Player Watch #4: Dustin Martin

[Wacky Tiger]

He's doing the right thing by Dusty though.

Shock horror, agent looks after player

 

[Calcium Man]

robbo is close with ralph carr. so his mail would be pretty good on this. dusty has no career after footy he needs max $ we will up it and he will stay

He'll be fine after football, between Richmond, the AFL and government he'll become some sort of multicultural/indiginous officer with his work at Korin Gamadji.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

I'm going to start studying the injury lists of other clubs to see if I can work out who we'll end up with.

Close to poty.lol

 

[Bojangles17]

HAnnebury
Heeney
Hartlett
JoM
Fyfe
Shiel

Have all laughed off NM , Nigerian scam style offers , DM would be wise to do the same

 

[tugga]

Can't see us doing a trade for both Kelly and Martin. I think Martin will stay, his manager is probably just using the opportunity to drive up the asking price. If he loves the club as much as some posters have suggested, not sure why he hasn't put pen to paper yet or why he would ransom the club if he intended to stay.

If Richmond isn't prepared to pay him more than $800k a year for 4 years, or whatever the offer is, and we put down $1.2m for 6 or 7 years and Richmond matches it, you have effectively just agreed to pay him his market value plus a premium, because the amount we are offering includes a significant premium to switch clubs. I doubt there is any chance of us negotiating a trade if you match the offer.

If he really loves Richmond, he should sit down and come to terms, it wont be a great outcome if he is looking at free agency offers come the end of the season.

That's pretty much the way I see it.
Clubs have now woken up to the restricted free agent rules. Match the bid and sit back and wait and see what happens.
My understanding is that we offered $800k over five years but have now upped it to $950k. I would think we would need to go even higher still to keep him. I think he would stay if it was $1mill over five years regardless of what another club offered.
My opinion on why he hasn't signed is that his manager is a ruthless bastard and will do anything he can to get the most he can for his client which is his right I guess. I often think that managers have too much say. They need to remember that they work FOR their client. The player doesn't work for his manager.
If he is an unrestricted free agent, then that's a different story.

 

[Tigey]

Apparently we won't budge on 800

Apparently....cool story

 

[jc12]

Yeah mate, said that all along, nothing will happen till the payment deal is official. You got to keep in mind, Dusty is not the only player we want to keep and also chase after. Might be a very good off season for us.

I figured that all along, i wonder why that hasnt been said in the media as much, maybe its because it doesnt seem like an interesting story as "DUSTY LEAVES RICHMOND....maybe"

 

[KingRagnar93]

Norf are offering a lot of money, but seriously, its Norf. There's been a few quality players who have not been interested in them, I am very confident Dusty will do the same, can't see him leaving the tigers, especially for norf.

 

[tigerz18]

Dusty should be getting paid $1m/year before the TPP gets signed off. is he worth $1m per year, yes. so do it. the TPP will go up, everyone knows that, and we are surely not pushing the salary cap at the moment, so why would this be a problem? bonuses etc may be an issue, but just hold off other peoples contract talks until the TPP is signed.

 

[tigs2010]

When did Norf become a club with $1 million to pay it's players with?

 

[Tigey]

When did Norf become a club with $1 million to pay it's players with?

When did north become relevant?

 

[Bojangles17]

Norf are doing this to Be relevant , with AFLW now competing for airtime they are shit scared of fading into oblivion.
First a half baked relocation to Hobart now throwing money around like trailer trash thats just won the lottery

It all spells one thing
D e s p e r a t I o n

 

[richoatthedisco]

He'll be fine after football, between Richmond, the AFL and government he'll become some sort of multicultural/indiginous officer with his work at Korin Gamadji.

Not to mention he'll retire with millions in the bank and would already have a smart financial manager looking after his money. If he invests wisely, he'll never have to work again.

When did Norf become a club with $1 million to pay it's players with?

It's called Equalisation. It means the AFL takes money from strong clubs like ours and gives it to povvo outfits like ****ing lol ****ing Norf.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

He'll be fine after football, between Richmond, the AFL and government he'll become some sort of multicultural/indiginous officer with his work at Korin Gamadji.

Do you know how much social workers earn?

No chance

 

[Tas]

That's pretty much the way I see it.
Clubs have now woken up to the restricted free agent rules. Match the bid and sit back and wait and see what happens.
My understanding is that we offered $800k over five years but have now upped it to $950k. I would think we would need to go even higher still to keep him. I think he would stay if it was $1mill over five years regardless of what another club offered.
My opinion on why he hasn't signed is that his manager is a ruthless bastard and will do anything he can to get the most he can for his client which is his right I guess. I often think that managers have too much say. They need to remember that they work FOR their client. The player doesn't work for his manager.
If he is an unrestricted free agent, then that's a different story.

I agree some managers are complete mercenaries and only think about the money, but the players have the ultimate say, I don't think it is 100% the fault of the manager, although they are a significant contributing factor. Players under certain managers tend to push aggressively for the maximum return irrespective of it's impact on the club or his players chance of having success, there is an opportunity cost when it comes to pushing for the maximum possible return.

Now that he knows roughly what his market value is, imo he should instruct his manager and do a deal that isn't going to cripple Richmond in the process, and shouldn't be expecting to be earning the premium that other clubs pay to switch clubs.

Similarly, if we get Kelly and/or a free agent, our club has to be mindful of what impact that is going to have in terms of being able to retain players and have enough depth to contend in the future. The draft system has definitely restricted access to the top end of talent, we have only had 1 top 5 pick in the last 10 years and only 2 in the 6-10 range, we have plenty of good quality contributors but the system hasn't given us much of a look at marquee level talent.

I think we have plenty of space to lure two players of that kind of calibre, but that is largely because we haven't been caught in the trap of overpaying players, Collingwood have Greenwood and Mayne on the books that is costing them about $1m a year, they also took Wells off our hands paying him in excess of $500k and are grossly overpaying Aish as well they lured from Brisbane. I think if they weren't as desperate as they have been, they could have had the capacity to lure in another gun or two. As soon as Collingwood put unreasonable offers to Greenwood and Wells, we let them go rather than be stuck with premium overpriced contracts.

Martin is well wort fighting for but there are limits in terms of chasing premium offers, GWS was pretty much forced to concede Kelly was going and didn't budge on his offer, even if they could force one or two promising kids out to retain him, it could set a dangerous precedence when other players come out of contract.

 

[Tiges1229]

I agree some managers are complete mercenaries and only think about the money, but the players have the ultimate say, I don't think it is 100% the fault of the manager, although they are a significant contributing factor. Players under certain managers tend to push aggressively for the maximum return irrespective of it's impact on the club or his players chance of having success, there is an opportunity cost when it comes to pushing for the maximum possible return.

Now that he knows roughly what his market value is, imo he should instruct his manager and do a deal that isn't going to cripple Richmond in the process, and shouldn't be expecting to be earning the premium that other clubs pay to switch clubs.

Similarly, if we get Kelly and/or a free agent, our club has to be mindful of what impact that is going to have in terms of being able to retain players and have enough depth to contend in the future. The draft system has definitely restricted access to the top end of talent, we have only had 1 top 5 pick in the last 10 years and only 2 in the 6-10 range, we have plenty of good quality contributors but the system hasn't given us much of a look at marquee level talent.

I think we have plenty of space to lure two players of that kind of calibre, but that is largely because we haven't been caught in the trap of overpaying players, Collingwood have Greenwood and Mayne on the books that is costing them about $1m a year, they also took Wells off our hands paying him in excess of $500k and are grossly overpaying Aish as well they lured from Brisbane. I think if they weren't as desperate as they have been, they could have had the capacity to lure in another gun or two. As soon as Collingwood put unreasonable offers to Greenwood and Wells, we let them go rather than be stuck with premium overpriced contracts.

Martin is well wort fighting for but there are limits in terms of chasing premium offers, GWS was pretty much forced to concede Kelly was going and didn't budge on his offer, even if they could force one or two promising kids out to retain him, it could set a dangerous precedence when other players come out of contract.

you reckon you guys will get Kelly ?

 

[Wackelpudding]

When did north become relevant?

Briefly when they brought their way into the 1974 Grand Final.

Us against the world it was. And it ended in a victory for the forces of good.

 

[tugga]

I agree some managers are complete mercenaries and only think about the money, but the players have the ultimate say, I don't think it is 100% the fault of the manager, although they are a significant contributing factor. Players under certain managers tend to push aggressively for the maximum return irrespective of it's impact on the club or his players chance of having success, there is an opportunity cost when it comes to pushing for the maximum possible return.

Now that he knows roughly what his market value is, imo he should instruct his manager and do a deal that isn't going to cripple Richmond in the process, and shouldn't be expecting to be earning the premium that other clubs pay to switch clubs.

Similarly, if we get Kelly and/or a free agent, our club has to be mindful of what impact that is going to have in terms of being able to retain players and have enough depth to contend in the future. The draft system has definitely restricted access to the top end of talent, we have only had 1 top 5 pick in the last 10 years and only 2 in the 6-10 range, we have plenty of good quality contributors but the system hasn't given us much of a look at marquee level talent.

I think we have plenty of space to lure two players of that kind of calibre, but that is largely because we haven't been caught in the trap of overpaying players, Collingwood have Greenwood and Mayne on the books that is costing them about $1m a year, they also took Wells off our hands paying him in excess of $500k and are grossly overpaying Aish as well they lured from Brisbane. I think if they weren't as desperate as they have been, they could have had the capacity to lure in another gun or two. As soon as Collingwood put unreasonable offers to Greenwood and Wells, we let them go rather than be stuck with premium overpriced contracts.

Martin is well wort fighting for but there are limits in terms of chasing premium offers, GWS was pretty much forced to concede Kelly was going and didn't budge on his offer, even if they could force one or two promising kids out to retain him, it could set a dangerous precedence when other players come out of contract.

Yeah that's all fair enough.
The thing with Dusty is that he probably doesn't have a lot of prospects after footy. he needs to cash in now.

 

[mattt]

Ha! "Ladies First." It takes his ol' mate Swannie and a game of pool for Dusty to open up a little more.

EP1 above, all three episodes with Dusty only accessible via the Footy Live phone app.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Ha! "Ladies First." It takes his ol' mate Swannie and a game of pool for Dusty to open up a little more.

EP1 above, all three episodes with Dusty only accessible via the Footy Live phone app.

Not bad, another clue at the end.

 

[Tas]

you reckon you guys will get Kelly ?

Possible. It probably doesn't hurt our chances knowing that GWS have been in contact with our club about what they don't want as part of a trade, would be kind of ludicrous to have those types of conversations if you thought you were any hope of holding on to the player or the destination was unknown.

That being said, it isn't the easiest thing to do finding an agreeable trade even when the planets align. Lots of potential big moves fall through.

 

[Cotchy9]

Not bad, another clue at the end.

Yeah he said to Swan "any chance of getting you down to the Tigers for a year" so I think that means he's hanging around

 

[Hot tigers]

All this talk about Dusty never working again is absurd, he already has his own clothing line, he has enough money to invest in a heap of profitable projects...

 

[BKM78]

That's pretty much the way I see it.
Clubs have now woken up to the restricted free agent rules. Match the bid and sit back and wait and see what happens.
My understanding is that we offered $800k over five years but have now upped it to $950k. I would think we would need to go even higher still to keep him. I think he would stay if it was $1mill over five years regardless of what another club offered.
My opinion on why he hasn't signed is that his manager is a ruthless bastard and will do anything he can to get the most he can for his client which is his right I guess. I often think that managers have too much say. They need to remember that they work FOR their client. The player doesn't work for his manager.
If he is an unrestricted free agent, then that's a different story.

Unfortunately no. It would be nice in this situation if Dusty put his foot down with Carr and demanded a deal, it would save us all the sleepless nights! Hehe. But you don't hire an advisor and then advise them. It doesn't work that way.

 

[tugga]

Unfortunately no. It would be nice in this situation if Dusty put his foot down with Carr and demanded a deal, it would save us all the sleepless nights! Hehe. But you don't hire an advisor and then advise them. It doesn't work that way.

It may not work that way in practice most of the them, but the whole point of hiring someone is that they work for you. That's why you hire them.
Your hire a builder, he builds your house the way you want it built.