AFL Autopsy 5 pt loss v Swans

[rumply]

I have a question for the elders who reside here...

I was born in 78 so for all intents and purposes I was born into a successful era, my first memories are flags , finals and big club ethos.

Clearly 84 was our first flag since 65, 24 years in the football wilderness. I assume we were classed as a powerhouse in the 60s. So what transpired between 65 and 83... Is it similar to what has happened since 2000?

Moreover, Ive read that we were near basket case levels in the mid to late 70s, soft, no identity ect. (Sound familiar?)

It took a brash young go getter to come in , sweep the place clean, instill culture, a hard nosed list ect. And so the cycle continues.

Question being, do we need our young go getter to come in and do the Sheedy treatment from the ground up? Like right now? Or are they still attached to the idea we are in window?

A bloke like hodge reeks of potential sheedy, but I think the difference is Sheedy was an ess fan, I think it matters. I genuinely reckon the ess haw thing runs too deep for hodge to work.

Hodge needs to do his time as an assistant but yeah I'd take him in a heartbeat.

 

[KevDawg]

I might have a crack at booing myself in the mirror for five minutes and see if that helps.
I’m not a booer but I might try it out.

 

[Highly Evolved]

In terms of this season, I'll just quote former Essendon player Jake Carlisle - "This club is f*****".

 

[SaintersUnite]

Hey lads caught glimpses of the game last night. Genuine question: how did Francis go? Were you playing him in the forward line? I assume that was because Daniher was out.

On the positive side, Redman and McGrath both looked exceptional running off the half back line.


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[Jesse Custer]

Relax... You got nothing to worry about

I hope you win. At least your club is run professionally. Ours is amateur at best.

 

[Jesse Custer]

WTF was with that. The optics were ******* terrible. Hope the supporter base is furious over that.

We are but what exactly will it achieve? Ppl have to realise players/clubs don’t give a **** about the fans. They only care about their fat pay.

 

[BOMBERROB2000]

People stop making excuses about everything but how we continue to play our football. yes, the run and gun style of footy is good for a few wins here and there but we need to learn how to play the ugly rugby style scrum football if we ever want to be a good or even great side or club again. I have followed my beloved club for over 40 years and I am sick to death of the garbage we continue to serve up. I have said this from the day he was appointed Dyson Heppell should have not to be named our captain he is an okay player nice player says all the cliche bullshit but does not care enough. Michael Hurley should have been given the job. seeing the captain laugh after such a poor loss tonight proves my point. so yeah say I am talking shit good for you but until a lot of things change we will be stuck as a middle of the road club when we should be a lot of hell better. a frustrated supporter who has had a ****ing enough of this ...!!!

 

[citizen-erased]

Perhaps we tanked for the mid season draft?

 

[TheWeapon]

We are far too easy to play against, a lot of one way runners in the midfield. Some pick and choose (smith, zaharakis), and some just too slow (myers). We have a bunch of short people in the forward line yet we bomb it in repeatedly? If that is the game plan need a taller target up there or even hooker.

When teams slow down our run, our lack of footskills is exposed. Still too weak in the contest. Conor McKenna should not be taking kick ins, or any remotely creative kick currently, he is a turnover merchant. Give the kick ins to Redman.

At 3-5 finals likely gone this year, start giving games to player who are good defensively and can tackle. Would seriously consider trading some experienced mids while they still have value - zaharakis bleeds black and red but he is one I dont see driving this team to their next premiership.

 

[faible]

Perhaps we tanked for the mid season draft?

Getting the next generational talent thanks to tanking last night you think?

 

[Jesse Custer]

Every year we talk about the same old shit. Don’t know how ppl find the energy anymore.

 

[faible]

The umpiring thing shits me; not because they lost - Essendon were disgraceful and didn’t deserve to win.

But because - as usual - the AFL refuse to come out and say “hang on, a mistake was made.”

This isn’t a missed free kick in the chaos of play, this was one where the umpires quite clearly SAW Rampe and told him to get down, yet didn’t pay the free. It would be akin to seeing Bellchambers clothesline someone and not pay the free because “it wasn’t putting the kicker off.”

If the AFL want all the supporters to have any faith in the umpiring department, they need to firstly admit that they can get it wrong, instead of the usual holier than they position they take.

Wasn’t it also Rampe they told directly to throw it back to the Essendon player, then he put it on the ground and pretended to do the throwing action, without any penalty? The umpire just walked in and threw it for him.

Then we get the touchy 100m penalty paid for Stringer not giving the ball straight back?

Wasn’t it also also Rampe who told the umpire he talks like a girl? How many things can this bloke not be penalised for that any of our players would have copped a free against.

Appalling.

 

[citizen-erased]

Getting the next generational talent thanks to tanking last night you think?

The bottom of the barrel is thin with excuses for last night.
I'm trying.....some of our players could take note of that and give it a crack too

 

[citizen-erased]

The umpiring thing shits me; not because they lost - Essendon were disgraceful and didn’t deserve to win.

But because - as usual - the AFL refuse to come out and say “hang on, a mistake was made.”

This isn’t a missed free kick in the chaos of play, this was one where the umpires quite clearly SAW Rampe and told him to get down, yet didn’t pay the free. It would be akin to seeing Bellchambers clothesline someone and not pay the free because “it wasn’t putting the kicker off.”

If the AFL want all the supporters to have any faith in the umpiring department, they need to firstly admit that they can get it wrong, instead of the usual holier than they position they take.

Yep
I'd be happier with them admitting the mistake than overturning the result. We didn't deserve to win. But don't sell us shit.
The game you want is next week if that's your modus operandi.

 

[boncer34]

What'd we do to Wayne Carey?

His bias against us is unbelievable.

 

[Albertross]

I have a question for the elders who reside here...

I was born in 78 so for all intents and purposes I was born into a successful era, my first memories are flags , finals and big club ethos.

Clearly 84 was our first flag since 65, 24 years in the football wilderness. I assume we were classed as a powerhouse in the 60s. So what transpired between 65 and 83... Is it similar to what has happened since 2000?

Moreover, Ive read that we were near basket case levels in the mid to late 70s, soft, no identity ect. (Sound familiar?)

It took a brash young go getter to come in , sweep the place clean, instill culture, a hard nosed list ect. And so the cycle continues.

Question being, do we need our young go getter to come in and do the Sheedy treatment from the ground up? Like right now? Or are they still attached to the idea we are in window?

A bloke like hodge reeks of potential sheedy, but I think the difference is Sheedy was an ess fan, I think it matters. I genuinely reckon the ess haw thing runs too deep for hodge to work.

I was born late 60's, so my memory and knowledge as to why we were shit in the early 70's is limited.

I do remember some of the names that we recruited in the late 70's though, young players that went on to become some of the best during their careers and some that although not champions, could be relied upon to do more than their job.

Daniher (Terry and Neale)
Simon Madden
Tim Watson
Paul Vander Haar
Shane Heard
Merv Neagle
Glenn Hawker
Roger Merrett
Nobby Clarke
Gary Foulds

There may be some that I missed as well. These guys all came to us from 77 onwards (with the exception of Madden and Foulds) and helped us become what we were in the 80's. That was some seriously good recruiting and there are a lot of 200+ game players in that list, plus a few 300+ players.

We have some talent on our list at the moment, although I think we had more back then. What we are waiting for though is another Sheedy type coach, who demands success from the playing group, has a plan B-C-D when we need it, instills a toughness into the playing group and can get the players to buy into his plan. Woosha is not that coach.

The players under Sheeds back then bought into what he was selling, despite his abrasive ways and the hard work required.

Our current list is mostly talented enough. I don't think most are prepared to do that bit extra though, to achieve the ultimate success, regardless of who the coach is. They are just happy enough to be an AFL footballer.

 

[fishardansin]

I love how people say they are done for the year, and are always back as soon the next game rolls around.



Not a good game. Very few players can put their hand up after that performance. Our bottom 6 players tonight were horrendously bad.

So many lazy efforts around the ball, so many players not making space to win the ball and zero "connect" between the mids and forwards. Yes, Essendon is capable of some amazing footy, but overall they still roll out some complete poo.

 

[Doss]

The umpiring thing shits me; not because they lost - Essendon were disgraceful and didn’t deserve to win.

But because - as usual - the AFL refuse to come out and say “hang on, a mistake was made.”

This isn’t a missed free kick in the chaos of play, this was one where the umpires quite clearly SAW Rampe and told him to get down, yet didn’t pay the free. It would be akin to seeing Bellchambers clothesline someone and not pay the free because “it wasn’t putting the kicker off.”

If the AFL want all the supporters to have any faith in the umpiring department, they need to firstly admit that they can get it wrong, instead of the usual holier than they position they take.

Wasn’t it also Rampe they told directly to throw it back to the Essendon player, then he put it on the ground and pretended to do the throwing action, without any penalty? The umpire just walked in and threw it for him.

Then we get the touchy 100m penalty paid for Stringer not giving the back straight back?

Appalling.

As far as I’m concerned there shouldn’t have been a warning from the umpire. Does the umpire warn a player he’s about to be pinged holding the ball? No. Why does Rampe get a warning to get down?

You can argue, perhaps, that he wasn’t intentionally trying to shake the post. Maybe he was trying to hoist himself up to spoil the ball. But the act of climbing the post was 100% intentional, and completely illegal to boot. And it most definitely caused the post to shake quite a lot.

The argument about not paying that sort of technical free because the result hinges on it is utter crap too. Rampe shouldn’t have been so stupid in the first place.

We didn’t deserve the win and played like utter drains. But that was a horrendous piece of umpiring.

 

[JayJ20]

Gillon McLachlan tells 3AW it was "pretty practical umpiring" around Dane Rampe decision. "It's about having a feel for the game- that's what good umpiring is."

So it's about the feel for the game and not the rules hey?

 

[Dons4days]

Myers comes back into side and takes parish's spot after he was arguably our best last week. Surely his time is up 11 touches playing as a mid is no where near good enough. He's out of contract at the end of the year put him in the vfl to rot, bring in begley to play forward and put parish back in his deserved spot.

Unfortunately the only I see Parish taking Myers spot permanently is if Myers is out for the rest of the year injured. The favouritism by the coaching panel is beyond laughable & one of the many reasons we’ll continue to be irrelevant for a long time. Look at Richmond pushing players like Ellis, Lloyd & Miles out in order to play their young guys which actually benefited them. Imagine that!

 

[tandino]

The umpiring thing shits me; not because they lost - Essendon were disgraceful and didn’t deserve to win.

But because - as usual - the AFL refuse to come out and say “hang on, a mistake was made.”

This isn’t a missed free kick in the chaos of play, this was one where the umpires quite clearly SAW Rampe and told him to get down, yet didn’t pay the free. It would be akin to seeing Bellchambers clothesline someone and not pay the free because “it wasn’t putting the kicker off.”

If the AFL want all the supporters to have any faith in the umpiring department, they need to firstly admit that they can get it wrong, instead of the usual holier than they position they take.

Wasn’t it also Rampe they told directly to throw it back to the Essendon player, then he put it on the ground and pretended to do the throwing action, without any penalty? The umpire just walked in and threw it for him.

Then we get the touchy 100m penalty paid for Stringer not giving the ball straight back?

Wasn’t it also also Rampe who told the umpire he talks like a girl? How many things can this bloke not be penalised for that any of our players would have copped a free against.

Appalling.

 

[Squeaky]

I joined in 01
I'm blaming myself

I signed up in about 2003 and it was more as a cash 'repayment' for the enjoyment I got out of 1993 - 2000/01 seasons.
I think I have well & truly paid my dues.

 

[fishardansin]

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You sure it wasn't a character reference from John Howard?

 

[Doss]

Gillon McLachlan tells 3AW it was "pretty practical umpiring" around Dane Rampe decision. "It's about having a feel for the game- that's what good umpiring is."

So it's about the feel for the game and not the rules hey?

Sums it up.

 

[rumply]

Last week didnt some player on the mark throw grass which resulted in an immediate 50? Did it have any effect on the play? Did the umpire warn him 'dont do that'? No? Why not Gil...oh cause that's a 'rule' not a "rule"