737 Crashes into World Trade Centre

[Gough]

Never seen this before.

 

[yebiga]

Hey George, I really want a war
Why Donald?
The defence budget is cut and Haliburton's and co's profits are down

(the conflict of interest makes this part a real concern, be it actual or perceived)

but Donald, how can we justify a war
Don't worry George, I have recruited 15 of our best CIA agents who will go on a suicide mission, hijack civilian aircraft and plow through the Twin Towers
What Donald.......all three of them?
No George just the two
What about the third Donald?
OK OK we will do a third and possibly a fourth......mumbles.....right into your Fn office at the pentagon you moron
I didn't quite hear that Donald
Don't worry about the detail, think of the dividends George. Your daddy will be rich
OK Donald, make it happen


I don't buy it. Profiteering possibly but WMD, communism, spreading democracy and freedom are proven techniques to justify wars.

I would also suggest the US recognises not only does its military superiority rely on size, technology, logistics, communication etc; it also relies on being battle ready and having a strong manufacturing base. Both of these were put at risk at the end of the cold war and the change in the US economy as it matured.

It is for this reason China will have the upper hand by circa 2025.

Now you are completely losing it

 

[Glacier]

i am quite calm and collected. i just like to call spades, spades

No your not
Why would you be banned from this discussion on another thread if you were?

 

[Glacier]

You patronizing tone does not make anyone think more of you, nor does your constant abuse and derision of anyone else who doesn't believe in the most far flung theories you can muster.

I hope you are to send the same message to a couple of others on this thread...?

 

[Long Live HFC]

No your not
Why would you be banned from this discussion on another thread if you were?

because Smiling Buddha cried to the mods because I was being mean to him.

 

[Power Raid]

no way man! people were jumping from the towers because these were the cold kind of fires

On a sombre note, I have often wondered what was going through the poor souls minds when considering jumping. I would have thought breathing the smoke would have been a more peaceful way to die. Perhaps the heat was already so great that there was a choice of boiling or thudding the pavement.


Perhaps people should consider these people and their horrendous choices before raising conspiracy theories. It is one thing to challenge the official story but to do so without a shred of evidence or even a story that hangs together is a little distasteful.

 

[Glacier]

Perhaps people should consider these people and their horrendous choices before raising conspiracy theories.

To be fair, maybe they do question for this very reason

 

[Glacier]

because Smiling Buddha cried to the mods because I was being mean to him.

Really

 

[Long Live HFC]

Perhaps people should consider these people and their horrendous choices before raising conspiracy theories. It is one thing to challenge the official story but to do so without a shred of evidence or even a story that hangs together is a little distasteful.

Yeah. These people don’t really care about the victims. Oh sure, they’ll pay lip service to the 3000 people killed by the “traitors” or lament the hundreds of thousands of deaths/displacements due to the subsequent wars. But in reality, they only care about their inflated sense of self-worth due to “knowing how things really happened” etc.

 

[yebiga]

ummmm

are you suggesting bikies and drugs is like oil and water?


I am all for entertaining your theories on the twin towers but you simply haven't offered anything of substance. I would bet my bottom dollar this theory is motivated by the boring racism that all things America is bad.

I would love to engage you in a debate re all manner of things but your level of understanding is so basic that it is simply not possible
"Boring racism .. America" is simply cretinous. The USA is as multi cultural as we are. So your trying to say something else - I can guess what it is - I am forced to think for you and me to have any kind of meaningful exchange. Yet no matter how much I try you miss interpret.

My suggestion is read learn a little and come back occasionally so I can check on your progress.

 

[Long Live HFC]

Really

yep. the mods determined the conspiratard board had the same rules as the club boards- favouring those on the ‘home’ team. So my mockery/abuse/laughs at the cretins ended up with me being banned. for some reason you seem to think those idiots deserve better. lol.

 

[Power Raid]

I would love to engage you in a debate re all manner of things but your level of understanding is so basic that it is simply not possible
"Boring racism .. America" is simply cretinous. The USA is as multi cultural as we are. So your trying to say something else - I can guess what it is - I am forced to think for you and me to have any kind of meaningful exchange. Yet no matter how much I try you miss interpret.

My suggestion is read learn a little and come back occasionally so I can check on your progress.

I welcome your invitation to read and learn.

Please feel free to provide links my learned friend..............

 

[yebiga]

Yeah. These people don’t really care about the victims. Oh sure, they’ll pay lip service to the 3000 people killed by the “traitors” or lament the hundreds of thousands of deaths/displacements due to the subsequent wars. But in reality, they only care about their inflated sense of self-worth due to “knowing how things really happened” etc.

Ditto
I could post the exact same post to you and it would make exactly the same sense.
Your merely making empty assertions. Everyone of your posts is this self same banality.
If All you ever post is essentially in defense of current mainstream perceptions - why bother? And I know you stated you don't watch msm - but still that's were you are - clueless

Now to the point - where there are two sides
you should not expect that either is entirely right. A little bit of skepticism won't hurt you grasshopper

 

[Power Raid]

To be fair, maybe they do question for this very reason

I am all for questioning, especially if it is based on fact or simply shouting down an outrageous official report/ findings. but anything more credible hasn't been put forward.

 

[yebiga]

I welcome your invitation to read and learn.

Please feel free to provide links my learned friend..............

Commence with the Socratic dialogues
A familiarity with the dialectic will equip you with some basic understanding of ideology, politics and philosophy

Once you have some of that - move into history and empire. Gibbons decline and fall of the Roman Empire is good or if your after something a little more entertaining try Colleen mccullochs masters of Rome. The essential points nt is to get some feel for how countries empires contend with each other and their own people

If you really keen I expect to see you back here in a month or two and we can check your progress

 

[Long Live HFC]

Ditto
I could post the exact same post to you and it would make exactly the same sense.
Your merely making empty assertions. Everyone of your posts is this self same banality.
If All you ever post is essentially in defense of current mainstream perceptions - why bother? And I know you stated you don't watch msm - but still that's were you are - clueless
Now to the point - where there are two sides
you should not expect that either is entirely right. A little bit of skepticism won't hurt you grasshopper

again, your inferences are truly shit.

for starters, unlike you and your fellow morons, I’ve never claimed to have a strong concern for either the 3000 civilians nor the Iraqis or afghanis. i don’t leverage a caring pretence in order to lecture others with nonsense. All I actually do is call you a moron. it gives me no bounce to my ego to claim to be a bit more hinged and/or intelligent and/or researched than a bunch of abject imbeciles. It’d be like getting excited about being better than carlton.
And your failure is to believe there are “two sides”. That is denialism.

 

[yebiga]

On a sombre note, I have often wondered what was going through the poor souls minds when considering jumping. I would have thought breathing the smoke would have been a more peaceful way to die. Perhaps the heat was already so great that there was a choice of boiling or thudding the pavement.


Perhaps people should consider these people and their horrendous choices before raising conspiracy theories. It is one thing to challenge the official story but to do so without a shred of evidence or even a story that hangs together is a little distasteful.

I know this was a popular argument Amongst the bush administration but it makes no sense. How is one official conspiracy more resoectful of the deceased then another.

Let's create some distance
Does it matter a hoot to jfk whether people believe Oswald shot him or the cia?
It's a non argument - it's essentially code for let sleeping dogs lie and not discuss it.

What if Jacqueline was nt happy with the Oswald story? There are many family members of the 9/11 victims who are dissatisfied with the commission report and there are others who are happy to let sleeping dogs lie.

So in essence this is a pathetic attempt to speak on behalf of the victims
Seriously how dare you? To this point neither of us have pulled this card. It's a despicable stunt which serves neither side.

Let it drop

 

[Glacier]

for some reason you seem to think those idiots deserve better. lol.

I just think your efforts are no better

 

[Glacier]

but anything more credible hasn't been put forward.

Assuming the official version to be credible of course...

The best reading I have ever had on the subject I happened to buy in New York, Paul Thompson's " terror timeline"
Very hard to get a printed copy in Australia, but a real eye opener , particularly to forsake the no planes, drone planes, holograms stuff and concentrate on the real information
If you ever want to read, PM me

 

[Glacier]

again, your inferences are truly shit.

Classy

unlike you and your fellow morons,

Classy

I’ve never claimed to have a strong concern for either the 3000 civilians nor the Iraqis or afghanis.

Obviously

 

[Long Live HFC]

I just think your efforts are no better

*shrug*

Obviously

would you say that honest indifference was better than feigned concern?

 

[Glacier]

*shrug*



would you say that honest indifference was better than feigned concern?

For someone who says they feel indifference you sure do get fired up over the subject

 

[awaremind]

Yeah. These people don’t really care about the victims. Oh sure, they’ll pay lip service to the 3000 people killed by the “traitors” or lament the hundreds of thousands of deaths/displacements due to the subsequent wars. But in reality, they only care about their inflated sense of self-worth due to “knowing how things really happened” etc.

I would rather just have the truth, whatever it be. The only question on this is, are the war-mongers lions or hyeanas? Maybe they are just hyeanas after all.

 

[yebiga]

again, your inferences are truly shit.

for starters, unlike you and your fellow morons, I’ve never claimed to have a strong concern for either the 3000 civilians nor the Iraqis or afghanis. i don’t leverage a caring pretence in order to lecture others with nonsense. All I actually do is call you a moron. it gives me no bounce to my ego to claim to be a bit more hinged and/or intelligent and/or researched than a bunch of abject imbeciles. It’d be like getting excited about being better than carlton.
And your failure is to believe there are “two sides”. That is denialism.

Your comprehension, diction and argumentation undermines you at every point. People who are intelligent don't need to claim it in every second post - the content of their posts does the work for them.

The more exaggerated the bluster the more apparent the impotence and limitations.

The events of 9/11 are and will remain contentious and subject to disputation. No amount of reiterating president Bush re "dangerous conspiracy theories" will finalize the matter.

Indeed Bush Cheney and Rumsfeld are persona non grata in many parts of the world. They can't even travel to parts of Europe for fear that charges of crimes against humanity will be leveled at them by what you call conspiracy nuts.

Malaysia and Canada have conducted court cases with retired judges and found that the 9/11 official story is false.

The collapse of wtc7 - a building where no plane hit it - fell exactly like a controlled demolition on the afternoon of 9/11. The lease holder Larry Silverstein in a remarkably candid interview stated they decided to "pull it" and the building collapsed.

The investigation into Clintons lewinsky affair had 10 times the budget of the 9/11 commission. Numerous witnesses who gave testimony to the commission have reported their testimony was entirely ignored.

Unlike the jfk assassination there are more than a couple of films of the event. The investigation continues on the internet because the official investigation was so inadequate. There is so much data, testimony and footage.
Even 18 pages of the 9/11 commission report remain redacted.

Even if one finds the questions and alternative views false - people all over the world and a majority in New York City remain dubious. They are not all nuts. They heard and saw things which don't match the official story.

The very notion of a democracy is the validation of plurality of opinions. Is not the desperate strident reaction in our media to alternative 9/11 narratives in itself a concern.

This Miopic desperation has spread into the war on terror. Every time our media lines up behind the Washington consensus invades a country and stuffs it up. There is then an inevitable self flagellation how the media should not be embedded should be more critical - but then the self same myopia returns in Iraq Libya Syria

But for Russian nuclear power the self same media attack was ready to support a war in the Ukraine Crimea.

Is it not apparent that the one thing we need to all exercise is suspicion of the Washington consensus? There is nothing mad or conspiratorial in suspecting the motives of a global empire. It s in fact common sense.

 

[Power Raid]

Assuming the official version to be credible of course...

The best reading I have ever had on the subject I happened to buy in New York, Paul Thompson's " terror timeline"
Very hard to get a printed copy in Australia, but a real eye opener , particularly to forsake the no planes, drone planes, holograms stuff and concentrate on the real information
If you ever want to read, PM me

so in your view a bullshit conspiracy theory balances a bullshit official narrative?

I would have thought something based on fact would make more sense

 

[Power Raid]

"There is nothing mad or conspiratorial in suspecting the motives of a global empire. It s in fact common sense."

this is something I think we all agree on

but where we differ is I don't believe in using ones own imagination to take a step further, then use your imagination to take that a step further, then use your imagination again to take that a step further and then present that extension of imagination as fact.

The initial process is natural and called rational thinking. Coming to a conclusion that this may be a possibility is also rational. Coming to a conclusion that this is fact is irrational.