Player Watch #40: Callum Coleman-Jones

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Noidnadroj said:
For anyone panicking about losing CCJ…. now I know he’s got promise, but he’s 22yo - Mason Cox played 7 games this year and CJ 8…. Here are there season averages:

Goals: Cox 1.1 v CJ 1.4
I50’s: 1.4 v 0.8
GA’s: 0.3 v 0.1
SI’s: 4.9 v 4.3
Disp: 9.4 v 10.5
Marks: 3.7 v 3.8
CM: 1.4 v 1.4
Metres: 122 v 97

Now I think we all accept Cox is a completely useless spud of a player. And i know CJ has upside and he has only played 8 games. But it wasn’t 8 games as a 19yo kid.

Luke J is 19yo and only 1cm shorter than CJ…. he is the prototype fwd/ruck, not a slow and lumbering CJ. Good move not to tie our future to CJ - I haven’t seen enough to be convinced he’s the long-term answer as a bonafide ruck/fwd… not when you watch other young rucks like Jackson, Darcy, Draper and Marshall who would tear CJ a new one.



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Marshall is a spud.

Which Marshall are you talking about?

Jackson is a potential superstar probably chasing contracts towards 7 figures per year eventually.

Not everyone can be a superstar. The point is if you have a lessor type playing a role it should afford you to play better types to play in different positions. Its getting bang for buck and its about timing to because available cap space allows you to chase whoever at value end of this year and or next year

Here is a question, which may be more to the point, ignoring personalities. Does the club overrate certain positions compared to others and only got away with it because of Dusty's brilliance?

I have mentioned this recently. Melbourne have some guns but not a superstar list. What Melbourne do have is a better more well rounded team. So they have a good small forward in Pickett, a good young meduium forward in Fritcsh, a gun upper and coming second ruck in Jackson, gun ruck in Gawn, gun ruck rover on Oliver, gun mid/forward in Petracca, handy support in James and Viney and Brayshaw, handy wing in Langdon, good backs in May, Lever, handy support in Petty, and Tomlinson as well as handy support in other areas like McDonald and KPP like Brown at value as well as the likes of Sparrow, Rivers etc.. being quite handy and developing including depth. Melbourne has some stars, not all stars but a very good balanced team in terms of how they spread their cap over the positions over the field.

Here is another way of looking at it. Richmond have a number of players that would not make Melbournes top 22, more Melbourne players than RFC clearly would make the combined list and not just because of ability but also value in terms of the cap. A number of our players would, like Dusty obviously, but because of the balance of talent across the field positionally, a number of our players, even though more experienced would not get a gig at Melbourne I think simply because Melbourne get more bang for buck from their role players because there value is in a more balanced list based on the dispersal of talent across various roles and talent is more even and arguably at better value.

Here is another example.

Someone seems to think we are offering an aging Talia 400K with injury history. I am like WTF???

If you are offering Talia 400K we may as well get Petty from Melbourne in a trade with others for a first rounder to give to Melbourne for them to use to get Cerra. So we end up with Petty and Rivers/Jordan or whoever like Brayshaw but at least the list has more of a future with the chance of more premierships down the track.

People can whinge about Townsend but bang for buck he was a great premiership player in a great team at the right time
 
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CCJ isn't a ruckman, his best bet is a tom Lynch down the line clunker type, think a poor mans ben mcevoy...

he will improve given game time i believe, and has a good knack of finding the footy, so i do think this is a loss for the time we have invested into him
 

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cotcha now said:
Would north consider trading 1 for multiple 1st round picks and ccj?that way we could start building around Horne ..
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No chance in the world we're parting with pick 1 mate.
 
Noidnadroj said:
For anyone panicking about losing CCJ…. now I know he’s got promise, but he’s 22yo - Mason Cox played 7 games this year and CJ 8…. Here are there season averages:

Goals: Cox 1.1 v CJ 1.4
I50’s: 1.4 v 0.8
GA’s: 0.3 v 0.1
SI’s: 4.9 v 4.3
Disp: 9.4 v 10.5
Marks: 3.7 v 3.8
CM: 1.4 v 1.4
Metres: 122 v 97

Now I think we all accept Cox is a completely useless spud of a player. And i know CJ has upside and he has only played 8 games. But it wasn’t 8 games as a 19yo kid.

Luke J is 19yo and only 1cm shorter than CJ…. he is the prototype fwd/ruck, not a slow and lumbering CJ. Good move not to tie our future to CJ - I haven’t seen enough to be convinced he’s the long-term answer as a bonafide ruck/fwd… not when you watch other young rucks like Jackson, Darcy, Draper and Marshall who would tear CJ a new one.



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we should be *ahem* into Cox with those astounding numbers
 
lumpinee said:
Which vaccine?

I assume each has a different theory and your writing the story
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hes upped you on the collective minds thing that youve criticised and you havent confirmed if wether you just pick n choose when you apply that ?
im interested in your answer as well
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Are you serious?

He asked a question and I asked for a refinement.

If he is playing ducks and drakes why can he not be a man and aim up straight up rather than weaving?

As far as the collective minds go, the Bulldogs lost, Akermanis won in 2010, end of story.

St Kilda seemed to have more strength in the final as the Bulldogs doubted themselves from their weakness because they where not empowered to be themselves.

If I read the promo right the Akermanis interview might be replayed, extended version on Sunday which I will be curious to have a look at with added bits per Mike Sheahan's suggestion on Fox

Look at Geelong collectively, the fans won, the club lost and now even their fans are laughing at them like a government not for the people but of the people or special people at least!!
 
Noidnadroj said:
For anyone panicking about losing CCJ…. now I know he’s got promise, but he’s 22yo - Mason Cox played 7 games this year and CJ 8…. Here are there season averages:

Goals: Cox 1.1 v CJ 1.4
I50’s: 1.4 v 0.8
GA’s: 0.3 v 0.1
SI’s: 4.9 v 4.3
Disp: 9.4 v 10.5
Marks: 3.7 v 3.8
CM: 1.4 v 1.4
Metres: 122 v 97

Now I think we all accept Cox is a completely useless spud of a player. And i know CJ has upside and he has only played 8 games. But it wasn’t 8 games as a 19yo kid.

Luke J is 19yo and only 1cm shorter than CJ…. he is the prototype fwd/ruck, not a slow and lumbering CJ. Good move not to tie our future to CJ - I haven’t seen enough to be convinced he’s the long-term answer as a bonafide ruck/fwd… not when you watch other young rucks like Jackson, Darcy, Draper and Marshall who would tear CJ a new one.



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Champion data said Cox is elite.
 

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Mr Magic said:
hes upped you on the collective minds thing that youve criticised and you havent confirmed if wether you just pick n choose when you apply that ?
im interested in your answer as well
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Are you serious?

He asked a question and I asked for a refinement.

If he is playing ducks and drakes why can he not be a man and aim up straight up rather than weaving?

As far as the collective minds go, the Bulldogs lost, Akermanis won in 2010, end of story.

St Kilda seemed to have more strength in the final as the Bulldogs doubted themselves from their weakness because they where not empowered to be themselves.

If I read the promo right the Akermanis interview might be replayed, extended version on Sunday which I will be curious to have a look at with added bits per Mike Sheahan's suggestion on Fox

Look at Geelong collectively, the fans won, the club lost and now even their fans are laughing at them like a government not for the people but of the people or special people at least!!
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so does your opinion on individual need apply to the vaccine is what he asked,thats all,i understand and agree on the Akermanis cafuffle at the dogs
no handstand,the no media palava they imposed on the guy,they shot themselves in the foot.
 
North will want to do a deal during the trade period to ward off any possibility of CCJ changing his mind before the PSD and re-signing.
I still don’t think they will budge on 38 though.
If we get a 2nd or 3rd round compo for Marbs we could perhaps package those two picks to pies and dogs for points in exchange for a future 2nd and 3rd.
 
lumpinee said:
Are you serious?

He asked a question and I asked for a refinement.

If he is playing ducks and drakes why can he not be a man and aim up straight up rather than weaving?

As far as the collective minds go, the Bulldogs lost, Akermanis won in 2010, end of story.

St Kilda seemed to have more strength in the final as the Bulldogs doubted themselves from their weakness because they where not empowered to be themselves.

If I read the promo right the Akermanis interview might be replayed, extended version on Sunday which I will be curious to have a look at with added bits per Mike Sheahan's suggestion on Fox

Look at Geelong collectively, the fans won, the club lost and now even their fans are laughing at them like a government not for the people but of the people or special people at least!!
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so does your opinion on individual need apply to the vaccine is what he asked,thats all,i understand and agree on the Akermanis cafuffle at the dogs
no handstand,the no media palava they imposed on the guy,they shot themselves in the foot.
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So what is the question between the vaccine and the individual? Maybe the question was a little cryptic. What exactly is the question relating to vaccines and individuality?

Is this question about the choice to take a vaccine or not? Is this the question regarding individuality versus collective in terms of the choice to get vaccinated or not versus following some group/regulatory directive?
 
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North will also want to get a deal done out of good faith as well. Unless your name is dodoro you need a good working relationship with the other clubs
 
tugga said:
38.
They will want to get a deal done for 38.
As opposed to not listening at all and waking him to the psd
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The tricky part for us is our fantastic draft hand makes another third round pick not overly valuable. We won’t need seven picks in the top 50. I think we’d be best to attempt to upgrade a pick or get a future draft pick.

North finishing last and getting the first PSD pick really hurts us, especially with Adelaide bring it back in vogue last year with Hately.
 
Jozzy said:
The tricky part for us is our fantastic draft hand makes another third round pick not overly valuable. We won’t need seven picks in the top 50. I think we’d be best to attempt to upgrade a pick or get a future draft pick.

North finishing last and getting the first PSD pick really hurts us, especially with Adelaide bring it back in vogue last year with Hately.
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We could trade 38 to pies or dogs who need points for a future.
 
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