AFL Autopsy 5 pt loss v Swans

[Mr_McBoogerBalls]

Now they're just pissing on us without the courtesy of calling it rain.

Not funding this bullshit anymore.

 

[tandino]

Haven't heard so much bullshit in my life.

 

[KevDawg]

The umpiring thing shits me; not because they lost - Essendon were disgraceful and didn’t deserve to win.

But because - as usual - the AFL refuse to come out and say “hang on, a mistake was made.”

This isn’t a missed free kick in the chaos of play, this was one where the umpires quite clearly SAW Rampe and told him to get down, yet didn’t pay the free. It would be akin to seeing Bellchambers clothesline someone and not pay the free because “it wasn’t putting the kicker off.”

If the AFL want all the supporters to have any faith in the umpiring department, they need to firstly admit that they can get it wrong, instead of the usual holier than they position they take.

Wasn’t it also Rampe they told directly to throw it back to the Essendon player, then he put it on the ground and pretended to do the throwing action, without any penalty? The umpire just walked in and threw it for him.

Then we get the touchy 100m penalty paid for Stringer not giving the ball straight back?

Wasn’t it also also Rampe who told the umpire he talks like a girl? How many things can this bloke not be penalised for that any of our players would have copped a free against.

Appalling.

They’ve already come out to support the decision.
Is it a rule or a, let’s let the umpire determine on the night if it’s a rule?
I know if Hurley did it at the other end it would be a free. Not that he would.
I expect all commentators on 7 to come out before each game and support the decision. If they don’t just ignore it. Yeah, umpire called it correctly. Myer’s kick fell short. No impact.
Phuquing Joke.

 

[KevDawg]

Gillon McLachlan tells 3AW it was "pretty practical umpiring" around Dane Rampe decision. "It's about having a feel for the game- that's what good umpiring is."

So it's about the feel for the game and not the rules hey?

So, it’s open season on climbing a post to interfere with a kick, just to get some height to leap up to spoil, oh, as long as the post doesn’t shake enough.

 

[KevDawg]

Now they're just pissing on us without the courtesy of calling it rain.

Not funding this ******** anymore.
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What’s the voting like?

 

[pepsi]

Gillon McLachlan tells 3AW it was "pretty practical umpiring" around Dane Rampe decision. "It's about having a feel for the game- that's what good umpiring is."

So it's about the feel for the game and not the rules hey?

Yep cos that 100m penalty against stringer is totally feeling the game. That's exactly what fans want to see. I'm glad the umpires get to pick and choose when to feel the game. GAGF you bunch of useless campaigners afl.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

So, it’s open season on climbing a post to interfere with a kick, just to get some height to leap up to spoil, oh, as long as the post doesn’t shake enough.

The post did shake though.

That’s the issue.

 

[afairgo]

Gillon McLachlan tells 3AW it was "pretty practical umpiring" around Dane Rampe decision. "It's about having a feel for the game- that's what good umpiring is."

So it's about the feel for the game and not the rules hey?

McLachlan will be gone within 12 months. Too long but the momentum is building on a number of fronts...l

 

[Blood Bomber]

What's the point in having rules? I'm off to watch more SANFL thanks at least they have more rules that are black and white AND adhered too by the book. Zero "feel" areas.

 

[Shanghaistu]

I have been a member since 74 so I have seen Bad. Average. Good. Fantastic.Good.Average.Fantastic.Average and back to bad

So now we have another cycle of average-good-fantastic to look forward to

 

[Albertross]

I love and support my team and always will, despite the dramas over the last 5 years. I stopped supporting the AFL some time ago. I have little to no interest in other matches or teams and my enjoyment of the game has long since passed.

The AFL are a law unto themselves, able to do as they please when they please as the majority of the general supporter base ignores the shambolic way the game is run.

 

[Shanghaistu]

WTF was with that. The optics were ******* terrible. Hope the supporter base is furious over that.

Yep, but it won’t change anything unfortunately. They’re smiling because they weren’t injured and therefore there’s another big paycheck coming again next week.

 

[JayJ20]

I can't take the AFL as a serious competition with the AFL and Gillon ticking off a decision that clearly breaches the rule because of "the impact", "practical umpiring" and "feel for the game".

Whether Myers got close to kicking the goal or not does not matter. The rule says:

17.11.2 Taking Free Kick

The following shall apply to a Free Kick awarded under Law 17.11.1:

(a) If a Free Kick is awarded against a Player or Official of the Defending Team and a Goal is not scored, the Player from the Attacking Team who was about to or who has Kicked for Goal, shall take the Free Kick at the centre of the Goal Line.

17.11.3 Goal Scored

If a Player or Official of the Defending Team contravenes Law 17.11.1 but a Goal is still scored, the field Umpire shall not award a Free Kick. In such cases, the field Umpire shall signal ‘All Clear’ and a Goal shall be recorded.

No free kick is paid if the player scores a goal. A free kick is paid on the goal line if the player does not score a goal. No debate about that at all.

So what does 17.11.1 state?

17.11.1 Free Kicks - Shaking Goal Post or Behind Post

Unless Law 17.11.3 applies, a Free Kick shall be awarded against a Player or Official who intentionally shakes a goal or behind post (either before or after a Player has disposed of the football).

The goal post 100% shook. No doubt about that. What should be asked is, was it intentional contact with the goal post that caused it to shake? Answer is 100% yes. Therefore, this clause does apply to the situation that unfolded.

Gillon going on about practical umpiring and feel for the game is complete BS when it contradicts those clauses.

The rule applies at the time the above clauses are in effect. Otherwise, there is no point having a rule book in place if it isn't used to adjudicate.

They tick off mind boggling non-calls in the ANZAC game. However, that didn't directly cost us the game because it is entirely hypothetical.

This however directly costs a team 4 points and isn't open to interpretation such as prior opportunity, but they tick off on it for "practical" reasons? Practical umpiring because they don't have the courage to call it? Practical because they feel like it?

Joke of an organisation. Scrap the rule book and use feelings to adjudicate.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

The umpiring, and the ridiculous non-stop defending of the continuous indefensible umpiring decisions by the AFL is beyond a joke. That Rampe stunt was unbelievable.

McFlogland needs to be taken to task by someone.

 

[Runk]

The worst thing for me is that I just want some damn answers.

Answers to questions like why we are playing the way we are and why the coaches seem to think their methodology is appropriate?
I could go on and on but the frustration ultimately lies within and I know I'll never get what I'm after.

 

[coastalpipeline]

Yep. Same boat.
My NRL side is the poster boy for what happens when you sack too many coaches.

Wanna trade posters?

 

[coastalpipeline]

The worst thing for me is that I just want some damn answers.

Answers to questions like why we are playing the way we are and why the coaches seem to think their methodology is appropriate?
I could go on and on but the frustration ultimately lies within and I know I'll never get what I'm after.

You must look within yourself to find the answer to your questions are the questions to your answers.

 

[coastalpipeline]

Is Dylan Shiel on Master Chef?
That's the way we have been playing!

 

[Darealrath]

That was probably the worst Sydney side I've seen since the early 90s and we still lost. Worst thing was it was so predictable.

What stood out for me was how few players we had on the field who are capable of taking a mark in any sort of contest. Our skills were slightly better but they were able to stay with us because even their crap players can take a mark.

The other thing is that Zaharakis and Parish really need to play on ball to get anything close to their best out of them (nice goals by Parish though), which makes the downside of playing Myers even greater.

Oh and I like his endeavour and that we've given him a taste, but both times we have played Hams we've effectively been a man down. Should never play ahead of someone like Ridley.

 

[Doss]

Now they're just pissing on us without the courtesy of calling it rain.

Not funding this ******** anymore.
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We have always been at war with Eastasia.

 

[DapperJong]

Is Dylan Shiel on Master Chef?
That's the way we have been playing!

This post has potential but it needs serious work.

 

[Doss]

This post has potential but it needs serious work.

The genius is subtle, but it's there.

 

[BomberTime]

At Hawthorn no individual is bigger than the team, including greats of the club. At Essendon, individuals are first and club is second. Experienced players must have their egos massaged and feelings spared. Utter bullshit.

 

[sameolds33]

You know what I find amazing?

Probably none of the vitriol I've just read through gets posted if we get that dumb free kick. It would have been replaced with laughing at Sydney getting what "it deserved" (for being good and embarrassing us for the 15 years we have been a dogs breakfast).

We would then spend all week arguing about about Ham's great running contribution and querying whether we can change a winning combination.

Literally nothing about the performance would have changed.

It's why we have to lose and why I watch games hoping the opposition wins.

The club will act if the fans vote with their feet. Last year we spent all year clinging to this idea that we found our "real selves" (funnily enough it is the real self we have never displayed naturally or instinctively) and we couldn't possibly learn anything about the kids on our list while finals were still a shot.

We reap what we sow and I genuinely believe it includes the injuries. It's like clockwork, the players we need always end up injured largely in circumstances where they didn't start out as injured but where they were never part of the original plan anyway. Edit: and then conveniently we are "hamstrung" by injury. The original planning speaks for itself, it always does.

I don't agree. If you read the game day thread there was a lot of dissatisfaction about the form of the team. If we won, free kick or not, people weren't happy with how we won. I don't think that anyone who saw that game thought we deserved to win or would watch it again because it was good football. We don't have to lose to effect change. We just need to change.

 

[TheWeapon]

At Hawthorn no individual is bigger than the team, including greats of the club. At Essendon, individuals are first and club is second. Experienced players must have their egos massaged and feelings spared. Utter ********.

Yep reminds me of richmond and the bulldogs with their core group of experienced highly average players who were considered untouchable before their premierships (deledio, griffin etc). Get too comfortable with your position in the team and you risk stagnating