Expansion 3rd Sydney AFL side prediction

[sthmelb_dimmies]

2. The three most-viewed AFL/VFL grand finals in Australian TV sport history were 2005, 2006, and 2012. What is the common denominator of all three?

1?

 

[The Swans Blog]

Should be Norwood and Tasmania

Can't be serious right? Adelaide & Port Adelaide have been financial basket cases for so long. Really poor monetisation of memberships, marketing and sponsorships, shocking stadium deals, garbage on and off field performance, salary cap cheating (Crows) etc.

While the state is passionate about football, there's no way that SA could possibly support a 3rd team.

I think that if there were to be a new team, the AFL would introduce a 2nd team either at the same time or shortly after to avoid having byes. I'd wager that the most likely destinations would be:
1. Perth; large population base of footy-mad supporters, both Western teams have very large memberships
2. Sydney; very large population base that's starting to embrace AFL
3. Tasmania; small population base, footy-mad supporters but not financially viable. I don't see Tasmania ever being profitable.

 

[Garlic muncher]

They need to be talking to Cricket Australia. "We" (AFL & Cricket Australia) could go all in on a new 35,000 seat oval ground in Newcastle if Cricket Australia commits to a Big Bash franchise in Newcastle.

Keep in mind, I'm looking at 2030 here for this team.

No real hurry. The TV rights deal after the TV rights deal that comes after the TV rights deal that comes after the current TV rights deal.

NSW/ACT AFL and Cricket NSW have been pushing for a redevelopment of No.1 Sportsground Since 2010 that would include increasing the pitch size, new seating and amenities and broadcast-standard lighting.

There are also plans to build a multipurpose indoor training facility on the site.

The two sporting bodies have proposed to provide 10 per cent of the funding for the $5 million project.
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3354988/upgrading-sportsground-should-be-a-no1-priority/

 

[theRainbowGame]

I think GWS will need 20 years to consolidate its position. And no...beating a few sides this year and making finals doesn't count. The Swans made the finals in 1987 and were almost extinct within a couple of years. We're talking 20 years to build a supporter base of 24k rusted on supporters which will future proof the side. The Swans landed in '83 and didn't have that until the late 90's.

I agree. It is much more about finance and supporter numbers than onfield results. Building a strong culture and links with the games will only help grow the game. The AFL has alot more knowledge about how to grow the game now than they did in 83 (though they are ridiculously out of touch with western sydney).

If the AFL were serious about basing a team north of Sydney, they would need to invest a lot of money over the next 20-30 years to build the grassroots support necessary to justify the money.

As for the AFL talent pool, that's why the Academy system is so important. It needs to be producing local talent on a regular basis (and enough of it, so that it's feeding players directly into other clubs around the country) before any of that will be possible.

I believe they already have plans in place all over Sydney. North Sydney is Swans heartland, but id say Newcastle may be a good bet, and also South Sydney, and the inner west. Maybe even a second Western Sydney team.
The academies are a key part in the puzzle. The other key part is getting a successful school based competition.
The MAJOR part of the puzzle is getting rid of the dinosaurs at the Terrorgraph who put down football at any opportunity, and as such brainwash the western sydney population.

 

[Ian Dunross]

Can't be serious right? Adelaide & Port Adelaide have been financial basket cases for so long. Really poor monetisation of memberships, marketing and sponsorships, shocking stadium deals, garbage on and off field performance, salary cap cheating (Crows) etc.

My god man, have you the shortest memory in history?

 

[SherbertLemon]

Don't think there will ever be enough love for the game north of the border to truly sustain more teams.

 

[Salty Sod]

You guys are kidding. Gws isn't even working yet. Fmd

 

[PhatBoy]

Sports journalist based in NSW speaking here.

While there might be the fundamental demographics in either Wollongong or the Central Coast/Newcastle (over a million in the latter) to support an AFL side, it just isn't going to happen.

Undeniably the sport is gaining wider recognition as an acceptable code to follow - only soccer really suffers the scorn of the rugby league and union fraternity as far as being soft goes - but there is simply no way it is going to happen on a 20,000 minimum every week basis. Tassie seriously has a far bigger chance of doing that, with the added bonus that they won't lose interest the instant the results start going downhill because they don't appreciate the game itself.

 

[stevie26]

Another Sydney team and one from Tassie. We could get another 2 teams from any of Perth, Adelaide, Darwin and maybe Canberra. (Perth most likely) That's 22 teams for a 21 round season. Home and away games to be rotated every season to finally make a fair draw. I like the idea of wildcard playoffs for the last 2 spots in the finals before the real finals begin.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

If Newcastle is chosen, you will be able to hear the howls from the NRL boys at Etihad.

and you'd here the howls from etithad at cape york. but that's besides the point. further expansion into the east coast is a long, long way off. the giants are still 20 years away from having a sustainable fan base, there's a growing rift between club sustainability in Victoria, you've got a shift into academy's, a growing desire for more grounds in melbourne which will only further hit the smaller vic clubs, no matter how much those handing out free kool aid tells them it won't. mounting pressure to establish Tasmanian franchise, issues over tv deals, the draw, drug cheats, clubs being forced to sell home games, either to make profit or so another team can make profit, deplorable umpires and serious financial hit to many clubs looms as the reality of poker machine reforms grows ever closer.

GWS and GC are far from embedded and what i just listed is but a handful of issues facing the afl moving forward, there's simply far too much on the plate to double down on expansion anytime soon, add to all of this the fact that all it takes to return to the days of folding, merging and relocating clubs is a change of personal at AFL HQ.

 

[telsor]

Gawd, that one again.

1. What is the most-watched NSW sporting team of any sport? (I'll give you a clue; it's the Sydney Swans.)

2. The three most-viewed AFL/VFL grand finals in Australian TV sport history were 2005, 2006, and 2012. What is the common denominator of all three?

The problem with '2' is that that's the only game they watch.

Most weeks, the VFL/WAFL/SANFL 'match of the round' rates better.

Factor in that the AFL forces Ch7 to show every game live into Sydney and any 'extra' TV money made from the occasional GF is gone.

 

[telsor]

and you'd here the howls from etithad at cape york. but that's besides the point. further expansion into the east coast is a long, long way off. the giants are still 20 years away from having a sustainable fan base, there's a growing rift between club sustainability in Victoria, you've got a shift into academy's, a growing desire for more grounds in melbourne which will only further hit the smaller vic clubs, no matter how much those handing out free kool aid tells them it won't. mounting pressure to establish Tasmanian franchise, issues over tv deals, the draw, drug cheats, clubs being forced to sell home games, either to make profit or so another team can make profit, deplorable umpires and serious financial hit to many clubs looms as the reality of poker machine reforms grows ever closer.

GWS and GC are far from embedded and what i just listed is but a handful of issues facing the afl moving forward, there's simply far too much on the plate to double down on expansion anytime soon, add to all of this the fact that all it takes to return to the days of folding, merging and relocating clubs is a change of personal at AFL HQ.

Considering the Vic clubs are the ones paying for Football in NSW & QLD, you'd better hope that they stay healthy...At least long enough for those clubs to be able to stand on their feet without being propped up by the AFL (on field and financially).

 

[Colonial]

I agree. It is much more about finance and supporter numbers than onfield results. Building a strong culture and links with the games will only help grow the game. The AFL has alot more knowledge about how to grow the game now than they did in 83 (though they are ridiculously out of touch with western sydney).



I believe they already have plans in place all over Sydney. North Sydney is Swans heartland, but id say Newcastle may be a good bet, and also South Sydney, and the inner west. Maybe even a second Western Sydney team.
The academies are a key part in the puzzle. The other key part is getting a successful school based competition.
The MAJOR part of the puzzle is getting rid of the dinosaurs at the Terrorgraph who put down football at any opportunity, and as such brainwash the western sydney population.

Well thats a strange and rubbish read.

Out of touch with Western Sydney? Haha yeah champ what ever you reckon

 

[Sydney Bloods]

Considering the Vic clubs are the ones paying for Football in NSW & QLD, you'd better hope that they stay healthy...At least long enough for those clubs to be able to stand on their feet without being propped up by the AFL (on field and financially).

whilst i thoroughly enjoy using you as wind up toy, could you maybe trying understanding context once in your life.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

The problem with '2' is that that's the only game they watch.

Most weeks, the VFL/WAFL/SANFL 'match of the round' rates better.

Factor in that the AFL forces Ch7 to show every game live into Sydney and any 'extra' TV money made from the occasional GF is gone.

Yes, I agree it was just one fact in isolation. But my broader point was in response to whoever it was (you? Apologies, don't have time to chase it up) who was basically saying no-one in NSW is interested in AFL. There is a long way to go; we who live in NSW and love the game are more than aware of that, but to say that, was just rubbish.

 

[theRainbowGame]

Well thats a strange and rubbish read.

Out of touch with Western Sydney? Haha yeah champ what ever you reckon

Ask the AFL exec or commission some basic facts about Western Sydney that any Western Sydney resident would know and see what they say.

Some interesting questions whey should know are where Western Sydney starts, and where it ends. And also the history of sport in the area with rugby league and soccer.

 

[Colonial]

Ask the AFL exec or commission some basic facts about Western Sydney that any Western Sydney resident would know and see what they say.

Some interesting questions whey should know are where Western Sydney starts, and where it ends. And also the history of sport in the area with rugby league and soccer.

Oh not this olympic park isnt western sydney shit again.

Thats just so 2012.

 

[marty36]

Can't be serious right? Adelaide & Port Adelaide have been financial basket cases for so long. Really poor monetisation of memberships, marketing and sponsorships, shocking stadium deals, garbage on and off field performance, salary cap cheating (Crows) etc.

While the state is passionate about football, there's no way that SA could possibly support a 3rd team.

I think that if there were to be a new team, the AFL would introduce a 2nd team either at the same time or shortly after to avoid having byes. I'd wager that the most likely destinations would be:
1. Perth; large population base of footy-mad supporters, both Western teams have very large memberships
2. Sydney; very large population base that's starting to embrace AFL
3. Tasmania; small population base, footy-mad supporters but not financially viable. I don't see Tasmania ever being profitable.

You cant be serious abouit Adelaide, we stand on our own two feet and infact contribute to the other clubs through the BS equalisation programme because clubs like yours are financial basket cases.

Saying that South Australia doesnt have the population to warrant another team and the eastern seaboard does and is the only way to expand the sport, even if it is paid for by the AFL as they already do with the NEAFL and the northern state teams.

 

[SunsSupporter]

There will not be another Sydney team in the competition in the next 50 years at least.
Anyone who thinks otherwise are kidding themselves.

 

[catters05]

Will be a third WA team and a Tasmanian team before another NSW team.

 

[Ian Dunross]

There will not be another Sydney team in the competition in the next 50 years at least.
Anyone who thinks otherwise are kidding themselves.

If you said there'd be a second Sydney team in 15 years time in the early 90s you'd have been laughed at.

 

[Big Blood]

Fact: the Suns will be dismantled as an AFL team before a third team starts in NSW.

 

[SunsSupporter]

There are already too many teams. We do not need more teams, we need less to improve the quality of the competition.
If you want more teams, at least split the division into 2 divisions so we get more competitive matches.

 

[FootyJunkie]

Fact: the Suns will be dismantled as an AFL team before a third team starts in NSW.

Suns and Lions to merge.
Queensland Sun Lions
9 games at the GABBA with a token game at the Gold Coast and up in Cairns

enter North Sydney Bears
10 games at North Sydney Oval, derby with Sydney at the SCG

 

[Colonial]

Suns and Lions to merge.
Queensland Sun Lions
9 games at the GABBA with a token game at the Gold Coast and up in Cairns

enter North Sydney Bears
10 games at North Sydney Oval, derby with Sydney at the SCG

The Swans, while have accepted is now, werent exactly happy sharing Sydney. They would be livid giving up North Sydney.

Besides which will never happen