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Teams to be based there.
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A new concept for the AFL fixture
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You're missing the point I'm making. A purely mathematical draw is by definition "neutral" because it eliminates any tinkering. Any system that tries to impute some sort of relativity is equally, by definition, not neutral. Your example hits the nail on the head. Who you play isn't pre-arranged, it's simply playing the other teams in order. Currently almost without fail some team that was considered an outsider for the 8 gets a favourable draw but then turns out to be better than expected and constant references are made to their easy draw. My proposal won't eliminate easy/tough draws, nothing can do that with the number of sides we have and the season length. But the fairness will be that this situation was not manufactured, but entirely random .
As for not seeing the value in playing every other team an equal number of times, both home and away, over a set time frame, 6 years, that staggers me. That has to be an ideal scenario in terms of fairness. Unless of course your idea of fairness is an ever changing concept depending on any number of factors.
TLDR - 17-5 with a change of the draft order would work.
No I'm not missing the point ... I hear you, you are saying that a fixture that is set takes away any advantage that could be manufactured by the AFL and replaces it with advantage that is based on chance. How is that an improvement? This might actually create easier fixtures and harder fixtures for some teams than the current system - and those hard-hit teams might (by pure bad luck) be already in a bad position. Those same lowly teams will then tank the crap out of those years. (and be able to plan that tank from a long way out)
Surely your starting point has to be to make a better competition that delivers tougher fixtures to the better teams, and easier fixtures to the worse teams?
The Footy Maths option is a good start imo - although after a review of the proposal (I hadn't read right through for a while) I don't really like the way the top 8 is finalised in their solution.
Maybe it will come down to the 17-5 system, which isn't the worst idea. Two teams in each non-Vic state means you can alternate one home / one away each year and make sure all teams don't have double up non-Vic travel in the first 17 games every year. All scores are wiped clean and final 5 games are like a new mini-season. Top 6 teams fight for the position in the finals. Next 6 fight out for final 2 spots in the top 8. Bottom 6 fight out for a bonus pick. How they work out the home-and-away of those last 5 games will be interesting, but the teams that finish highest after the first 17 rounds should get an advantage.
I think the 17-5 system with a revamp of the draft order would work. A draft lottery for the bottom 6 and bonus picks structured around finishing positions to discourage tanking in the final 5 games as well as giving a leg up to the teams that need it most:
- 7-12 get a bonus 2nd round pick
- 13th place gets a bonus first round pick
- 13-18 get 1 lottery ball each for top 6 draft picks
- 13-18 get a bonus middle of 1st round pick
18th = (top 6), 12*, 32, 50, 68
17th = (top 6), 13*, 33, 51, 69
16th = (top 6), 14*, 34, 52, 70
15th = (top 6), 15*, 35, 53, 71
14th = (top 6), 16*, 36, 54, 72
13th = (top 6), 11*, 17*, 37, 55, 73
12th = 7, 26*, 38, 56, 74
11th = 8, 27*, 39, 57, 75
10th = 9, 28*, 40, 58, 76
9th = 10, 29*, 41, 59, 77
8th = 18, 30*, 42, 60, 78
7th = 19, 31*, 43, 61, 79
6th = 20, 44, 62, 80
5th = 21, 45, 63, 81
4th = 22, 46, 64, 82
3rd = 23, 47, 65, 83
2nd = 24, 48, 66, 84
1st = 25, 49, 67, 85
Or to look at in another way ...
First Round
Lottery Ball
Pick#1 = Lottery ball 1
Pick#2 = Lottery ball 2
Pick#3 = Lottery ball 3
Pick#4 = Lottery ball 4
Pick#5 = Lottery ball 5
Pick#6 = Lottery ball 6
--
Remainder of Middle 6 that missed the finals
Pick#7 = 12th placed team
Pick#8 = 11th placed team
Pick#9 = 10th placed team
Pick#10 = 9th placed team
--
So at this point in the draft, all of the bottom 10 teams have had access to a first round pick.
--
Bonus pick
Pick#11 = 13th placed team bonus pick
This bonus pick encourages hard competition amongst the bottom 6 in the last 5 games.
--
Extra first round picks for bottom 6
Pick#12 = 18th placed team
Pick#13 = 17th placed team
Pick#14 = 16th placed team
Pick#15 = 15th placed team
Pick#16 = 14th placed team
Pick#17 = 13th placed team
These bonus picks help the bottom 6 recover faster.
--
Finals teams
Pick#18 = 8th placed team
Pick#19 = 7th placed team
Pick#20 = 6th placed team
Pick#21 = 5th placed team
Pick#22 = 4th placed team
Pick#23 = 3rd placed team
Pick#24 = 2nd placed team
Pick#25 = 1st placed team
Second Round
--
Bonus 2nd round picks for 9-12
Pick#26 = 12th placed team
Pick#27 = 11th placed team
Pick#28 = 10th placed team
Pick#29 = 9th placed team
Pick#30 = 8th placed team
Pick#31 = 7th placed team
These bonus picks help these middle 6 teams improve more quickly.
--
Pick#32 = 18th placed team etc ... (continues on as normal)
Trading of future picks would have to have either "lowest" or "highest" added. ie lowest first round pick.
I'm a 17-5 man but if we were to go with something like this I would Do something like...
Week 19 : Playoff and Bye
8th v 9th, 1st-7th have the bye
Weeks 20-25 : Group Stage
Top 12 split into 3 groups of 4 - Group A: 1 2 3 4
B 5 8 9 12 and c 6 7 10 11
Home and Away Round Robin
Week 26 Semi Finals
3rd of Group A v 1st of Group B
4th of Group A v 1st of Group c
Week 27 Preliminary Finals
1st of Group A v winner of semi 1
2nd of Group a v winner of semi 2
Week 28 Grand Final
Trump has made a lot of money in China, so it sounds legit.
fmd, full moon clearly happened earlier tonight.
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am i the only one that thinks that while our fixture system isn't prefect it's okay and really doesn't need change
I don't think we are on the same page . You stated "Surely your starting point has to be to make a better competition that delivers tougher fixtures to the better teams, and easier fixtures to the worse teams?" but that wouldn't be my starting point; you should always begin with an aim of fairness, a fixture that is free from bias. I see fairness as playing each side and equal number of times, both home and away, over a fixed period. I'm seeing your version of fairness as trying to manipulate the draw to try and penalise the well performed and reward the poorly performed. The draft is a separate issue, so I'll leave that.
I believe part of the reason some clubs struggle perennially is because they get shafted by the draw which is nominally aimed at helping them. St Kilda play virtually no blockbusters and travel extensively. Clubs like Collingwood do the reverse and get the crowds that help them earn extra money to feed into their footy departments . Whether they've utilised that advantage is another question.
I just want every team to have a fixture that gives them a fair and untampered with chance to do their best. Alomost every year some team has a bad year largely due to injuries and when they get a softer draw the following year and their good players back all of a sudden their "soft draw" is the big topic. My plan will occasionally deliver soft and hard draws but it won't be anything brought about by manipulation. It will literally be the luck of the draw and nothing else.
