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Name the clubs that wernt there when you left? From what I can see there are only two new ones. Blacktown and Fairfield. The others are rebranded. Also what is the strength of these clubs - I can tell you it is shit - most are in two way to four way JVs with the others to be able to field a team.1. More reports, re the very strong likelihood the AFL will receive a large increase in its Rights' $.
It can be expected, if occurring, there will be a major increase in GR AF $ being spent in NSW, ACT, & Qld., with commensurate GR growth.
mumbrella S. Al Zaidi 19.5.22
S. Al Zaidi said
"The hustle to secure the amplified ad revenue attached to exclusive broadcasting rights of sporting final events is mirrored in Ten and Seven West’s Media bidding war for the hotly anticipated AFL Grand Final.
In 2021, the AFL Grand Final generated 3.91 million, with an average national audience of 4.09 million each year.
Ad revenue in the prime TV spot can fetch the network anywhere between $150,000 to $175,000 (or more) per 30-seconds of ad coverage.
Buffet’s significant investment may now embolden Ten, in tandem with Paramount+, in its bid to reclaim the rights to the AFL from 2025.
Mumbrella previously spoke to media director and GM of Spinach, Ben Willee, who said Ten and Paramount are going to “have a run at it like an 18-year-old in an all-you-can-drink bar”, as he argued the network “hasn’t recovered” after losing the AFL years ago...
Ten and Paramount Plus are jostling with Amazon, Seven and Foxtel to secure the exclusive rights to the footy coverage, which would be split between Ten and streaming platform Paramount+ for all nine games each roun..
After Buffet’s securing of 11% of the business, Ten may be in a bolstered position for their 2025 bid for rights to the footy’s entire broadcast package.
The investment has given Ten a financial advantage in its efforts to reclaim rights to the nationally loved sport, and would contribute enhanced revenue figures in Paramount’s TV Media sector...".
"Ten's bid for AFL broadcast rights strengthened by $2.6B Paramount Global investment"
SMH V. Rugari 23.5.22
Rugari has been a professional soccer journalist for c. 15 years, & now writes for the SMH, owned by NINE.
It has, a week ago for the first time, been reported that NINE is also interested in the AFL Rights from 2025, particularly for streaming, & a Thurs. night game.
Rugari said
"Network 10 ‘happy’ despite A-League struggles as AFL broadcast bid looms
"... while [Channel 10 is] reaffirming its strong interest in the AFL’s broadcast rights, saying it can help put Australia’s indigenous game in front of an international audience.
10’s five-year, $200 million deal to show the A-Leagues is off to a challenging start, with the men’s competition in particular struggling for mainstream relevance amid a continued downturn in crowds, TV ratings and general interest...
McGarvey and 10’s other co-CEO Jarrod Villani recently met with outgoing AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan in New York, as 10 and Paramount contemplates a big-money bid to take over from Fox Sports and Seven as that competition’s chief broadcaster from 2025 onwards - although she was reluctant to speak in detail about the meeting or 10’s ambitions.
'Given the nature of our business now in Australia, we have multiple platforms and multiple revenue streams, we would remain very interested in having a look at what else is out there,' McGarvey said. 'And obviously the AFL is one of those things that is incredibly interesting, should it be genuinely available.
'The AFL is an Indigenous sport to Australia but given it is really high quality, incredibly premium, I do think there’s [an overseas] market for it, and I’d say that’s something that is really of interest to them, and something we could certainly bring to the table' ".
"Network 10 ‘happy’ despite A-League struggles as AFL broadcast bid looms
The network’s first season covering football has been a major challenge - but that hasn’t deterred 10 as it contemplates a big-money bid for the AFL broadcast rights from 2025".
www.smh.com.au
2. In New England NW NSW, a Youth Girls (to U17) formal Club comp. will start shortly. There have been recent training sessions/scratch matches (at Armidale, Tamworth, Inverell, & Gunnedah), over 4 weeks, inviting girls to try AF.
“This was my first ever game of AFL, and I just loved the tackling and the space to move with the ball,” stated another.
“Some of the girls have never been involved in a tackle sport before but they all loved the feeling of laying a tackle, and of being tackled. This was instantly obvious when we took a break between quarters and when the match finished as the girls walked off the field with huge smiles each time,” Crawley said.
"The Mini Series has been designed to introduce new and existing players to Youth Girls AFL, and to grow the participant base ahead of a club competition being started. This is a great chance for girls to join in with the fastest growing female sport in the country and progress through to the highly successful AFL North West Women’s competition and beyond".
Youth Girls Mini Series sees exponential growth - AFL North West
Match two of the Youth Girls Mini Series held in Inverell showed that momentum is building as numbers all but doubled on the first session which was staged just a week ago. A fantastic turnout saw 18 players take to…Read more ›aflnorthwestnsw.com.au
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This is incorrect.
You constantly denigrate GWS & GCFC, calling them failures/closing them down- common comments by RL fans.
As being told many times, AFL officials (inc. R. Goyder, by imprimatur) & expert AFR finance journalists have said the 9th game (x 22 wks- national ratings) created $50m-60m extra pa, from additional Rights' $ etc.
GR AF has grown strongly in the GWS area of Sydney, & ACT, since 2012. Also AFL draft nos. had declined considerably prior to 2012 from the ACT, & sthn. NSW- but with the GWS Academies, GWS promotional activities etc. in these regions, the draft nos. are growing again.
This is an interesting quote from Dirty Bird, in the "Canberra" Thread (post#422, 30.4.22) from the Footy Industry forum.
"Western Sydney - AFL Sydney Juniors
Below is a list of clubs located in the Western Sydney region.
(Click in red above, for a List of all 17 jnr AF clubs in WS- snr clubs not inc.).
17 Junior clubs in Western Sydney
8 of which wern't there when I left Sydney 14 years ago.
And of the 9 that were, only 3 (Baulkham Hills (then known as the Falcons), Penrith (then known as the Rams) and Hawksebury) pre-dated 2000".
This above aflsj List of 17 WS jnr clubs does not include the big Pennant Hills JFC. (Pennant Hills is recognised by the NSW LGA as being part of "Greater Western Sydney").
Also, Pennant Hills FC snrs is one of the biggest GR snr clubs of all time, anywhere in Australia, with 11 snr teams in 2022!
The above WS List does also not include these booming jnr Inner WS AF clubs- Western Suburbs JFC (based in Croydon!), Glebe JFC, Concord JFC, Canada Bay JFC, Drummoyne JFC (also plays in Five Dock), Leichardt JFC, Newtown JFC etc. (all playing in the Swans', not Giants', comp.).
It was Dirty Bird, who said he played AF in WS until 2008, who made the comments (which I quoted) about the new WS clubs- I suggest you address your question to him.
www.afl.com.au
1. The national Quickkick program was launched c. 1month ago. It is designed for females born after 1987, who have never played AF. Many are in their 40's & 50's. It is an AF skills program & match, designed to, eventually, encourage women to play in a Masters comp.
It has attracted 100+ ACT women to join it (& c. 700 in Qld. & NSW). In such a short time from its creation, this shows the increasing cultural penetration, & appreciation, of AF in ACT, NSW, & Qld.: older women, from non-heartland areas, novices, want to play a body-contact sport... & choose AF.
G. Burgess, 13.7.22, said
“More than half of the ACT women that have registered are over 40 and to see these women exercising their athletic potential, their potential to pick up skills, and learn different things, that willingness to go ‘What more can I learn?’— I think that it’s brilliant...".
Kicking goals: The women tackling Masters AFL in Canberra | HerCanberra
For many of us, the only time we would have touched a football was during gym class—but across the country that's changing with the QuickKick initiative.hercanberra.com.au
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It was Dirty Bird, who said he played AF in WS until 2008, who made the comments (which I quoted) about the new WS clubs- I suggest you address your question to him.
On 13.5.22, The Australian said
"The AFL NSW/ACT has secured seven new AFL facilities in western Sydney since 2019 and facilitated upgrades for 13 existing club homes in the past 10 years. AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan told The Weekend Australian the Giants were an irrefutable success story for the code".
The Giants, on 13.5.22, said," the AFL figures truly show the growth of the game in western Sydney — with participation community football and Auskick doubling since 2012 in the area".
(In the Swans' Zone in Sydney, the increase has been c. 2.5 times, cf 2012 nos.).
The AFL's M. Pegan, 15.7.21, re the WS area, said
"The talent pool is gradually growing, though, with the number of junior footballers in Western Sydney rising by 25 per cent between 2016 and 2019. NAB AFL Auskick registrations increased by 15 per cent between 2017 and 2019.
The exposure to football and options to play the game across Western Sydney are also expanding, with a football club now set up in every local government area and an AFL program offered in 60 per cent of schools in the region, according to AFL NSW/ACT".
'All 1200-plus players in the Academy are decked out in Giants gear, playing jumper, shorts, socks, hoodies, backpacks and they get their own footy,' Saddington said.
'So they have that real connection with the Giants and they look like mini-Giants. They stand out and more people are starting to recognise the brand and ask questions about the game.
'We're 10 years into the Academy program at the footy club, give us another 10 or 15 years and we'll see it has grown much, much more. Hopefully that's similar to what the Swans were able to do, but it still took them a good 20-odd years' ".
Cold war brewing between Giants and Swans over local talent
After unearthing top talent from traditional footy regions, the Giants are changing tack
The AFL, in 2012, said the true success of GWS should be judged only after at least 20 years from 2012.
It's great to see that Auskick, GR school & club comp. player nos. are having major growth, both at record highs in NSW- they have been growing strongly in NSW since 2012, GWS's commencement.
Ditto ACT Auskick, & GR school & club. comp. player nos. They are also now having major growth, & areat record highs (easily eclipsing, now, GR contact RL school & club comp. player nos., inc. Queanbeyan/Goulburn areas).
GR AF fell from the late 1980's, after the Canberra Raiders entered the NRL- but began rising again since 2012.
These are the currently 17 jnr clubs in WS, which play in the Giants comp. The AFL said that, prior to GWS creation, some of the 14 LGA's in the GWS did not have even 1 GR AF club in their boundaries.
"Western Sydney
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PENRITH GIANTSCurrent News - Blacktown City Junior Australian Football Club - GameDay
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The GWS area of Sydney initially grew at a faster rate, cf the Swans area- because the GWS metro area started off a very low base ie only c. 60 jnr teams in 2012 in their area, it was a desert for AF.
Definitely not- the Giants have done an enormous amount of work, promoting AF inthe GWS area- & have won several awards, that cover all NSW, for their GR work!
It is difficult to say- crowds averaged c. 12k per game at Giants Stadium for the 4 years to 2019.
You didn't read my quote- I put it (as always) in quotation marks, & specifically stated the comment was from Dirty Bird on BF, who said he played AF in WS until 2008.
Spending vast amounts on grass roots will be, imop, squandering the money from the world cup, as I don't think it will have that much of an affect.1. abc.net C. Atkinson & S. Lawson 12.5.22
Atkinson & Lawson said
"North of the river, players like Tom Hawkins and Shane Crawford (Finley), Leo Barry (Deniliquin) and John Longmire (Corowa-Rutherglen) have put their marks on the game, leading to that region being the most prosperous per capita (in Australia- my emphasis) for producing VFL/AFL footballers in the draft era, as comprehensively logged by Dave Slutzkin at DraftGuru".
Which locations have provided the AFL with the most talent and the best players?
From Warrnambool to Wangaratta, Dartmoor to Darwin, and Glenelg to Glenorchy, AFL players learn their trade in all corners of the country — but which region has provided the league with the best players? Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson investigate.www.abc.net.au
The major reason why it is almost a certainty that Sydney will, eventually, have a 3rd AFL club is because of the huge wealth of Sydney (& its influence in politics; & the 4 biggest MSM cos. all have their HQ's in Sydney- as are the HQ's of advertising cos. which generate 50%+ of all advertising revenue in Aust. Sydney advertising hourly rates are the highest in Aust.).
Sydney will be the first city in Australia to reach, in 2060, a $1 trillion + economy. The AFL has no choice but to "follow the money".
Sydney's population was estimated by the ABS in late 2019 to reach 8m by 2050.
A further incontrovertible factor in the importance of a 3rd club in Sydney is the potential its huge population (inc. all of NSW & ACT) has for producing AFL Draftees.
AF simply cannot allow other sports to dominate the recruitment of the vast nos. of elite athletes there.
The AFL will, obviously, want to take full advantage of all NSW & ACT- to attempt to "replicate" (probaly not quite as strongly) the extraordinary sucess of the Riverina! On a per capita basis, the Riverina is the most fertile AFL Draft area in Australia...amazing!
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All very good points, with a reasonable chance of actually happening. It would be a very big boost for GWS to have a player who is an established "big name star". Martin would be almost perfect for garnering a big increase in attention on GWS (not as good, however, as a champion full forward).
If that player kicks bags of goals, even better in the Sydney market, for AFL success. Capper, Locket, Hall, & now Franklin have provided the Swans a major boost in popularity.
This would be very good for GWS home games.
Also, to improve "the vibe" of GWS home games, I would prefer the cameras to be located on the wing at Giants Stadium, panning back to the main grandstand area- which is where all the GWS members are. It creates a much better spectacle for the home viewer with good crowds in the background, cf sparse crowds on the wing. "Sell the sizzle, not just the sausage".
RA will likely have a net $100m + profit from hosting the Rugby WC in 2027.
Unlike the post 2003 WC in Australia ($45m net profit), they will not squander this windfall.
I suspect they will spend vast amounts trying to reverse the long term decline in male GR contact RU nos.
An additional use of funds is that RA has also already announced (similar strategy adopted pre the 2003 WC) it intends to recruit some NRL stars, to strenthen the Wallabies for the 2027 WC.
Will this weaken the NRL, if RA recruits (for eg) 3 NRL stars?
I don't think this is correct.1. The AFL has launched "Quickkick", an Australia-wide initiative, for women born between 1930(!) -1987, who want to learn the skills of AF. It is designed to be an entry-level program for women who may later wish to play female comp. AF.
"There has already been a large take up across the country, with more than 2,000 people signing up within days of QuickKick’s launch. Among them is a multiple Grand Slam tennis champion and a 73-year-old!.
Of the current registered participants, one third are from NSW or Queensland... (my emphases)".
(As c. 700 women, "within days of Quickkick's launch", joined from NSW & Qld., this is a very good result for non-heartland States, in such a short period.
Interestingly, in Sydney, WS & SS are the only clinics established- not NS, ES, North WS, & Inner WS, where GR AF is far stronger. Newcastle & Wollongong, where AF is only a niche sport, were also chosen).
AFL Masters launches program for women over 35 - AFL NSW / ACT
If you’re 35-year-old woman or older, who’s never played footy but always yearned for the opportunity, this could be your chance to get out on the park! AFL Masters has launched QuickKick, an entry level program held fortnightly in all…Read more ›aflnswact.com.au
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This is incorrect, re GR adult female club comp. nos in WA (Official stats for general AF "participants", community, one-off events etc. have very little significance, cf club & school comp. nos., & Auskick).
On a per capita basis since 2017, WA has performed very poorly in GR female club nos., cf Vic. & Qld. (& Qld. is not an heartland State!).
This isn't really true though.
Correct.
Great suggestion.
Bjo187 replied" It's poor the AFL haven't had a word to them about it. Get a lot of gws and gold coast games on fta on Saturday afternoon, whilst there is no nrl on fta".
In the very high-rating VFA Sunday-exclusive pre-1982 games, the cameras were often in the back of the Outer, high up on scaffolding. If the sun was predicted, or out, an horizontal, protruding small shade was put on top of the camera ie the glare of the sun did not interfere with the telecast (unless a very high kick).
www.afl.com.au
I have been told by NRL fans that , at least for some games c. 10 years ago, there were some simulated noises in games- but only in these 2 circumstances.
1. The Australian J. Stensholt 18.7.22
Stensholt said
The AFL is trying to entice Seven West Media and Foxtel to up their bids for television rights to as close to $600m annually (my emphases) as possible, in an effort to keep the incumbent broadcasters in place until at least 2029 and as ViacomCBS-owned Network Ten considers a potential knockout bid for all free-to-air and streaming rights to the code.
Seven and Foxtel have indicated they are keen to maintain their rights, and discussions have begun regarding what mechanisms could be used to entice either party to raise their bids.
One option being discussed is Foxtel gaining rights to show more live matches of the local teams in passionate AFL cities Adelaide, where the Crows and Port are both popular, and Perth, the home of the West Coast Eagles and Fremantle...
One option for Foxtel, who would pay more for the rights, is its Kayo Freebies service that allows for the streaming of select events without a charge. But Seven is being steadfast in its discussions with the AFL that it must maintain the strong-rating Adelaide and Perth games.
Foxtel is also keen to cement Saturday as its showpiece day for showing AFL games on an exclusive basis, similar to its “Super Saturday” collection of NRL games each weekend...
As reported by The Australian in early July, Ten and the AFL have discussed a knockout bid for all of the sport’s rights, including streaming options, for about $600m per year in cash and contra, or $3bn in total over five years. Seven and Foxtel will pay a combined $946m for the 2023 and 2024 seasons".
Nine Entertainment has proposed a bid for a package of Thursday night games to the AFL, though the league is believed not to be keen to split its hosting options across more than two broadcasters unless it receives bids that are too lucrative to turn down"...
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bu...e/news-story/da4c89cac2fff63c66862423edcd23f9
More reports that the AFL is likely to receive an huge increase in its Rights' from 2025. This will likely lead also to a major increase in funding for NSW/ACT GR Auskick, club, & school comps.- the foundations of AF which, eventually (after GWS is fully sustainable) lead to a 3rd club in in wealthy, influential, & huge Sydney.
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Correct.
Giants games at Giants Stadium should have the TV cameras high in the Outer, panning back & down to where all their members are seated- much more crowded & animated:"sell" GWS games to viewers at home.
Ditto, Suns home games, & AFLW games- the morons in the AFL should not have to be told about this, it's basic marketing.
Great suggestion.
Bjo187 replied" It's poor the AFL haven't had a word to them about it. Get a lot of gws and gold coast games on fta on Saturday afternoon, whilst there is no nrl on fta".
I suspect if Paramount10 win the Rights, Ch. 10 will become Channel AFL- & it will put weekend day AFL matches, in Sydney & SEQ, on the main FTA channels ie not daytime, secondary channels.
In the very high-rating VFA Sunday-exclusive pre-1982 games, the cameras were often in the Outer, high up on scaffolding- if the sun was predicted, or out, an horizontal, small shade was put on top of the camera ie the glare of the sun did not interfere the TV vision.
This is how Port Melbourne VFL home games are broadcast now (cameras up high on scaffolding), panning back to the more crowded grandstand areas- inc. the 2022 VFLW Grand Final below, played at PMFC.
83:28MINS
Published on Jul 3, 2022, 1:15pm
VFLW Match Replay: Essendon v Southern Saints
The Bombers and Saints clash in the grand final of the VFLW Competition
I have been told by NRL fans that , at least for some games c. 10 years ago, there were some simulated noises in games- but only in these 2 circumstances.
Studio would "superimpose" a thud noise, audible for home viewers, when 2 NRL players collided; & cheering noises, to make the crowd seem more excited.
Can any one confirm if this is true, & does it still occur?
The locals weren't playing any sort of football on a Cricket oval when the first fleet arrived despite the claims of some.
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North Port Oval has the grandstand on the south side, unlike just about any other oval in Australia. That is why they shoot towards it..
