Past 40. Michael Gibbons

[Monkey King]

If I remember rightly Gibbo was studying part time at Uni when we drafted him & he has probably had some opportunities fall in his lap since being at the club, so he may well not need to go back to laying carpets.

If his personality had anything to do with him being delisted then our club is in a lot of trouble. He was one of only a handful of extroverts on our list. One of the criticisms our club has copped at times is that overall we are too introverted.

I hope so. I just recall the multiple times he mentioned how amazed he was to be laying carpet one week and playing footy for a living the next. I sure hope it works out for him outside footy, or even better that he gets another crack at AFL somewhere.

Extroversion is but one of the 5 big personality traits. As I said, all in my imagination. Not suggesting this has occurred anywhere but there. I just have this idea that Gibbo wouldn't rub the right way with Diesel's vision for the team. If someone is 50-50 on talent, something like that might push it over the line.

 

[Bluezer]

Genuinely stiff but understand the reasoning. Best of luck to Gibbo, he'd be a shot at another chance at AFL level somewhere I'd think.

 

[Arr0w]

Top 10 endurance at the club is not really the elite weapon you're going to need to make it as an AFL level mid when you're that size.

Actually he has more endurance than most of our mids. You do realise Prestia, Zorko, Devon Smith are the same height yeah? Smith and Prestia aren't quick, nor are they x-factor players

So your assumptions of players at that height can't make it as mids at AFL is incorrect

 

[Bennyboy7777]

Top 10 endurance at the club is not really the elite weapon you're going to need to make it as an AFL level mid when you're that size.

Take a look at his stats in 2019. Only behind Walsh for average distance covered per game at Carlton and much of his time not played in midfield. This would suggest he is right up at the pointy end of endurance athletes at our club and an extremely hard worker on and off field. In fact, reading through this article he just about top 10 in the league for average distances covered per game during 2019!

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I’m really surprised he was given the chop,” and I can think of a few who’d I’ve have thought would be delisted ahead of him. Surely he’ll be picked up by another club; I really hope he succeeds somewhere else at AFL level and believe he’s an AFL level player.

 

[DangerousD]

I hope Gibbo puts his hands up for a spot in the VFL side, might be a chance at being re rookied or picked up early next year.

 

[Arr0w]

Take a look at his stats in 2019. Only behind Walsh for average distance covered per game at Carlton and much of his time not played in midfield. This would suggest he is right up at the pointy end of endurance athletes at our club and an extremely hard worker on and off field. In fact, reading through this article he just about top 10 in the league for average distances covered per game during 2019!

Speed machines and endurance beasts

Check out who each club's fastest and fittest are.

www.hawthornfc.com.au

I’m really surprised he was given the chop,” and I can think of a few who’d I’ve have thought would be delisted ahead of him. Surely he’ll be picked up by another club; I really hope he succeeds somewhere else at AFL level and believe he’s an AFL level player.

Glad you posted it, he has "elite" endurance and the same height as a Prestia

2020, Gibbons was top 5 in 5 games for distance covered ( averaging 12KMS in shorten games as a flanker), Prestia, never made top 5 once (did play less games) as a midfielder

Stamos has a bias against Gibbons, but can't admit it. In fact has a bias against most of the older players, including Curnow, Newnes, Newman.

 

[El Topo]

Let's see if someone else picks him up - could put some of the grandstanding on here into perspective

 

[Stamos]

Glad you posted it, he has "elite" endurance and the same height as a Prestia

2020, Gibbons was top 5 in 5 games for distance covered ( averaging 12KMS in shorten games as a flanker), Prestia, never made top 5 once (did play less games) as a midfielder

Stamos has a bias against Gibbons, but can't admit it. In fact has a bias against most of the older players, including Curnow, Newnes, Newman.

Prestia, ‘the Human Meatball’ has 7 kg on Gibbons as listed. It’s about size, not just height.

My point is to make it as a mid at his size, you need an elite weapon. And even if his endurance is elite, that’s not the weapon that’s going to cover other deficiencies at that size. So read elite disposal, or elite running (which is different to endurance, it requires pace, or at least a burst).

It’s not bias. If you can’t see that he doesn’t have the weapons to make it as an AFL level mid, take it up with Austin and Voss.

He did really well to play 47 AFL games.

 

[Arr0w]

Prestia, ‘the Human Meatball’ has 7 kg on Gibbons as listed. It’s about size, not just height.

My point is to make it as a mid at his size, you need an elite weapon. And even if his endurance is elite, that’s not the weapon that’s going to cover other deficiencies at that size. So read elite disposal, or elite running (which is different to endurance, it requires pace, or at least a burst).

It’s not bias. If you can’t see that he doesn’t have the weapons to make it as an AFL level mid, take it up with Austin and Voss.

He did really well to play 47 AFL games.

So have gone from Gibbo didn't have elite endurance, when he did, height, now you are grasping at weight? You know for a fact that what's listed is correct?

Back to some tangibles, has similar disposal efficiency by foot, better endurance than Prestia.

You know how efficiency stats work, kick a point, hit a play that drops an easy mark, etc from under 40, its inefficient

Kick the beyond 40 from a centre clearances to a 50/50, or a teammate that drops a mark, it's considered effective

Based on your statements, including this height, endurance, efficiency factors, Gibbons would be a similar comparison to Prestia

What else would you like to include now?

 

[Arr0w]

Let's see if someone else picks him up - could put some of the grandstanding on here into perspective

Like that would be the measure ?

Check out the averages of players Gibbo outperformed this year, biggest difference they are contracted

Would they be picked up if they were OOC and delist? We would never know

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Absolutely disgraceful decision. He had a crack in every game he played.

 

[Bennyboy7777]

Prestia, ‘the Human Meatball’ has 7 kg on Gibbons as listed. It’s about size, not just height.

My point is to make it as a mid at his size, you need an elite weapon. And even if his endurance is elite, that’s not the weapon that’s going to cover other deficiencies at that size. So read elite disposal, or elite running (which is different to endurance, it requires pace, or at least a burst).

It’s not bias. If you can’t see that he doesn’t have the weapons to make it as an AFL level mid, take it up with Austin and Voss.

He did really well to play 47 AFL games.

How would you know he’s not a very good midfielder at AFL level? He was barely played there. We have drafted so many mids that it’s contributed to stifling their development because they haven’t been given time through their best position. Look at all the mids (prob their best/preferred position) on our list during 2021:
-Cripps, Walsh, Dow, Curnow, Kennedy, Fisher, SPS, Setterfield, Martin, Fogarty, Stocker, Cunningham and Gibbons.

This doesn’t even include players such as: Kemp (thought was that he could develop into powerful mid), Carroll, Philip and Ramsay.

Believe there has been mismanagement of our list. Can’t just draft an abundance of mids, hoping that the more you draft them, the greater the chance of fielding a great on ball unit because too many means you can’t give them all the chance to play/develop in their best position.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

It's harsh, but it's the right call. Same as Ramsey. I take it as a positive.

When you're on an upward curve, the 'good honest battlers' start to thin out on the list.

 

[jackn]

Absolutely disgraceful decision. He had a crack in every game he played.

It's sad but far from a disgraceful decision. He's definitely not best 22 and he's uncontracted at the time list sizes shrink. Unfortunate timing but absolutely not a disgraceful decision.

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

It's sad but far from a disgraceful decision. He's definitely not best 22 and he's uncontracted at the time list sizes shrink. Unfortunate timing but absolutely not a disgraceful decision.

Yeh let's keep Newnes.

 

[El Topo]

Like that would be the measure ?

Check out the averages of players Gibbo outperformed this year, biggest difference they are contracted

Would they be picked up if they were OOC and delist? We would never know

Not talking about stats, talking about AFL attributes or the lack thereof - fwiw I think Owies is the one who's taken his spot on the list

 

[Arr0w]

Not talking about stats, talking about AFL attributes or the lack thereof - fwiw I think Owies is the one who's taken his spot on the list

Then its purely an opinion, would have been interesting with different contract status

What I always find strange is people making up bullshit to suit opinion/agendas

Like people suggesting Willo should have played in front of Newman

 

[El Topo]

Then its purely an opinion, would have been interesting with different contract status

What I always find strange is people making up bullshit to suit opinion/agendas

Like people suggesting Willo should have played in front of Newman

ok

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

It's harsh, but it's the right call. Same as Ramsey. I take it as a positive.

When you're on an upward curve, the 'good honest battlers' start to thin out on the list.

This is about right. The only spots I can see on this list that gibbo could've taken, taking into account contract status are Ed and Newnes. Who probably both have gibbo covered.

Hopefully he gets another crack somewhere.

 

[djw1952]

Absolutely disgraceful decision. He had a crack in every game he played.

Totally agree and like he said today himself, he played as a mid at Williamstown but Carlton has played him primarily as a small forward, so it`s a pretty poor excuse the club gives in saying that he would be squeezed out of our 2022 midfield!!! We have not gone and recruited any small forwards to "squeeze him out" of the team exactly, so why bother telling a **** & bull story to justify flicking him!!! Poor effort in doing this Carlton, as he was an "honest" player who worked his butt off to get to where he did.....

 

[Bennyboy7777]

This is about right. The only spots I can see on this list that gibbo could've taken, taking into account contract status are Ed and Newnes. Who probably both have gibbo covered.

Hopefully he gets another crack somewhere.

Newnes really butchers the ball, fumbles too often and makes poor decisions, resulting in many goals to our opposition. Gibbons is far more valuable in my opinion. Gibbons has more runs on the board than Owies. Can’t understand the Club’s decision.

 

[Jeremias]

Newnes really butchers the ball, fumbles too often and makes poor decisions, resulting in many goals to our opposition. Gibbons is far more valuable in my opinion. Gibbons has more runs on the board than Owies. Can’t understand the Club’s decision.

Apples and oranges IMO.

Newnes is the far superior footballer, and plays a position we have significantly fewer options for.

 

[El Topo]

Totally agree and like he said today himself, he played as a mid at Williamstown but Carlton has played him primarily as a small forward, so it`s a pretty poor excuse the club gives in saying that he would be squeezed out of our 2022 midfield!!! We have not gone and recruited any small forwards to "squeeze him out" of the team exactly, so why bother telling a **** & bull story to justify flicking him!!! Poor effort in doing this Carlton, as he was an "honest" player who worked his butt off to get to where he did.....

Honey & Owies kicking goals in the 1s, Durdin to come through next year, Fisher younger and contracted, the obvious additions to the midfield - tough decision but not out of nowhere

 

[Arr0w]

Honey & Owies kicking goals in the 1s, Durdin to come through next year, Fisher younger and contracted, the obvious additions to the midfield - tough decision but not out of nowhere

A decision based on potential?

Has all those players covered for output this year, along with Fog

 

[djw1952]

Newnes really butchers the ball, fumbles too often and makes poor decisions, resulting in many goals to our opposition. Gibbons is far more valuable in my opinion. Gibbons has more runs on the board than Owies. Can’t understand the Club’s decision.

I thought I saw on here a while ago where Newnes got the flick already, along with Parkes & Boyd?