand the sport, even if it is paid for by the AFL as they already do with the NEAFL and the northern state teams.

You mean Port Adelaide who were broke, in substantial debt, are still in debt and received millions in handouts per season? Or Adelaide who were making a loss, albeit no where near as spectacular as Port, but still didn't turn a profit?

 

[Ian Dunross]

You mean Port Adelaide who were broke, in substantial debt, are still in debt and received millions in handouts per season?

Sounds eerily familiar...

Ridiculously rich coming from a Sydney supporter.

 

[Provost_]

Sounds eerily familiar...

Ridiculously rich coming from a Sydney supporter.

Any thing else you'd like to drag out from the VFL days or shall we stick to the modern era, happy to discuss the Saints woes of time gone by...

 

[Ian Dunross]

Any thing else you'd like to drag out from the VFL days or shall we stick to the modern era, happy to discuss the Saints woes of time gone by...

Very aware of the Saints historical woes. That's why you don't see me potting clubs who have a 5 year off field dip caused by a range of factors including some which are out of their control.

Your Sydney friend should be likewise aware of his club's less than glorious history and might consider not giving drive-bys to clubs who have had similar off field troubles.

 

[Provost_]

Very aware of the Saints historical woes. That's why you don't see me potting clubs who have a 5 year off field dip caused by a range of factors including some which are out of their control.

Your Sydney friend should be likewise aware of his club's less than glorious history and might consider not giving drive-bys to clubs who have had similar off field troubles.

But that's why, my Saint Kilda friend, we proliferate the Bay, to rib the shit out of each other, then rebuke and point out facts to say why we shouldn't rib the shit out of each other

 

[Garlic muncher]

and you'd here the howls from etithad at cape york. but that's besides the point. further expansion into the east coast is a long, long way off. the giants are still 20 years away from having a sustainable fan base, there's a growing rift between club sustainability in Victoria, you've got a shift into academy's, a growing desire for more grounds in melbourne which will only further hit the smaller vic clubs, no matter how much those handing out free kool aid tells them it won't. mounting pressure to establish Tasmanian franchise, issues over tv deals, the draw, drug cheats, clubs being forced to sell home games, either to make profit or so another team can make profit, deplorable umpires and serious financial hit to many clubs looms as the reality of poker machine reforms grows ever closer.

GWS and GC are far from embedded and what i just listed is but a handful of issues facing the afl moving forward, there's simply far too much on the plate to double down on expansion anytime soon, add to all of this the fact that all it takes to return to the days of folding, merging and relocating clubs is a change of personal at AFL HQ.

I would agree with bulk of your post, except no one really knows how long before GWS can stand on its own 2 feet if indeed it ever does, all the other issues you mention have been there in one form or another for over 100 years, except now the AFL deals with code nationally rather than on a suburban basis, the problems are in a bigger context but essentially the same.

One thing will imbed GWS quicker than anything else and that is success, if and when it occurs will be very interesting, it will be interesting to see how much impact it has on WS, through membership, through attendance, through grass roots growth, through sponsorship and acknowledgement in the Sydney media.

 

[The Swans Blog]

Sounds eerily familiar...

Ridiculously rich coming from a Sydney supporter.

We've certainly had our issues, but let's not throw rocks at glass houses. There's a whole lot of crap that StKilda still do wrong.

 

[Ian Dunross]

We've certainly had our issues, but let's not throw rocks at glass houses. There's a whole lot of crap that StKilda still do wrong.

Way to mangle a metaphor fella.

Enlighten us oh wise one.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Can't be serious right? Adelaide & Port Adelaide have been financial basket cases for so long. Really poor monetisation of memberships, marketing and sponsorships, shocking stadium deals, garbage on and off field performance, salary cap cheating (Crows) etc.

While the state is passionate about football, there's no way that SA could possibly support a 3rd team.

I'm not for a moment saying SA should have a third club (even though I'm a Norwood supporter), it's just not possible.

It is true to say Port Adelaide were only able to survive in the early days through generous cheques to the tune of $15 million from the SANFL, The Adelaide Crows have always been able to pay their own bills. They don't have a guarantor to cover poor investments like Sydney do with the AFL.

I'm no fan of the Adelaide Crows, but to call them a financial basket case is ridiculous.

 

[theRainbowGame]

Oh not this olympic park isnt western sydney shit again.

Thats just so 2012.

No not that. That was not the AFLs fault. They did their best to get the stadium further west I'm betting.

Early in formation there was talk of how places like the inner west are Western Sydney.
The afl also needs to understand that Sydney is completely different from Melbourne, and they need to understand the culture, people, and even their views on football.

 

[Colonial]

No not that. That was not the AFLs fault. They did their best to get the stadium further west I'm betting.

Early in formation there was talk of how places like the inner west are Western Sydney.
The afl also needs to understand that Sydney is completely different from Melbourne, and they need to understand the culture, people, and even their views on football.

And they are. All grassroots.

You would should know this. Unless you dont know anything about the club

 

[sherb]

Ask the AFL exec or commission some basic facts about Western Sydney that any Western Sydney resident would know and see what they say.

Some interesting questions whey should know are where Western Sydney starts, and where it ends. And also the history of sport in the area with rugby league and soccer.

The Giants (which has an AFL appointed management) want nothing to do with the senior football clubs in Western Sydney, other than offer token raffle prizes when asked.

It's an odd approach. You would think if you were trying to win over an area you would engage with the various stakeholders in that area.

Personally I think the Giants will drop the "GWS" at some stage and just become the Sydney Giants, with no geographic attachment.

 

[Colonial]

The Giants (which has an AFL appointed management) want nothing to do with the senior football clubs in Western Sydney, other than offer token raffle prizes when asked.

It's an odd approach. You would think if you were trying to win over an area you would engage with the various stakeholders in that area.

Personally I think the Giants will drop the "GWS" at some stage and just become the Sydney Giants, with no geographic attachment.

They have been active with the Goannas as well as every junior club.

Soooo incorrect

 

[sherb]

They have been active with the Goannas as well as every junior club.

Soooo incorrect

I was talking senior clubs. Yet for some absurd reason you bring junior clubs into it.

For your information, there is more than one senior club in the west of Sydney, other than Parramatta.

Tell me the engagement the Giants have had with all the other senior clubs in western Sydney.

One by one will be fine, this will be good.......

 

[sherb]

Ask the AFL exec or commission some basic facts about Western Sydney that any Western Sydney resident would know and see what they say.

Some interesting questions whey should know are where Western Sydney starts, and where it ends. And also the history of sport in the area with rugby league and soccer.

It's certainly a substantial area, both in geographic size and population. Certainly big enough to sustain an AFL club in my view.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Western_Sydney

As a long term resident (33 years), I also share your doubt about the AFL's (and by default the club's) knowledge of, and feel for, the area however.

 

[Colonial]

I was talking senior clubs. Yet for some absurd reason you bring junior clubs into it.

For your information, there is more than one senior club in the west of Sydney, other than Parramatta.

Tell me the engagement the Giants have had with all the other senior clubs in western Sydney.

One by one will be fine, this will be good.......

Tell me 1 by 1 each of the other 17 clubs that have connections to all the senior state clubs below them.

We have connections to every junior club. We have to put the efforts and funds into the grass roots.

 

[sherb]

Tell me 1 by 1 each of the other 17 clubs that have connections to all the senior state clubs below them.

We have connections to every junior club. We have to put the efforts and funds into the grass roots.

What part of "I was talking about senior football" do you not understand? Are you being deliberately obtuse?

And the other clubs have nothing to do with this discussion. This is about a club that was set up to represent the Greater Western Sydney area.

I am simply pointing out how they aren't fully living up to that objective.

Some of you Giants supporters are so thin-skinned and precious, it's laughable. Won't be long before your partner in crime arrives, I'm sure.....

 

[Colonial]

What part of "I was talking about senior football" do you not understand? Are you being deliberately obtuse?

And the other clubs have nothing to do with this discussion. This is about a club that was set up to represent the Greater Western Sydney area.

I am simply pointing out how they aren't fully living up to that objective.

Some of you Giants supporters are so thin-skinned and precious, it's laughable. Won't be long before your partner in crime arrives, I'm sure.....

What garbage. Your trolling because the Giants are concentrating on junior football instead of the state seniors.

Nothing more.

You obviously still have no idea about what the club is doing in Western Sydney, strange considering your supposed knowledge. Thats right its only about seniors for you.

Not thin skinned at all. Listened to yours and others crap for 5 years.
Now its just annoying.

They are doing exactly what they set out to do and what is needed.

All this dislike for a club just because they havent sent someone out to the rams to say hi.

 

[sherb]

No not that. That was not the AFLs fault. They did their best to get the stadium further west I'm betting.

Early in formation there was talk of how places like the inner west are Western Sydney.
The afl also needs to understand that Sydney is completely different from Melbourne, and they need to understand the culture, people, and even their views on football.

A stadium more central to the GWS area certainly would have been preferable, but the current venue is excellent and in the GWS area, albeit on the eastern extreme.

As for the bolded, I couldn't agree more and you do that by engaging with people. Especially those with an existing stake in the game. And they could certainly do better in that department in my view.

 

[sherb]

What garbage. Your trolling because the Giants are concentrating on junior football instead of the state seniors.

Nothing more.

You obviously still have no idea about what the club is doing in Western Sydney, strange considering your supposed knowledge. Thats right its only about seniors for you.

Not thin skinned at all. Listened to yours and others crap for 5 years.
Now its just annoying.

They are doing exactly what they set out to do and what is needed.

All this dislike for a club just because they havent sent someone out to the rams to say hi.

I am not trolling, I am putting forward valid views. It's not my fault you aren't mature enough to digest them.

My first post in this thread wasn't even addressed to you, so don't talk to me if you are not up to taking in what I say.

You were just being rude for the sake of starting an argument. You could have stayed out altogether and shown a bit of class and courtesy in doing so.

It's not only about seniors for me by the way, I am just putting forward that viewpoint as that is my involvement in the game. I have told you before I want the Giants to succeed and am a member.

As for the bolded, that is just childish rubbish. And a blatant lie as well. Try to be better than that please.

The Giants need to decide if they want to be a Western Sydney club or not. The jury is still out on that for mine.

Oh - and stop being so thin skinned. No AFL club is immune from criticism, you aren't particularly alone when it comes to that.

You should have been around in the early to mid 2000s when Carlton was being battered from pillar to post on these boards......

 

[Seedsfan]

They have been active with the Goannas as well as every junior club.

Soooo incorrect

Not really he specified senior clubs and you say that it is incorrect because the are involved with junior clubs