Past 5. Sam Petrevski-Seton

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Forty3 said:
Gold Coast did this with us over Jack Martin. The difference is, they had to many picks that they couldn't use them all anyway, so nothing was lost.
Although its not a great return on a player that has ability the facts are he's out of contract, he's only wanted by one club, he won't stay with us and Freo aren't interested. West Coast have many ways of getting him without spending anything. It all well and good to make a statement when it doesn't effect what you are doing. But we need something for him to allow us to do other deals, so the trade will hold value, even if it doesn't look like much on first glance.

I personally feel the club has completely let this kid down. He would of had a higher draft value if he had played the last two seasons in the twos as a midfielder. But on exposed output, and the way the club has systematically destroyed his confidence, coupled with his own lack of professionalism means his value is at rock bottom.

It's a real shame, cause I really think there is a very good footballer in him.
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Are you talking about the Young deal for needing value or is there another 1 or 2 being spoken about that you’ve heard about, Forty? Thank you for your recent tidbits too, appreciate it!
 
Kreuuuzeurns said:
I’d say Samo will get a 2 year deal from WC. If Freo are willing to match that and select him without a desire to move there then more power to them.

I can’t see it and I hope I’m wrong as it does give us some leverage.
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I think he gets to WC for a trade, but if he goes to the PSD, Dockers have plenty of coin, much more than WC
 
Forty3 said:
Gold Coast did this with us over Jack Martin. The difference is, they had to many picks that they couldn't use them all anyway, so nothing was lost.
Although its not a great return on a player that has ability the facts are he's out of contract, he's only wanted by one club, he won't stay with us and Freo aren't interested. West Coast have many ways of getting him without spending anything. It all well and good to make a statement when it doesn't effect what you are doing. But we need something for him to allow us to do other deals, so the trade will hold value, even if it doesn't look like much on first glance.

I personally feel the club has completely let this kid down. He would of had a higher draft value if he had played the last two seasons in the twos as a midfielder. But on exposed output, and the way the club has systematically destroyed his confidence, coupled with his own lack of professionalism means his value is at rock bottom.

It's a real shame, cause I really think there is a very good footballer in him.
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Jack Martin is another disappointment so far.... And I was sooo stoked when we got him eventually in the PSD.
This guy has class to burn and I really really hope Vossy can bring it out in him and get his confidence back to be able to put the pill through the big sticks too..

We have such a good list of they can get their sh1t together...

Here comes another pre-season full of hope.....

... until about round three again.... ( I hope not this time )

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therubbernub said:
I think he was primarily drafted as a Mid, as that was our really pressing need at the time


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No doubt SPS was recruited as a mid but the article says half forward too. Sps played the majority of his time at Carlton in the backline. If he did not have the tank for the midfield he should played in the reserves to work on it or in the forward line.

This is not the only occurrence of players being played out of position; it is widespread at our club and a major concern.
 
Rosscoe said:
No doubt SPS was recruited as a mid but the article says half forward too. Sps played the majority of his time at Carlton in the backline. If he did not have the tank for the midfield he should played in the reserves to work on it or in the forward line.

This is not the only occurrence of players being played out of position; it is widespread at our club and a major concern.
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We failed him. I hold no grudges, especially as we didn’t even bother to offer a contract. Talk about low balling the guy.
 
Forty3 said:
I personally feel the club has completely let this kid down. He would of had a higher draft value if he had played the last two seasons in the twos as a midfielder. But on exposed output, and the way the club has systematically destroyed his confidence, coupled with his own lack of professionalism means his value is at rock bottom.

It's a real shame, cause I really think there is a very good footballer in him.
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Agreed, but professional sports is a tough caper and the margins are tiny.

SPS might have the technical attributes, his instinct are above average, but he clearly struggled with the mental side of the game. He also never cemented himself in any position on the ground after close to 100 games. Plenty of supporters will wax lyrical about how we ruined SPS by moving him into defence, but that was only after he continued to disappoint as a mid.

Maybe he’d have benefited from being drafted to a better side who had some stronger senior ladders, I’m not sure how conducive modelling Marc Murphy is, but it’s hard to know ahead of time how a player is going to adapt.

I still remember SPS repeating he was looking forward to the challenge of moving interstate to a big Victorian club, but he didn’t know what that’d entail.
 
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GoBlues! said:
Could we do a deal with Freo, say just #6 for Cerra and allow SPS to go into PSD for Freo to pick up before WC. Would that be a better outcome for us than: giving #6 + pick swaps to Freo and getting #52 for SPS?

SPS still gets to WA, but not at an undervalued pick of 52. Great midfield opportunity opening up there for him.

Would it be enough for WC to improve their offer from #52 to a pick in 30s? Probably depends on whether we think it’s a better outcome for us and if Freo are even interested in picking up SPS in the PSD (ahead of some other player). Feels better than getting just 52 for SPS notwithstanding his limitations and lack of club development.
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All we really need is a friendly journo to leak it as "something Carlton are looking at".
 
TrueQldBlue said:
He lacks intensity for sure....but friggin pick 52....
That's a huge slap in the face for us and him....
Surely 35 is adequate for an ex top 10 draft pick who we have spent good money on....

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Plenty of talented kids have flopped its not a Carlton thing. Every draft has a miss - we clearly did not draft properly with our smalls. Focussed too much on what they can do with ball in hand. SPS is a nice player but it's not a Carlton issue he has flopped onus goes to those that drafted him.
 
Just need to finalise my list.

So far the "failure" of Sam Petrovski-Seton has been blamed on;

Marc Murphy
Mitch McGovern
David Teague
John Barker (haven't seen it but it's a given)

Have I missed anyone?
 
Loose at HB said:
Lipinski can't get a game in a midfield in front of Bont/Macrae/Dunkley/Libba/Smith etc and hasn't fallen off the proverbial cliff performance wise in the past 2 seasons. The idea that he and SPS have similar trade value is using serious Blue tinted glasses...

52 (if true) is disappointing but the idea that the Eagles will give us 29 is fanciful IMO. When you poorly develop a player, play him out of position, make it very clear to other clubs that he is out of favour to the point where said player wants to leave you don't exactly have the upper hand in negotiations
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Teague's gift :'(
 

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TrueQldBlue said:
He lacks intensity for sure....but friggin pick 52....
That's a huge slap in the face for us and him....
Surely 35 is adequate for an ex top 10 draft pick who we have spent good money on....

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If Hewett couldn't get a game at the Swans we'd be offering a third round pick or worse and whinging about it. It doesn't matter who he was and when he was drafted. He's not best 22 at a bottom 8 club that was at least two midfielders short.
 
BigFrizz36 said:
Just need to finalise my list.

So far the "failure" of Sam Petrovski-Seton has been blamed on;

Marc Murphy
Mitch McGovern
David Teague
John Barker (haven't seen it but it's a given)

Have I missed anyone?
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Absolutely no doubt in my mind this guy was the catalyst for the SPS failure, as well as all other failings. The whip couldn't be big enough. Sakc.
 
BigFrizz36 said:
Just need to finalise my list.

So far the "failure" of Sam Petrovski-Seton has been blamed on;

Marc Murphy
Mitch McGovern
David Teague
John Barker (haven't seen it but it's a given)

Have I missed anyone?
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Just curious, what would you do if the club played you in the incorrect position for 2 years, yet you gave your best but failed. Then they finally move you upfield but decide they need to play you as a sub for a month and then relegated you. Even then you go back and play well in the VFL and even though the club is decimated with injuries in the last 2 games, they refuse to give you a call up. Then, after all that, they don’t offer you a contract. Tell me, what would you do?

What is really frustrating, is reading all the negatives and it saddens me more reading posts trying to attack the guys character. Speaking to some, he was one of the most liked and best clubman within our playing group. Interesting indeed.
 
BigFrizz36 said:
Just need to finalise my list.

So far the "failure" of Sam Petrovski-Seton has been blamed on;

Marc Murphy
Mitch McGovern
David Teague
John Barker (haven't seen it but it's a given)

Have I missed anyone?
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You missed SoS.

Like everyone else on here I’ve apportioned my blame And you will like it as it is mathematical. Gethelred Will absolutely hate it.

20% goes to SoS for picking a mid with the wrong attributes. SoS didn’t foresee the Richmond model taking over. SPS doesn’t fit the current state of the game that well.

20% goes to development. Wrong position, bar set so low. Rushed in to early.

60 goes to SPS. Body failure and attitude fail.
 
BigFrizz36 said:
Just need to finalise my list.

So far the "failure" of Sam Petrovski-Seton has been blamed on;

Marc Murphy
Mitch McGovern
David Teague
John Barker (haven't seen it but it's a given)

Have I missed anyone?
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SPS!


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SurreyBlue said:
Just curious, what would you do if the club played you in the incorrect position for 2 years, yet you gave your best but failed. Then they finally move you upfield but decide they need to play you as a sub for a month and then relegated you. Even then you go back and play well in the VFL and even though the club is decimated with injuries in the last 2 games, they refuse to give you a call up. Then, after all that, they don’t offer you a contract. Tell me, what would you do?

What is really frustrating, is reading all the negatives and it saddens me more reading posts trying to attack the guys character. Speaking to some, he was one of the most liked and best clubman within our playing group. Interesting indeed.
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This is the tough space to operate in SurryBlue as a supporter. You personally see something in SPS. Others see something in LoB. Others called for Boekhurst to be given a new contract based on his last 3 games. Others liked Polson. Back in the day others liked Joseph.

I have to keep it simple. I support club success over individuals and then after that look at form and intent. Kreuzer wasn’t actually that good but his intent was amazing. I supported him right to the end. SPS just isn’t that good on form anywhere. But his intent is lacking so he lost my support.

Everyone gets to choose But I keep one eye on the hard to win deliverable of a flag. At Carltonnhe doesn’t seem to be helping in that direction.
 
Coops93 said:
He doesn't even have 1 or 2 big statistical games a year, he's had 2 games over 24 possessions for his career, with a lot of it playing off half back - one of the easiest positions on the ground to rack up possessions. Basically, he's had 1 big game for his career.

He has no value right now because he hasn't actually shown a lot. The fawning over him has me a little confused, I don't really see the elite untapped potential that others see. Sure he's a nice kick over 20-40 metres, and that's about it afaic. He's not hard at it, not a goalkicking mid, not an elite runner - fitness wise or speed wise, not strong defensively.. I don't really see what he brings that gets people up and about.

For comparisons sake, at least with Dow I can see something to build around - his ability to break the first tackle and his explosiveness over 5-10 metres. There's a point of difference he brings, despite other drawbacks. What's SPS point of difference?
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exactly, he has never even come close to the heights that someone like Aaron Mullett got to.
I can see him succeeding in the right environment but I can see him failing in most. Clubs that rely on hardworking role players to support their stars like Melbourne or Richmond wouldn’t give him two seconds of thought imo. Geelong and West Coast are the only two clubs I can see him making a career at (the style will suit him more) so fingers crossed for him it all works out well because I actually really like him.
 
SurreyBlue said:
Just curious, what would you do if the club played you in the incorrect position for 2 years, yet you gave your best but failed. Then they finally move you upfield but decide they need to play you as a sub for a month and then relegated you. Even then you go back and play well in the VFL and even though the club is decimated with injuries in the last 2 games, they refuse to give you a call up. Then, after all that, they don’t offer you a contract. Tell me, what would you do?

What is really frustrating, is reading all the negatives and it saddens me more reading posts trying to attack the guys character. Speaking to some, he was one of the most liked and best clubman within our playing group. Interesting indeed.
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First up sounds like you and I both wanted sps to succeed a similar amount.

Always showed a bit but always felt like he wax coasting a bit.

Agree that he was played out of position, the whole "next Andrew McLeod" thing was ridiculous.

However it must be noted that he came back into the team in round 15 this year and played 5 consecutive games ( none as sub) as an onballer/forward. In those games he had 14, 15, 17 , 14 and 14 touches. He was then dropped after the North Melbourne debacle.

Writing was on the wall I think.
 
BigFrizz36 said:
Interesting discussion regarding sps on afl trading day
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So Oleg Markov, who'd played about 20 games total gets traded for pick 40 last year. He played 3 more games than SPS this year.

A broken down, 32 year old Shaun Higgins goes for pick 30.

Yet when our turn comes with SPS wanting to leave us, the discussion turns into why players like this are 'fools gold'. We should be happy with pick 52? Zac Langdon was traded last year for pick 54. ZAC. LANGDON. If this football club accepts that deal, we are confirming to other clubs that they can just walk all over us. I don't want to go over the top with this, but if we accept that we are a joke.

We pay top dollar or close enough to it regardless of the situation, but you can take ours on the cheap because ???
 

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