A Third Team In Sydney - It's Only a Matter Of Time !!

[jatz14]

BBT you were parotting some concerns about female football participation in W.A.

well can you explain this 2017 Participation Figures - Sports Industry AU

which shows female football participation (2017 but i don't think that matters much) as:

Total 463,364
W.A. 92,761
S.A. 102,518
Qld 100,841
Victoria 108,021

So IMO on these figures, Queensland is doing extremely well, W.A. and S.A. as expected and Victoria well below expectations on a population basis.
NSW, by a process of eleimination was doing O.K.

Be wary of figures quoting participation. Very rubbery.



On moto g(6) plus using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[RedV3x]

Be wary of figures quoting participation. Very rubbery.

As I say quite often - it is not the absolute value of the quantity but the relative values.
In this particular case I cannot see any valid reasons to criticize W.A.

Total 463,364
W.A. 92,761
S.A. 102,518
Qld 100,841
Victoria 108,021

 

[The_Wookie]

Be wary of figures quoting participation. Very rubbery.



On moto g(6) plus using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[BringBackTorps]

1. More reports that the AFL will almost certainly receive a large, imminent increase for its 2025 onwards Rights' $- which will enable it to significantly advance GR AF etc. in NSW & ACT (mainly significant progress in Auskick, club & school comp. nos.).


Channelnews specialises in analysis of business activities/profitability etc. of the MSM, & consumer trends in media penetration etc.
It stated in June 2022 there will be fierce competition for the AFL 2025 Rights, not just from Ch. 7 & & Foxtel but, this time, also from NINE & Paramount/10.

D. Richards, 12.7.22, said

"With the AFL set to announce who has the TV and streaming rights from 2025 shortly, the increased cost to networks is going to look cheap when compared to sporting rights in the USA where soccer is not even a mainstream sport, yet it’s attracting big dollars...

The A$3-billion-dollar fee (new 6 year- A$500m pa- deal for UEFA?) if they get it will be more than double what UEFA gets every year under current agreements, according to people familiar with the negotiations.
If this formula applies to AFL, networks could be paying a lot more than the $670M (US$= A$946, over 2years. My emphases, & words in brackets) that the last lot of rights generated for the AFL".


"With the AFL set to announce who has the TV and streaming rights from 2025 shortly, the increased cost to networks is going to look cheap when compared to sporting rights in the USA where soccer is not even a mainstream sport"

channelnews : As AFL Right’s Decision Looms Soccer Is Generating Billions

With the AFL set to announce who has the TV and streaming rights from 2025 shortly, the increased cost to networks is going to look cheap when compared to sporting rights in the USA where soccer is not even a mainstream sport, yet it’s attracting big dollars. The Union of European Football...

www.channelnews.com.au

Content Is King; & live sports' content is increasingly being highly sought after- & attracts increasing Rights' $.





2. SMH M. Conn 23.6

Conn said

"As a budding rugby league fullback Isaac Heeney loved watching Anthony Minichiello so he defied the family tradition of barracking for the Newcastle Knights to become a rusted-on Roosters fan.
Fast-forward and Heeney, 26, is the Swans’ poster boy, the Hunter Valley kid from NRL heartland who is a high-flying star of the AFL".

Isaac Heeney said

"Since the age of 12 I was in the Swans Academy and I think that was a massive driver as to why I stayed with AFL instead of NRL and pursued it. There was a nice little pathway”.

Conn "League remained his favourite sport until his mid-teens. He still watches more NRL than AFL.

When Heeney joined the Swans’ academy he couldn’t name most of the AFL clubs, let alone any of their star players...Heeney was the only kid in his primary school who played Aussie Rules and was one of only two at high school, proving how pivotal club academies are in the non-AFL states for attracting and retaining talent".

Heeney “The old man played rugby league and union growing up and mum was a swimmer and into athletics. AFL was foreign to the whole family,” Heeney said. (All my emphases).

How the kid who had no idea about AFL became a Swans star

Isaac Heeney couldn’t name most AFL clubs when he started with the Swans academy. Now he is the club’s foundation for the future.

www.theage.com.au

Junior AF comps. in NSW have strong Swans & GWS club branding etc., & reasonably regular player visits. This enhances the "tribalism" aspect, mixing with AFL players (if only briefly, & occasionally)/"live" role models, & identification with the Swans & GWS.

In the proximate period to 2012, there had been only "AFL"-branded Academies throughout NSW & ACT- but, re increasing NSW/ACT Draft nos., that period had very little success. They were, basically, failures- which reinforce the many benefits of having 2 "active" Clubs & their Academies from 2012.
IIRC, drafted player nos. had dropped considerably from the Riverina, for c. 15 years prior to GWS start in 2012; & Canberra Pear recently stated that, from 2005-2015, there were nil drafted players from ACT!

Very few people barrack for the AFL, they barrack for "our Club".

Since 2012, drafted nos. have noticeably increased.





3.

You do know there is a dedicated section on media rights

And you know that one issue or development can be relevant to multiple Threads.

Why are you actively trying to sabotage W.A. football ?

Bizarre.

 

[The_Wookie]

Dude we have media rights threads.

 

[Canberra Pear]

IIRC, drafted player nos. had dropped considerably from the Riverina, for c. 15 years prior to GWS start in 2012; & Canberra Pear recently stated that, from 2005-2015, there were nil drafted players from ACT!

I can't remember my exact words, but I think this may have been misinterpreted (or I misspoke).

The ACT had three recruits in that time. Josh Bruce, Jason Tutt and Phil Davis (though Davis technically came through the SANFL).

But the academy has definitely had an effect, pretty much averaging at least one player per year coming through since 2015.

 

[RedV3x]

And you know that one issue or development can be relevant to multiple Threads.

Are you a child. Am I dealing with a child.
As the mods have told you, post the guts of post in the relevant thread and the implications, comments and a LINK in another.
In this case media rights definitely belongs in it's unique thread being media rights.
Now, the implications of possibly getting more revenue is possibly more expenditure.
I can see only the most basic of links from more money to more expenditure on northern grassroots football.
They simply may do what they've done before and give more to the players or more to AFLW.
How they might use added revenue - grassroots, infrastructure, exhibition games (say Newcastle) is relevant.
What if the total revenue goes down.
What if FTA exposure is reduced ?

Bizarre.

Yes, it's bizarre that you attack the WWAFL in a NSW thread.
It's bizarre that you ask me for figures and when I give you figures (Wooki'es figures) you attack me.
Am I dealing with a child ?
Do you own up and say, on those figures, that women's football in W.A. looks to be doing O.K ?
I await with bated breath.

 

[RedV3x]

You don't state where these figures come from but it ends to show that:
1. There is no problem in W.A.
2. The situation in Victoria and in other regions (to a lesser degree) has come more into line with population figures.

 

[jatz14]

Female community club participation is a much more robust number than participation. Given each sport gets to define what a participant is , and frequently don't specify.

On SM-X200 using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[The_Wookie]

You don't state where these figures come from but it ends to show that:
1. There is no problem in W.A.
2. The situation in Victoria and in other regions (to a lesser degree) has come more into line with population figures.

Its from the 2018 AFL Annual Report

 

[Angus Young]

Not only that, but a boring troll.
I've lost count of the number of times he's posted the same thing... only to be shot down.....again.

He´s like a broken record.

-No one likes AFL outside of Australia.
-Where AFL began.
-Drugs in AFL
-Andrew Demitrio.
-GWS and tax payers money.

The poor little girl is so upset about AFL because it´s bigger than NRL in Australia.

It irritates him that much he spends his life trolling it on AFL forums.

Normal, mature, secure people don´t do that.

Loser.

 

[BringBackTorps]

1. This is a list of players from the ACT, who were drafted from 1998 inc., & actually played in the AFL.

It shows there were only two between 1998-2011 (although P. Davis left when he was 14 y.o.-he was recruited from SANFL); & eight from 2012-2021 inc. There was a big decline prior to 2012, & reveals the benefits of GWS's efforts, & their ACT Academy.

For AFLW players from the ACT & Queanbeyan, from 2017-2022, there are 14 players.
(In ACT & Queanbeyan, GR AF club & school comp. player nos. have also boomed since 2012, now easily eclipsing GR contact RL club & school comp. nos. in ACT & Queanbeyan).

"Player	ACT junior/senior club/s	Representative honours	AFL Years	AFL Games	AFL (Goals)	Connections to ACT, Notes & References
Tom Highmore	Tuggeranong Lions/Tuggeranong Hawks/Canberra		2021-	13	0	Born, recruited
Tom Green	Marist College Canberra		2020-	29	14	Raised in Canberra
Jackson Hately	-		2019-	16	2	Birth
Jack Steele	Belconnen	U18 (NSW/ACT Rams) (2013)	2015-	129	50	Born, recruited
Aaron vandenBerg	Ainslie		2015-	47	23	Recruited
Ivan Soldo	-		2015-	43	16	Born, raised, recruited
Logan Austin	Belconnen		2015–2020	20	0	Born and raised in Canberra
Josh Bruce	Eastlake		2012–	150	233	Born (1992) to 2008
Jason Tutt	Ainslie		2010–2016	40	27	Born (1991) to 2009
Phil Davis	Marist College Canberra		2009-	187	7	Born (1990) to 2004 (age 14)[36][37]
Craig Bolton	Eastlake	U18 (NSW/ACT Rams)	2000–2010	199	25	Raised and recruited
Brad Fuller	Tuggeranong / Marist College Canberra / Eastlake	U18 (NSW/ACT Rams)	1997–1998	16	5	Raised in Canberra
Jacob Anstey	Tuggeranong		1997–1998	16	5	Raised in Canberra
Justin Blumfield	Tuggeranong		1996–2004	148	91	Recruited
Aaron Hamill	Tuggeranong		1995–2007	190	239	Raised in Canberra
Troy Gray	St Edmund's College, Canberra		1992–1997	60	26	Raised in Canberra
Robert Neill	-		1992–1997	44	16	Raised in Canberra
James Hird	Ainslie	NSW/ACT (1993)	1991–2007	253	343	Born and raised in Canberra
Don Pyke	Belconnen	NSW/ACT (1993)	1989–1996	132	70	Raised in Canberra
Michael Werner	Queanbeyan	1988, NSW/ACT (1993)	1989–1994	60	80	Raised in Canberra
Matthew Mahoney	Eastlake		1989–1992	6	0	Raised in Canberra
Michael Kennedy	Manuka-Weston / Eastlake	1988	1988–1990	23	3	Raised in Canberra
Brett Allison	Belconnen	1988	1987–2000	228	285	Raised in Canberra
Shaun Smith	Ainslie	1988	1987–1998	109	134	Raised in Canberra
Adrian Barich	Marist College Canberra / Manuka	1988	1987–1992	47	27	Born and raised in Canberra
Adam Garton	West Canberra		1987–1988	3	1	Raised in Canberra
Peter Kenny	Manuka	1979	1986	11	20	Raised in Canberra
Geoff Hocking	Belconnen	1988	1981	6	0	Played there
Robert Anderson	Queanbeyan	1979	1980-1984	16	6	Born and raised in Canberra
Neil Bristow	Ainslie	1979	1979	10	4	Raised in Canberra
Michael Conlan	Manuka	1979	1977-1989	210	395	Raised in Canberra
Richard Murrie	-		1975-1983	111	13	Raised in Canberra
Ian Low	Manuka		1975-1980	78	79	Raised in Canberra, recruited
Keith Miller	Eastlake	1979	1974	2	0	Played there
Geoff Craighead	Australian National University FC		1973	7	0	Raised
Robert Whatman	Manuka		1973	34	17	Raised
Geoff Harrold	Ainslie / West Canberra / Queanbeyan	1973, 1979	1972	2	0	Raised
Rob Smith	Ainslie	1979	1971–77	48	48	Raised
Laurie Moloney	Belconnen	1979	1971–76	80	8	Played there
Alan Bloomfield	Ainslie		1970–1971	13	7	Recruited
Paul Feltham	Eastlake		1970–1978	135	86	Lived there, Recruited
Alex Jesaulenko	Eastlake		1967-1981	279	444	Raised in Canberra
Kevin Neale	Ainslie	1979c	1965-1977	256	301	Played there
Jack Douglas	Eastlake		1952-1953	14	0	Recruited
John McGreevy	Duntroon Military College		1952	3	0	Recruited
Alan Stevens	Ainslie / Eastlake / Manuka		1948-1950	22	1	Raised"

"Player	ACT junior/senior club/s	Representative honours	AFLW Years	AFLW Games	AFLW (Goals)	Connections to ACT, Notes & References
Najwa Allen	Eastlake		2022-	16	0	Recruited from ACT
Tarni Evans	Queanbeyan		2021-	9	0	Raised in Canberra, Recruited from ACT
Jacqueline Parry	Canberra		2020-	15	6	Recruited from ACT
Alexia Hamilton	Canberra		2020-	3	0	Recruited from ACT
Maddie Shevlin	Gungahlin		2018-	13	1	Recruited from ACT
Jodie Hicks	Belconnen		2018-2021	20	3	Recruited from ACT
Rheanne Lugg	Riverina Lions		2018-2021	15	3	Recruited from ACT
Britt Tully	Gungahlin		2017-	29	4	Recruited from ACT
Rhiannon Metcalfe	Gungahlin		2017-	26	1	Born and recruited from ACT
Hannah Dunn	Queanbeyan		2017-	25	0	Raised in Canberra
Talia Radan	Belconnen		2017-	16	0	Recruited from ACT
Ellie Brush	-		2017-2020	20	1	Born and recruited from ACT
Ella Ross	Queanbeyan		2017	7	0	Recruited from ACT
Hannah Wallett	Belconnen		2017	4	1	Recruited from ACT"

Australian rules football in the Australian Capital Territory - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2.

Yes, it's bizarre that you attack the WWAFL in a NSW thread.

I did not introduce the topic of female AF in WA, into this Thread.

Furthermore, my comment was "GR adult female club comp. player nos. in WA are very poor"- I said this twice, also to you; & also said I had no interest in the AFL's fluff "participant nos.", as these are very misleading & unreliable.
You only, however, produced "participant figures"- why not the above adult club nos,. for what I was discussing?

Surely you don't think that, in 2017, there were 92,761 GR adult female club comp. players in WA? What is your estimate for 2017, 2020, & 2022?

 

[Aussie in exile]

He´s like a broken record.

-No one likes AFL outside of Australia.
-Where AFL began.
-Drugs in AFL
-Andrew Demitrio.
-GWS and tax payers money.

The poor little girl is so upset about AFL because it´s bigger than NRL in Australia.

It irritates him that much he spends his life trolling it on AFL forums.

Normal, mature, secure people don´t do that.

Loser.

People struggle with the truth if it doesn't suit their agenda. especially those who live in a bubble and not the real world.
Don't drink the Kool aid. Live in the real world and get a proper job

 

[Aussie in exile]

So a man born in Australia, that invents a new sport in Australia called Australian rules football, that isn't played anywhere else in the world, somehow that sport isn't considered 'Australian'? Yeah, good point you make there, that's hilarious .

Mate he went to Rugby School in England where he played Rugby and Cricket
Can't you see the connection?
You would have to be a total ninnyhammer to believe that all football codes don't have their origins in the British Isles

 

[RedV3x]

I did not introduce the topic of female AF in WA, into this Thread.

FFS. You ran with it.

my comment was "GR adult female club comp. player nos. in WA are very poor"

with no knowledge of the situation there.

I had no interest in the AFL's fluff "participant nos.", as these are very misleading & unreliable.

As I have said many times before, I agree w.r.t. to absolute numbers but there tends to be truth in relative numbers.

You only, however, produced "participant figures"

Yes. It's seems like the logical thing to quote.

why not the above adult club nos,

WAWFL or WAFLW numbers ?

Surely you don't think that, in 2017, there were 92,761 GR adult female club comp. players in WA?

No more than I think there were about 100,000 in Victoria, Queensland and S.A.

What is your estimate for 2017, 2020, & 2022?

WTF do you care ? If you don't believe the AFL's figures WTF are you asking me ?
Wookie posted these figures and says they are from the AFL annual report I believe.
They show there is no problem with W.A. Don't you agree.
they don't exactly interpolate with participation figures but you'd have to be some kind of troll to suggest there is a problem in W.A.
Regardless WTF are you going on about it in this forum ?
this thread is about a 3rd team for SYDNEY FFS.

 

[Professor Knowall]

Mate he went to Rugby School in England where he played Rugby and Cricket. Can't you see the connection?
You would have to be a total ninnyhammer to believe that all football codes don't have their origins in the British Isles

No, you have it wrong. To note a contemporary source - Tom Wills' cousin and friend - and one of the pioneers of Australian Football, H.C.A. Harrison, in his autobiography, "The Story of an Athlete", recalled (chp 7) - "... when T.W.
Wills arrived back from England, fresh from Rugby School, full of enthusiam for all kinds of sport, he suggested that we should make a start with it. He very sensible advised us not to take up Rugby although that had been his own game because he considered it unsuitalbe for grown men ... but to work out a game of our own". - (which is exactly what they did!)

Furthermore, Wills was only one of four who codified the first Australian Ffotball rules on 17 May 1859 (the other 3 being W.J. Hammersley, J.B. Thompson and Irishman Thomas Smith). Thompson, for one, fiercely opposed any rugby influence in the rules and clearly got his way..

So the game was unique and Australian, very different from any English code right from the very start. Even the conservative Anglophile (but excellent historian) Geoffrey Blainey, writes ("A Game of Our Own") -

"..."The game is essentially an Australian invention. It arose ... When the various kinds of English football were still in a state of flux. ... Almost at once it was a distinctive game. ... far removed from rugby and soccer. ..." (Preface)

"... Selected by footballers themselves ... the committee of rule makers met on Tuesday 17 May 1859 and discussed rules which for the most part had been found to work well the preceding season ..." (p 47)

"... In designing the rules for football ... they were not merely plucking rules from here and there and combining them, The games played the previous season on the capacious grounds of Melbournemust already have brought certain rules and styles of play into prominence ... the new committee had to confirm those rules which most footballers were likely to accept.... they were also devising new rules which might solve some of the recent disputes that had occurred during play. By the end of the meeting they had moved a long way from the more rugby-style rules ..." (p 48)

The fact that the game was uniquely Australian and unlike anything from England was well recognised at the time.
In fact, the initial 1859 rules was recognised as being distinctly different from any of then English codes only weeks
after they were introduced is shown by the words of James Thompson (one of the four at the meeting that devised
the first codified rules of Australia's own football code), who wrote shortly after the meeting (in The Victorian Cricketer’s Guide for 1859-60) -

“Football, as played in Victoria, is now fit to run alone. I have accordingly omitted [from this publication] the Rugby and Eton rules, because we have agreed to a code of our own…”

 

[Canberra Pear]

1. This is a list of players from the ACT, who were drafted from 1998 inc., & actually played in the AFL.

It shows there were only two between 1998-2011 (although P. Davis left when he was 14 y.o.-he was recruited from SANFL); & eight from 2012-2021 inc. There was a big decline prior to 2012, & reveals the benefits of GWS, & their ACT Academy.

For AFLW players from the ACT & Queanbeyan, from 2017-2022, there are 14 players.
(In ACT & Queanbeyan, GR AF club & school comp. player nos. have also boomed since 2012, now easily eclipsing GR contact RL club & school comp. nos. in ACT & Queanbeyan).

"Player	ACT junior/senior club/s	Representative honours	AFL Years	AFL Games	AFL (Goals)	Connections to ACT, Notes & References
Tom Highmore	Tuggeranong Lions/Tuggeranong Hawks/Canberra		2021-	13	0	Born, recruited
Tom Green	Marist College Canberra		2020-	29	14	Raised in Canberra
Jackson Hately	-		2019-	16	2	Birth
Jack Steele	Belconnen	U18 (NSW/ACT Rams) (2013)	2015-	129	50	Born, recruited
Aaron vandenBerg	Ainslie		2015-	47	23	Recruited
Ivan Soldo	-		2015-	43	16	Born, raised, recruited
Logan Austin	Belconnen		2015–2020	20	0	Born and raised in Canberra
Josh Bruce	Eastlake		2012–	150	233	Born (1992) to 2008
Jason Tutt	Ainslie		2010–2016	40	27	Born (1991) to 2009
Phil Davis	Marist College Canberra		2009-	187	7	Born (1990) to 2004 (age 14)[36][37]
Craig Bolton	Eastlake	U18 (NSW/ACT Rams)	2000–2010	199	25	Raised and recruited
Brad Fuller	Tuggeranong / Marist College Canberra / Eastlake	U18 (NSW/ACT Rams)	1997–1998	16	5	Raised in Canberra
Jacob Anstey	Tuggeranong		1997–1998	16	5	Raised in Canberra
Justin Blumfield	Tuggeranong		1996–2004	148	91	Recruited
Aaron Hamill	Tuggeranong		1995–2007	190	239	Raised in Canberra
Troy Gray	St Edmund's College, Canberra		1992–1997	60	26	Raised in Canberra
Robert Neill	-		1992–1997	44	16	Raised in Canberra
James Hird	Ainslie	NSW/ACT (1993)	1991–2007	253	343	Born and raised in Canberra
Don Pyke	Belconnen	NSW/ACT (1993)	1989–1996	132	70	Raised in Canberra
Michael Werner	Queanbeyan	1988, NSW/ACT (1993)	1989–1994	60	80	Raised in Canberra
Matthew Mahoney	Eastlake		1989–1992	6	0	Raised in Canberra
Michael Kennedy	Manuka-Weston / Eastlake	1988	1988–1990	23	3	Raised in Canberra
Brett Allison	Belconnen	1988	1987–2000	228	285	Raised in Canberra
Shaun Smith	Ainslie	1988	1987–1998	109	134	Raised in Canberra
Adrian Barich	Marist College Canberra / Manuka	1988	1987–1992	47	27	Born and raised in Canberra
Adam Garton	West Canberra		1987–1988	3	1	Raised in Canberra
Peter Kenny	Manuka	1979	1986	11	20	Raised in Canberra
Geoff Hocking	Belconnen	1988	1981	6	0	Played there
Robert Anderson	Queanbeyan	1979	1980-1984	16	6	Born and raised in Canberra
Neil Bristow	Ainslie	1979	1979	10	4	Raised in Canberra
Michael Conlan	Manuka	1979	1977-1989	210	395	Raised in Canberra
Richard Murrie	-		1975-1983	111	13	Raised in Canberra
Ian Low	Manuka		1975-1980	78	79	Raised in Canberra, recruited
Keith Miller	Eastlake	1979	1974	2	0	Played there
Geoff Craighead	Australian National University FC		1973	7	0	Raised
Robert Whatman	Manuka		1973	34	17	Raised
Geoff Harrold	Ainslie / West Canberra / Queanbeyan	1973, 1979	1972	2	0	Raised
Rob Smith	Ainslie	1979	1971–77	48	48	Raised
Laurie Moloney	Belconnen	1979	1971–76	80	8	Played there
Alan Bloomfield	Ainslie		1970–1971	13	7	Recruited
Paul Feltham	Eastlake		1970–1978	135	86	Lived there, Recruited
Alex Jesaulenko	Eastlake		1967-1981	279	444	Raised in Canberra
Kevin Neale	Ainslie	1979c	1965-1977	256	301	Played there
Jack Douglas	Eastlake		1952-1953	14	0	Recruited
John McGreevy	Duntroon Military College		1952	3	0	Recruited
Alan Stevens	Ainslie / Eastlake / Manuka		1948-1950	22	1	Raised"

"Player	ACT junior/senior club/s	Representative honours	AFLW Years	AFLW Games	AFLW (Goals)	Connections to ACT, Notes & References
Najwa Allen	Eastlake		2022-	16	0	Recruited from ACT
Tarni Evans	Queanbeyan		2021-	9	0	Raised in Canberra, Recruited from ACT
Jacqueline Parry	Canberra		2020-	15	6	Recruited from ACT
Alexia Hamilton	Canberra		2020-	3	0	Recruited from ACT
Maddie Shevlin	Gungahlin		2018-	13	1	Recruited from ACT
Jodie Hicks	Belconnen		2018-2021	20	3	Recruited from ACT
Rheanne Lugg	Riverina Lions		2018-2021	15	3	Recruited from ACT
Britt Tully	Gungahlin		2017-	29	4	Recruited from ACT
Rhiannon Metcalfe	Gungahlin		2017-	26	1	Born and recruited from ACT
Hannah Dunn	Queanbeyan		2017-	25	0	Raised in Canberra
Talia Radan	Belconnen		2017-	16	0	Recruited from ACT
Ellie Brush	-		2017-2020	20	1	Born and recruited from ACT
Ella Ross	Queanbeyan		2017	7	0	Recruited from ACT
Hannah Wallett	Belconnen		2017	4	1	Recruited from ACT"

Australian rules football in the Australian Capital Territory - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2.

I did not introduce the topic of female AF in WA, into this Thread.

Furthermore, my comment was "GR adult female club comp. player nos. in WA are very poor"- I said this twice, also to you; & also said I had no interest in the AFL's fluff "participant nos.", as these are very misleading & unreliable.
You only, however, produced "participant figures"- why not the above adult club nos,. for what I was discussing?

Surely you don't think that, in 2017, there were 92,761 GR adult female club comp. players in WA? What is your estimate for 2017, 2020, & 2022?

Josh Fahey was also recruited from Queanbeyan in 2021 (currently on the GWS injury list).

He's a good example of the AFL's increased Canberra presence paying off. He grew up in a union family, and played union and league growing up, but all his friends played Aussie Rules, so he gave it a go and excelled.

 

[BringBackTorps]

1. Henson Park, in Marrickville Inner WS, has a capacity of c.15k (big hill). Due to the lack of summer, suitable AF grounds in NS & ES (Swans' Zone) for an elite AFLW team, the Swans will play their AFLW games there. In winter, it already hosts GR AF games there.
On 28.6.22, more details were announced of the $10.5m major upgrade it will receive- create specific women's facilities, refurbished grandstand etc. The AFL is paying $2.5m.

Henson Park Redevelopment gets Green Light - AFL Sydney

Image: The Hon Stuart Ayres MP is joined by (L-R) Naomi Mason (Newtown Breakaways), Tiffany Robertson (AFL NSW/ACT), Sarah Ford (Sydney Swans) and Newtown Jets representatives One of Sydney’s most iconic ovals, Henson Park, is set to receive a major…Read more ›

sydneyafl.com.au

Swans AFLW player S. Ford, referring to the major upgrade (she is an engineer working on it) said

"The growth in the women's game has been phenomenal...You turn up gameday, & the facilities aren't what a female expects them to be, so it's awesome to see people wanting to improve that, & it's only going to do great things for the game".




Female GR AF has been booming all over Sydney & NSW since 2017- when the vast majority of GR clubs are able to provide separate female changerooms, & toilets/showers etc., this growth will probably be further turbocharged.






2. The Swans' new AFLW team has obtained Volkswagen as their shorts' sponsor, until the end of 2024. Another prestigous sponsor, QBE, is also the AFLW Swans' jumper sponsor
Volkswagen has also sponsored the "Volkswagen Swans Fit Program", which has had "thousands of schoolchildren" in Sydney already participate in it; & has provided c. $100k funds for GR AF.

Volkswagen partner with Swans AFLW

The Sydney Swans are thrilled to announce Volkswagen will be partnering with the club’s AFLW team, until the end of the 2024 season.

www.sydneyswans.com.au

Due to Sydney's very strong corporate presence/many HQ's etc., the AFL has greatly benefited from relationships with very large, "generous", cos.






3.

my comment was "GR adult female club comp. player nos. in WA are very poor"

RedV3x replied "with no knowledge of the situation there".

Another incorrect statement from you.
Other BF posters have said GR female adult club nos. in Perth are poor, & I agree with them- as per my link below, with details of "GR female adult club comp. nos." in Perth.
I never queried, nor expressed disappointment, with GR junior female club comp. nos.

A quick look at grass roots senior football in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth.

1. abc TV 7pm news P. Kennedy 10.3.22 Kennedy, re umpires, said "Thousands [?] of officials have left the game and the AFL is making big changes to win them back". ("Thousands"?- & over how many years? I have heard it is common for c. 25% of Field umpires cease umpiring within c. 3 years of...

www.bigfooty.com

(See my post 17.7.22)

They show there is no problem with W.A. Don't you agree.

No, I don't agree- the Perth Football League (which only started in 2018, with only 16 teams- there was a very small women's League before then) in 2022 only has 66 women's teams. As Perth is an heartland city of c. 2.15m, this is , relatively, very poor for GR women's AF (even if the 2022 WAFLW teams were added).

Another BF poster said that c. 40 women's teams have been added, in the PFL, in last 2 years.

More than football - the profound impact of the women's competition - VAFA

Shona MacInnes – Women’s Football & Engagement Manager Sometimes we look back and question if we had our time over would we have done things differently. Regarding the VAFA women’s footy

www.vafa.com.au

they don't exactly interpolate with participation figures but you'd have to be some kind of troll to suggest there is a problem in W.A.

The female "participation figures" you provided a link for (& you very rarely provide any links whatsoever) of 100K+ females in WA in 2017 are, obviously, VERY misleading. I only referred to "GR adult female club comp. nos." Club jnr female nos. are good in WA now.

The only person who is trolling is you.

 

[RedV3x]

No, I don't agree.

FFS. You go on about what another B.F. troll stated with absolutely no understanding of the situation in W.A.
I have shown you many times that there is no problem with female football in W.A. and it compares well with the rest of Australia.
If you want further discussion then you need to do the courtesy of posting your thoughts in the correct thread.
This troll of yours has no place in "A third team for Sydney".

 

[RedV3x]

1. Henson Park, in Marrickville Inner WS, has a capacity of c.15k

Strange to mention "capacity" when Henson Park is essentially a large open space.

Female GR AF has been booming all over Sydney & NSW since 2017-

"Booming" , great, can you give figures so we can have an accurate assessment for ourselves just how good things are.

 

[RedV3x]

The female "participation figures" of 100K+ females in WA in 2017 are, obviously, VERY misleading.

No, they are AFL figures according to Wookie and as relative measure they show W>a> female football in good stead.

I only referred to "GR adult female club comp. nos."

The proof is in the pudding so to speak and obviously female football in W.A. is doing well from a results p.o.v.

 

[The_Wookie]

Well this thread is on a fine tangent.

Im going to lock this - future posts on Sydney development can go in this thread -

Footy Developments in NSW and Queensland

Discuss please

www.bigfooty.com

Media rights posts to the media rights thread here - The next Media rights deal (2023-?)

WA womens footy issues to the WA womens footy thread here - Local - WA Womens Competition - General Discussion Thread