Strategy Aaron Naughton - Key Defender or Key Forward?

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Dogsman16 said:
Naughton is the key plank of our forward line whereas the others could be delisted. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.
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Our key plank in our forward line cannot execute the most important skill of a forward that is kick a goal a from set shot on the required basis

That is a massive problem
 

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Yeah let’s replace him with statistically the worst kick for goal in the comp, that’s what you’re all suggesting. How does this improve our goal kicking exactly?

Man you people really need some perspective, as of OGs stats from last week, of all the players who have had over 35 shots at goal, if Naughty was going at the highest % of them all. He’d have an extra 6 goals this year, or an extra goal every 2nd week. That’s literally it. Now if you really think Naughty doesn’t generate an extra goal every 2 weeks through idk being the best ground level key forward in the comp? Defensive pressure? Taking the best defender every week away from other forwards? Then you’re absolutely kidding yourself.

We all agree Jeremy Cameron is a fantastic kick, obviously better than Naughty - yet he’s a whopping 6% more accurate!!! This would translate to an extra 2 goals this season…

What does this tell us? For them to have similar accuracy % well obviously he must be generating better looks at goal. Do you really think we can just replace Naughyy with any tall bloke that can kick straight and he instantly generates the same opportunities? **** no. Marra & Lobb would get murdered without him.

Has he had a bad few weeks yes, does he let us down sometimes in front of goal yes and does he need to improve? Absolutely. ****ing talk about an overreaction in here though - good thing is it will definitely not happen so keep wasting time discussing it 😂

In 3 years time if Darcy & Marra are so good that we have the luxury of playing Naughty in defence, sure great I’m all for it.
 
Chalky White said:
Until he stops the Hoppy run up to kick at goal he will be completely uncoachable. Too much movement in hips, shoulders, hands.
The great set shots Lockett, Dunstall, McKenna had simple styles that didn't break down.
The anomaly was Carey who moved his hands side to side.
If me, a novice can see the flaw how can coaches not explain to him. Complete B/S that he will not adapt
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Those champs you mention didn't have an army of specialist coaches to get them to adapt because they were natural forwards. I'll chuck in another, Kelvin Templeton, a forward as natural as you could get. So now we have Naughton, a manufactured forward who is never going to achieve champion status. However in his defence, he has been "coached" by Gia (a totally different player), Hansen (a serviceable player at best), and Spanger (a bit player for three clubs who'd be lucky to hold down HBF in this current team).

All this has happened in his development years. As it stands, the bloke hasn't got a chance. There are only three scenarios for him.

One. He requests a trade to another club where he can get the specialised coaching.

Two. He does a Josh Bruce and requests a move into a defense role.

Three. The club admits he is being poorly managed and makes the necessary changes to the coaching and development personnel.

What's going to happen? Who knows but he certainly is being wasted with what's going on and it's not fair to him.
 
It honestly wouldn't matter if Naughton going back would somehow guarantee us a flag this year. With the media now heavily suggesting the move, there's absolutely zero chance Bevo makes it.
 
No chance Naughton goes back mid season.

But I think there is a remote chance Bruce will go forward. I think a fit Bruce really straightens things up. I can see our forward line looking like Bruce, Naughton and JUH. I’m happy for Lobb to be given an extended run on the Wing.

In the backline I’d like to see Jones, Gardiner and JOD. On Gardiner apart from that horrific turnover and getting caught holding the ball he didn’t do to bad of a job on Cameron in hindsight.

I’m hoping Gardiner can build some confidence in the second half of the year because he did get the job done more often than not last year.
 
Here we go dogs said:
No chance Naughton goes back mid season.

But I think there is a remote chance Bruce will go forward. I think a fit Bruce really straightens things up. I can see our forward line looking like Bruce, Naughton and JUH. I’m happy for Lobb to be given an extended run on the Wing.

In the backline I’d like to see Jones, Gardiner and JOD. On Gardiner apart from that horrific turnover and getting caught holding the ball he didn’t do to bad of a job on Cameron in hindsight.

I’m hoping Gardiner can build some confidence in the second half of the year because he did get the job done more often than not last year.
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Is Lobb on the wing really working out in terms of what it’s designed for? I can only assume it’s to help our defence aerially and to be the kick down the line out of defence but is he even doing that?
 
adogsfan5 said:
Is Lobb on the wing really working out in terms of what it’s designed for? I can only assume it’s to help our defence aerially and to be the kick down the line out of defence but is he even doing that?
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I agree it hasn’t worked yet, but it’s only been trialed for 3 weeks. Think it needs more time before we throw it in the bin.

We haven’t seen much of it, but I think they really want the ball in Lobbs hands around the ground more as his long field kicking that can break zones.
 
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Here we go dogs said:
I agree it hasn’t worked yet, but it’s only been trialed for 3 weeks. Think it needs more time before we throw it in the bin.

We haven’t seen much of it, but I think they really want the ball in Lobbs hands around the ground more as his beautiful long field kick that can break zones.
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Lobb is on the wing because of his GPS numbers. Bevo likes wingmen who can run all day.
 
Here we go dogs said:
I agree it hasn’t worked yet, but it’s only been trialed for 3 weeks. Think it needs more time before we throw it in the bin.

We haven’t seen much of it, but I think they really want the ball in Lobbs hands around the ground more as his long field kicking that can break zones.
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If we play any talls on the wing I'd say O'Donnell or jamarra. Someone that can be a genuine making threat whilst not being a total liability for ground balls.
 

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Substance said:
He's been worked out. Remember he used to not get goals from general play, only marks & set shots. Well now it's the opposite, he's not pack marking or contested marking like he used to. Send him to CHB.
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We’re all saying it except the stubborn coach. If we had a decent coach like Chris Scott or Damian Hardwick, Naughton would be in the backline but we all know Bevo doesn’t like top 4
 
Naughton is a gun forward. He's just having a lean patch and some confidence issues. Hard to see why with defenders being able to hold him at every contest and our midfield not knowing how to deliver the ball.
To play him in the backline would be a waste even if he was the gun everyone is convinced he would be.
I also have severe reservations he would be anything more than just an okay defender. He can mark but struggles with decision making and one on one contests, he has elite pressure but is prone to brain fades where he is completely out of contests or gives away a dumb free kick. These are not the attributes of a game changing defender. They are the attributes of current Alex Keath on steroids.
 
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A key benefit of moving him to backline would be the change in the way we play.
  • We can be more aggressive in our ball movement. More confidence in defending in the turnover means less boundary and more corridor use. Our wingers aren't good enough to be the key link players go in f50 (Baker avg a turnover every 3.5 disposals!).
  • More focus on finding targets in F50, rather than sitting it on Astro's head (Melb game from pre-season in 2021 was an example of the effect taking him out of fwd line had on our teams mindset when kicking i50)

Surprised his agent isnt telling him to request the move back at this stage. J Mcgov is on 1mil+, Darcy Moore would be top 5 player in the league, and I'd argue Astro could be better than both.
 
BIG_BONTS said:
Have been a big advocate of Naughts back in the past. I don't think it's the solution right now.

He needs to float further up the ground at times to get back into the game and form. Waste of his ability to touch the ball half dozen times in a game.
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Yeah I think this is the solution for now, back to CHF for Naughty where he’s played some of his best footy. Just get him up the ground on his bike and not so restricted being locked down by the best defenders, he’s a little out of touch and struggling with them atm. Marra seems capable of playing FF now, he’s getting stronger aerially every week and if he’s getting some more looks inside 30m his goal kicking should hopefully improve a lot. Lobb & Marra deeper who are both smart on the lead hopefully forces our mids to lower their eyes a bit. Naughty gives us the bailout at CHF we’re desperate for.

I’ve said it a few times now but I’d honestly even give him some time in the middle, just crash and bash & cause some chaos what’s the worst that could happen?
 
immortalmike said:
Naughton is a gun forward. He's just having a lean patch and some confidence issues. Hard to see why with defenders being able to hold him at every contest and our midfield not knowing how to deliver the ball.
To play him in the backline would be a waste even if he was the gun everyone is convinced he would be.
I also have severe reservations he would be anything more than just an okay defender. He can mark but struggles with decision making and one on one contests, he has elite pressure but is prone to brain fades where he is completely out of contests or gives away a dumb free kick. These are not the attributes of a game changing defender. They are the attributes of current Alex Keath on steroids.
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His first season he played back, missed half the season and finished 4th in best and fairest.
He doesn't lead, has no forward craft, can't kick and is costing us games basically carrying him as a forward.
My thoughts are, forget the experiment of playing him forward. Play him as an interceptor in defence. If he doesn't like it, trade him and get potentially pick 1 from West Coast.
I can't deal with his flaky goalkicking any longer. I will have a heart attack due to stress for sure.
Naughton for Reid works for me.
 
Chalky White said:
His first season he played back, missed half the season and finished 4th in best and fairest.
He doesn't lead, has no forward craft, can't kick and is costing us games basically carrying him as a forward.
My thoughts are, forget the experiment of playing him forward. Play him as an interceptor in defence. If he doesn't like it, trade him and get potentially pick 1 from West Coast.
I can't deal with his flaky goalkicking any longer. I will have a heart attack due to stress for sure.
Naughton for Reid works for me.
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That best and fairest result was a long time ago and in a team that sucked arse.
He does lead. We just don't hit him up and instead wait for him to be manned up and kick it to his head.
His goal kicking is not as bad as made out. Barely worse than the league average. And his shots are usually pretty tough, again because of our poor ball use.
His forward craft has actually improved out of sight and his pressure is elite.
Absolute gun forward not helped by our poor skills and forward structure.
He could be an okay interceptor...but I'd rather a gun forward.

Trading him would be the dumbest decision in the history of football. A bit of an emotional overreaction there.
 

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