Past #43: Sam Gibson - #63 '12 RD - 130 consec. NM games (club record) - NM --> ADL for pk91 '17 ND

[North Viking]

I guess to Gibbo the signs were not obvious as to why he wasn’t offered a new contract.

It’s easy enough to miss some of these key indicators below.
-moved 4 veterans on last year
-played 13 debutants this year, a club record
-dropped senior players regularly.
-adopted a play the kids youth policy.
-missed out on key signings so the aggressive reset was changed to full rebuild.

I can see how one could miss these tell tale signs.

Pull your head out of your ass Sam!!!

 

[Gasometer]

Gibson, who is overseas, said he had not had in-depth discussions about the reasons for the Kangaroos' decisions but assumed it was because they were planning on giving younger players more game time.

He has every right to be pissed off. What I read is that he wasn't told on his post season exit interview, and learnt about it whilst overseas.

The NMFC is shambolic in how it handles player de-listings and retirements. It is ******* amateur hour down there; is it any wonder we can not recruit high profile players if this is the standard of administration we see?

It is rude and disrespectful to the player. I am sad to see him go, but understand the reasons for it and will back the club in. But I am mightily pissed off with how we have treated Sam, the second longest consecutive game player in the games history. Disgraceful.

Hopeless.

And last year we make the call too early...and this year make the call so late.

 

[kaboom kid]

ummm, you do realise boomer and nds put pressure on the staff to tell them, if they would have a new contract?

Didn't they ask to know so they could organise friends/ family for their last game in Melbourne? They all declared they wanted to play on so the club's hand was forced. It's not like Hodge and Riewoldt where the player has actually decided to retire and the whole process can be then managed in a more pleasant and respectful way. The club copped a lot of stick but I don't see what else they could have done. It certainly took the wind out of our sails leading into finals. The players could have waited until after the season ended for a decision then if they weren't offered contracts, come back for a farewell presentation at a game in 2017.

 

[F_therest]

Are people responding to the headline or the interview? The guy is upset and disagrees that delisting him is a good move. I never got the impression he felt he was treated unprofessionally - he just thinks he has more to offer.

Yeah lol what's with some posters saying he's salty and being ungrateful to the club that gave him a chance?

At no point did he come off that way...

 

[F_therest]

I guess to Gibbo the signs were not obvious as to why he wasn’t offered a new contract.

It’s easy enough to miss some of these key indicators below.
-moved 4 veterans on last year
-played 13 debutants this year, a club record
-dropped senior players regularly.
-adopted a play the kids youth policy.
-missed out on key signings so the aggressive reset was changed to full rebuild.

I can see how one could miss these tell tale signs.

Pull your head out of your ass Sam!!!

Posters here will know your list and situation better than me...but i would have thought he'd be useful to keep around during the rebuild.

You can't just play a shitload of kids...that's how you do a Melbourne. Kids need experience around them to lead by example...Gibson certainly did in terms of showing kids the standards of being professional and a hard worker. At the very least he'd be handy insurance on a cheap contract even if he played some VFL games next year.

Also some big signs as to why he could have expected to get a contract...eg you say senior players were dropped regularly, but he wasn't one of them he's played 130 games straight. He finished 6th in the b&f after a 3rd place finish last year...it's rare to see a player cut after two high placed finishes in a row.

 

[kaboom kid]

How's the way Ralphy can't understand why we delisted Gibson but kept Waite and Goldstein. Goldstein is contracted you moron and so far no one has offered us anything for him. I don't think Waite had been offered a contract yet either.

 

[kaboom kid]

I guess to Gibbo the signs were not obvious as to why he wasn’t offered a new contract.

It’s easy enough to miss some of these key indicators below.
-moved 4 veterans on last year
-played 13 debutants this year, a club record
-dropped senior players regularly.
-adopted a play the kids youth policy.
-missed out on key signings so the aggressive reset was changed to full rebuild.

I can see how one could miss these tell tale signs.

Pull your head out of your ass Sam!!!

Yeah. Doesn't he read Big Footy?

 

[numchuks]

Lol at everyone crying crocodile tears over Gibbo.

For years we've been complaining about soft list management decisions, club has decided to harden up and cut the fat from a side that finished a bees dick away from the spoon and people are upset we didn't keep this bloke on because he runs a mean lap of the oval.

Ffs bloke was a rusty Datsun with a bent coat hanger aerial but fitted with a Rolls Royce engine.

Let's not oversell the guy.

 

[ChopChopDigDig]

But we do not learn. It is just rinse and repeat year in, year out.

If anything it highlights how poor the club's processes in this single area, and one must assume other areas too.

At the very least he should have been told with enough time for the club to give him a farewell game. Instead he doesn't get either the applause of the supporters, nor to say thank you to them either.

It is just shitty.

LOL. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

We gave Drew, Boomer, Spud & NDS a farewell game and were criticized for it. We didn't give Gibson a farewell game and we're criticized for it.

BTW, some of the reactions on social media are ridiculous. Gibson was a serviceable player who played for 5 years after we gave his career a lifeline. There's only a few clubs where Gibbo would have got 130 game with at all - none of which have been any where near our success over the past five years.

 

[CBSlogger]

He's struggling with the rationale..... has he forgotten Boomer last year and didn't notice the clear change of direction his delisting indicated?

As one of the smartest guys on the list he's just had an emotional moment publicly, fair enough. In the wash of up the next few weeks he'll come to terms with it and fwiw I think he'll find another club.

 

[Daniltchenko You Beauty]

Posters here will know your list and situation better than me...but i would have thought he'd be useful to keep around during the rebuild.

You can't just play a shitload of kids...that's how you do a Melbourne. Kids need experience around them to lead by example...Gibson certainly did in terms of showing kids the standards of being professional and a hard worker. At the very least he'd be handy insurance on a cheap contract even if he played some VFL games next year.

Also some big signs as to why he could have expected to get a contract...eg you say senior players were dropped regularly, but he wasn't one of them he's played 130 games straight. He finished 6th in the b&f after a 3rd place finish last year...it's rare to see a player cut after two high placed finishes in a row.

Swallow, Thompson, Waite, Tarrant, Higgins, Ziebell... there’s plenty of experienced heads who go about things the right way.

Gibbo is 32 by the start of next season, has ordinary skills, is slow and won’t be there when we next contend.

We have Atley, McDonald, MacMillan, Ahern, Clarke and Simpkin who will be competing for his position and have much higher ceilings.

If we want him purely for his training standards, he can come back for our VFL team.

It’s really not a big deal that he was let go.

 

[Lums23]

I'd recommend a few of the recent posters in this thread take 5 minutes out of your day and actually listen to his interview on trade radio. A few here would get a gig at the herald sun the way they're pulling single lines out of context

 

[koshari]

How's the way Ralphy can't understand why we delisted Gibson but kept Waite and Goldstein. Goldstein is contracted you moron and so far no one has offered us anything for him. I don't think Waite had been offered a contract yet either.

as simple a case as you put it it is still to complex for ralphy.

 

[King Corey]

LOL. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

We gave Drew, Boomer, Spud & NDS a farewell game and were criticized for it. We didn't give Gibson a farewell game and we're criticized for it.

BTW, some of the reactions on social media are ridiculous. Gibson was a serviceable player who played for 5 years after we gave his career a lifeline. There's only a few clubs where Gibbo would have got 130 game with at all - none of which have been any where near our success over the past five years.

Not it's not damned if we do, damned if we don't.

Just because we cost the team unit momentum last year by bending to a misguided promise made to some individuals, this doesn't justify overcorrecting to the point of not respectfully communicating with committed North Melbourne players about their time being up if that's how it's played out.

 

[shintemaster]

Seems bloody wrong that Sam Gibson is heading into the night and TOD isn't around to post one last eloquent appraisal of his career...

 

[Caracas]

Seems bloody wrong that Sam Gibson is heading into the night and TOD isn't around to post one last eloquent appraisal of his career...

Where is TOD? I miss him.


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[Caracas]

I'd recommend a few of the recent posters in this thread take 5 minutes out of your day and actually listen to his interview on trade radio. A few here would get a gig at the herald sun the way they're pulling single lines out of context

Regardless of which side of the fence we sit on, we would have to feel a bit bad for Sammy. Imagine if you were him and had played every game and finished 6th in B&F? You’d expect to get a guernsey next season. You’d have to think, given his particular strengths, that he’d easily have another similar 3 years left in him. That being said, I can understand the line of thinking that we should delist him. Clarke can perform his role, hopefully, better. We have other young guys who can get a chance too. Good and all as Gibbo was, he was really a role-player. As regards Waite, we all know he’s an exceptional player. He’s still capable of playing spectacular football. Players like him are rare as hen’s teeth.


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[Saintly_]

Yeah spot on King Corey

People can just write it off as salty Sam who's simply not happy about decision, but how communication is managed makes a huge difference to how these situations (in any industry) play out.

We are either not communicating effectively or leaving it unnecessary late which can create misguided expectations.

 

[kaboom kid]

Not it's not damned if we do, damned if we don't.

Just because we cost the team unit momentum last year by bending to a misguided promise made to some individuals, this doesn't justify overcorrecting to the point of not respectfully communicating with committed North Melbourne players about their time being up if that's how it's played out.

Didn't Brad do face to face meetings with Boomer et al to tell them they weren't getting contracts? I think he said it was one of the hardest things he ever had to do. Can't see that how that's disrespectful? I would have though that was the most respectful way to do it rather than phone call or email. The fact that the players actually requested an early decision would imply they had been given no assurances about playing on next year. Or am I just remembering it wrong?
With Gibbo, he was OS, so a face to face meeting wasnt possible. To me, Boomer et al was handled respectfully.

 

[King Corey]

Didn't Brad do face to face meetings with Boomer et al to tell them they weren't getting contracts? I think he said it was one of the hardest things he ever had to do. Can't see that how that's disrespectful? I would have though that was the most respectful way to do it rather than phone call or email. The fact that the players actually requested an early decision would imply they had been given no assurances about playing on next year. Or am I just remembering it wrong?
With Gibbo, he was OS, so a face to face meeting wasnt possible. To me, Boomer et al was handled respectfully.

You've misread the post mate. I never made that assertion about Boomer.

 

[evo]

Seems a bit stiff.

 

[kaboom kid]

You've misread the post mate. I never made that assertion about Boomer.

I see, you were talking about Gibbo, not the 4 last year. Sorry about that.

 

[Gasometer]

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Where is TOD? I miss him.


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Same

 

[Gasometer]

Not it's not damned if we do, damned if we don't.

Just because we cost the team unit momentum last year by bending to a misguided promise made to some individuals, this doesn't justify overcorrecting to the point of not respectfully communicating with committed North Melbourne players about their time being up if that's how it's played out.

You think re Unit momentum?

Have heard Scotts talk about the impact of the decision on our Finals.

Iirc we were cooked well befire the Final v Crows.

 

[Uneik]

Posters here will know your list and situation better than me...but i would have thought he'd be useful to keep around during the rebuild.

You can't just play a shitload of kids...that's how you do a Melbourne. Kids need experience around them to lead by example...Gibson certainly did in terms of showing kids the standards of being professional and a hard worker. At the very least he'd be handy insurance on a cheap contract even if he played some VFL games next year.

Also some big signs as to why he could have expected to get a contract...eg you say senior players were dropped regularly, but he wasn't one of them he's played 130 games straight. He finished 6th in the b&f after a 3rd place finish last year...it's rare to see a player cut after two high placed finishes in a row.

Totally agree on all points, every organisation needs people that have good experience, and to guide the new,

Not sure if North puts high enough value upon experience, let alone use it to benefit.

Experience is a valuable commodity that should be utilised.