50 names on recruiters lists

[beatnik]

this is geart - thread should be called 'ask Weaver'

ok, here goes...

there's another Qlder called Jesse White - tall, athletic etc - haven't seen him play much but there is a bit of talk about him up this way

just wondered what the super-scout thought???

anyone else?

 

[Palmer Stoat]

this is geart - thread should be called 'ask Weaver'

ok, here goes...

there's another Qlder called Jesse White - tall, athletic etc - haven't seen him play much but there is a bit of talk about him up this way

just wondered what the super-scout thought???

anyone else?

FWIW, this is the footydraft profile for White from last year:

http://www.footydraft.com/players.php?player=jessie_white

 

[Thurry]

Under 16s carnival actually. I've also seen him train with the pio's and play a praccie 4 them. At CHF u hit the packs hard and crash a few players, he doesnt do that! he relys on the ball getting kicked 2 him lace out! And i've won a premiership playin and CHF.

And i supose your one of those crash and bash players arnt u the kid would eat u up but no..... becos u have seen him "train" and play "one practice match" u no he relies on the ball being lace out and dosnt hit packs.... sh.i.t u can disect a player in one game, if that was the case im sure alot of players who have been drafted wouldnt of becos they mite of played one bad game and the clubs new that good players dont have bad games..... nesko_25 your lost

 

[Weaver]

there's another Qlder called Jesse White - tall, athletic etc - haven't seen him play much but there is a bit of talk about him up this way

At 196cm White is not really tall enough to be a tap ruckman and not athletic or talented enough to be a mobile ruckman or key position player.

Chris Smith has shown some good form and clearly has some talent but most of his best stuff has been at full-forward. Don't see much demand for a 184cm FF.

Daniel Dzufer is another tweener. Not really a genuine KP size, and not talented enough to be an onballer. Terrible kick too.

Proud, Pettard, Armitage, Urquhart and Renouf would be the QLD candidates IMO.

Of those only really Proud and Pettard showed any form in the Challenge Cup matches and carried it into the Championships.

 

[Thurry]

At 196cm White is not really tall enough to be a tap ruckman and not athletic or talented enough to be a mobile ruckman or key position player.

Chris Smith has shown some good form and clearly has some talent but most of his best stuff has been at full-forward. Don't see much demand for a 184cm FF.

Daniel Dzufer is another tweener. Not really a genuine KP size, and not talented enough to be an onballer. Terrible kick too.

Proud, Pettard, Armitage, Urquhart and Renouf would be the QLD candidates IMO.

Of those only really Proud and Pettard showed any form in the Challenge Cup matches and carried it into the Championships.

Weaver what would be your candinates from the VIC country Metro sides

 

[Weaver]

Weaver what would be your candinates from the VIC country Metro sides

Or you could read the first post in this thread.

 

[col44]

Good effort Weaver, will be interesting to see Mckenzies position come draft day, I dont think he could be too slow as he ran a 15.4 in the beep test earlier in the year.

What has speed ever had to do with a beep test?

 

[Roughie]

Weaver, I know you had young Josh Cubbillo in your top 50, but do you think there is any chance that any other Northern Territory boys could get drafted?

 

[Weaver]

Weaver, I know you had young Josh Cubbillo in your top 50, but do you think there is any chance that any other Northern Territory boys could get drafted?

Perhaps Anderson on a rookie list. He has good height but is another who doesn't really play tall and isn't a genuinely quick or dynamic flanker.

Calma-Holt has been around for a while and might be a HFF option. He has spring and some tricks. Playing at CHF didn't suit him, so he might sneak onto a rookie list as well.

Djerrkurra and Oliver did well but just look solid centremen types.

None of the other players really looked to AFL potential.

 

[smurf]

Perhaps Anderson on a rookie list. He has good height but is another who doesn't really play tall and isn't a genuinely quick or dynamic flanker.

Calma-Holt has been around for a while and might be a HFF option. He has spring and some tricks. Playing at CHF didn't suit him, so he might sneak onto a rookie list as well.

Djerrkurra and Oliver did well but just look solid centremen types.

None of the other players really looked to AFL potential.

wat about some of the bottom aged talent... cyril is obviously an almost certainty but wat do u think about young stokes?

 

[Thurry]

becose = because
supose = suppose
arnt = aren't
u = you
no = know
dosnt = doesn't
mite = might

Does it really hurt that much to add one extra letter to your spelling ?
You might get some credibility that way.

Are you serious u have nuthin else better to do than correct typin errors which if i dont say so myself are time saving Daytripper wish i was liven your life sounds fun packed

 

[Thurry]

Or you could read the first post in this thread.

There were about 4 or 5 names who werent in those squads but you knew that rite???

 

[Roughie]

Perhaps Anderson on a rookie list. He has good height but is another who doesn't really play tall and isn't a genuinely quick or dynamic flanker.

Calma-Holt has been around for a while and might be a HFF option. He has spring and some tricks. Playing at CHF didn't suit him, so he might sneak onto a rookie list as well.

Djerrkurra and Oliver did well but just look solid centremen types.

None of the other players really looked to AFL potential.

^Cheers for that

 

[harry 0]

Weaver, what are the reasons you chose to put Robbie Tarrant on that list??

Thurry, have you seen Tarrant play? What makes him so good?

bump. bump.

 

[KING-JAMES]

I have heard rob Tarrant is nothing special at all and cos of the name will get a look. I hate that its so unfair to young kids who worked there arse off to be there.

 

[GoSarge]

Weaver, any chance of putting them in some kind of draft order, even if it is a bit rough ? I'm trying to understand the types of players who may slide to the AFC, but people are only doing a 'top 10' in other threads.

Cheers in advance if you do !

 

[Weaver]

wat about some of the bottom aged talent... cyril is obviously an almost certainty but wat do u think about young stokes?

Cyril Rioli (175cm) and Matthew Stokes (173cm) probably will have to prove themselves in the SANFL, WAFL or VFL first. Neither has the express-train quickness that AFL clubs look for in rovers.

 

[Weaver]

Weaver, any chance of putting them in some kind of draft order, even if it is a bit rough ? I'm trying to understand the types of players who may slide to the AFC, but people are only doing a 'top 10' in other threads.

I think it is safe to guess that the list I posted has the guys I think that will go closer to the top - towards the top, with some of the rougher guys towards the bottom of the 50.

Actual draft order is a tougher call. Lots of people on this board get hung up on whether a guy will go at 30, 40 or 60 whereas often there is very very little difference between those 30 spots.

 

[sinepari]

Couldn't have said it better myself Weaver.

 

[Flag Man]

I think it is safe to guess that the list I posted has the guys I think that will go closer to the top - towards the top, with some of the rougher guys towards the bottom of the 50.

Actual draft order is a tougher call. Lots of people on this board get hung up on whether a guy will go at 30, 40 or 60 whereas often there is very very little difference between those 30 spots.

Interesting.

Are there any stats handy to back that up?

 

[Weaver]

I have heard rob Tarrant is nothing special at all and cos of the name will get a look. I hate that its so unfair to young kids who worked there arse off to be there.

No club is going to make a $250k investment simply on the basis of a surname. Club recruiters might make an effort to go and see someone with a surname play ... but often this proves a bonus to his teammates. That kid who is working hard might get spotted.

It is pretty well known for example that Richmond were watching Nick Jewell play to see if they should take him father-son. While doing so they spotted Mark Chaffey. Chaffey might not have picked up otherwise.

Having 'name' players like Reiwoldt and 'stars' like Thorp, Hislop, Fielding, Collier and Bellchambers bringing recruiters to Tassie's games might just sneak a guy like Bowden, Shaw or Fagan into rookie-list consideration.

Richmond might have been draw to Oakleigh / Carey Grammar games to see Tom Roach but they spotted Daniel Jackson and a couple of years later their teammate Cam Howat gets a shot on the rookie list.

Having 'bait' like Jon Lee, Joel Selwood and Robbie Tarrant might just mean that another Bendigo kid sneaks onto a rookie list when he otherwise might not have.

 

[Weaver]

Interesting.

Are there any stats handy to back that up?

Too many people think of the draft as a 'ladder'. Guy 1 is better than guy 2. Guy 21 is better than guy 22 by about the same margin.

Much better to think of it as a pyramid.

5-6 elite prospects
10-20 good prospects
30-50 worthwhile chances
80-150 in rookie contention.

Where a guy goes within any 'bracket' is largely up to which club he has caught the eye of, who has what picks, and what they already have on their list.

When a guy like Andrew Swallow 'drops' 20 places it is not really a big deal. All he has done is stay within his 'bracket' but fallen to the bottom of it. A heap of clubs with the relevant picks didn't want an inside midfielder so he fell.

 

[Palmer Stoat]

Weaver, do you have an opinion on Kurt Tippett (as a potential ruckman, not key forward) and Daniel O'Keefe? Also, Colin Garland -- have you seen much of him?

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Matthew Stokes is 178 cm and already playing for the cats !

http://gfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=players&spg=playerprofile&personid=358834

 

[Roughie]

Matthew Stokes is 178 cm and already playing for the cats !

http://gfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=players&spg=playerprofile&personid=358834

^Weaver mixed up the names, He meant Cameron Stokes, Not Matthew.