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Strategy Aaron Naughton - Key Defender or Key Forward?
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He named O’Donnell Bruce and gardy as options. He clearly didn’t see O’Donnell not being ready and Brucey’s game against Charlie Dixon.
I'd rather go full development and bring in buss and o'donnell. Bruce needs to either be full forward or in the twos.
I was sitting directly behind the goals on L2 tonight and had a great view of our forward like in that 3rd term and the forward line just functioned so much better, just more freedom and movement, not everything crashing the same pack etc. It just worked without Naughton in there.
If it’s not Naughton then it’s gotta be Gardner and Bruce. But Jesus that’s a concern.
lachy
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Get where your coming from but we should not be giving up on this season to Blood players. Give him the opportunity down back
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lachy
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Of all the things Bev is critisized for , I would have thought it is not knowing when something is not working for the team as it transitions and making the change
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Don't think the forward line looked too much better without Naughton imo.
Lobb did take a contested grab and a few other things but that's it.
All 3 can be in the same forward line imo, just not flying for the same contests.
Lobb did take a contested grab and a few other things but that's it.
All 3 can be in the same forward line imo, just not flying for the same contests.
lachy
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As an individual Naughton is a very good player
As we have more forwards developing it is also clear he is not a natural forward ofter having he and another forward flying together.
The evidence is there but many do not want to see it
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lachy
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It is a fair comment and opinion, but how long does it have to continue with Naughton and name the other forward flying for the same ball before a change is made
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Why aren’t our lesser forwards being taught to get out of our premier key forwards way & lay blocks for him?
“Hey Hawkins stop flying for the same marks as Gary Rohan
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Naughton, Bruce and English were able to co-exist very effectively in 2021, in fact its the best our forward line has ever functioned under beveridge.
Maybe the coaching of our forward line has something to do with it?
Maybe the coaching of our forward line has something to do with it?
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What evidence is there? The evidence is that our most dominant forward who was probably top 3 most influential players on the ground in the first half moved behind the ball and was beaten by his direct opponent, took zero marks and turned over a direct goal through his poor kicking. We completely lost his influence on the game.
Did the forward line work better? Our tall forwards took two marks inside 50 in the 2nd half with out him, Naughty took 3 himself in the first half. Literally the only difference with our scoring was we converted our opportunities in front of goal in the 2nd half, nothing to do with him…
Not to mention the game completely opened up after half time with the ball pinging in as we transitioned it much better from half back - as that tends to happen when teams fatigue, especially young shit teams like Norf. Naughty probably would have finished with 4 or 5 had he stayed forward.
What’s the evidence? This half completely justified Bevo in refusing to send him back permanently, it now could not be clearer that this thread should be closed. He plays his best footy as high CHF, keep Lobb, Marra & Cody deep. Simple.
lachy
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Seriously you cannot understand the basic concept of a forward line working together. Anyone watching at all could see how much better the forward line functioned when he moved back with space movement. If you can't that's OK keep posting and getting your likes from 1 other poster.
We kicked 5 goals in a half with according to you and 1 or 2 others at most have him as most influential yet others flourished when he moved out. Our forward line functioned well. And before you say it was only against North remember you are the one who said pointing out he has kicked most of his bags against average teams or depleted backlines which is a statistical fact not an opinion well so was the forward output this game.
He may not be the panacea moving back but of you don't think he would be much better than any of the alternatives this season, there is no question of that.
With Jones and TOB out, JJ and Red out, we don't play him back this year is done
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M8 we had 4 more scoring shots in the second half than the first. Case closed. The revolution is here.
Our defence was abysmal in the second half. Luckily for Naughts, there’s a special rule where he’s only responsible for the entire team’s problems if he’s in the front half of the ground.
Any half decent opposition coaching staff would work out pretty quickly that Naughton is the one they want kicking the ball out of defensive 50.
The main problem is that he's going to miss basic 15m chip passes and cause dire turnovers. It's not even aggressive kicks he would be missing, these are basic passes.
That and he's going to completely slow down ball movement outside defensive 50. When hes the one responsible for the long switch kick across ground you all are gonna want him forward.
The main problem is that he's going to miss basic 15m chip passes and cause dire turnovers. It's not even aggressive kicks he would be missing, these are basic passes.
That and he's going to completely slow down ball movement outside defensive 50. When hes the one responsible for the long switch kick across ground you all are gonna want him forward.
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The evidence was also there in his second year but Bevo persisted perhaps because he didn’t have Marra or Lobb then and Weightman was in his first year. I was one who wanted him to return to defence back then but the longer we persisted the harder it became to do that.
As the years have elapsed we’ve invested precious seasons into developing his forward craft and we’ve neglected developing him as a defender. Naughton now sees himself as a defender. He has got to the point of becoming a 50 goal a year forward, but as many have pointed out it could well be at a cost to our forward cohesion.
Perhaps this could have been avoided with better forward coaching but it’s hard to know.
Do we now go back to square one and re-educate Naughton as a defender, risking him getting so pissed off he goes elsewhere? He should be able to pick it up faster than forward craft because of his junior days but it’s an admission of failed opportunity if we do. And let’s not pretend that those early years as an AFL defender aren’t important in developing a player. It’s not just about natural skill it’s about experience and other learning, like playing as a defensive unit with 6 others.
Or do we persist with him in attack in a compromised forward system and seemingly with no-one able to impose the required discipline on them? Perhaps forever performing at 80% of what it should be.
As Laurel used to say to Hardy “this is a fine mess you’ve gotten us into”!
So either he’s going to keep clogging our forward line and spoils others marks, and when he does mark it he will probably miss the shot…OR he turns the ball over out of the backline half the time.
Most of that can be coached out of his game…and we already have two VFL players who do that frequently (Gardner and O Brien) so it’s not a massive trade off.
Most of that can be coached out of his game…and we already have two VFL players who do that frequently (Gardner and O Brien) so it’s not a massive trade off.
lachy
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Eloquent summary, really like the way you have summarised it. It is not black and white but we are very thin down back and we are not going anywhere deep in the season unless we improve our defensive options and our KPD'S are not inspiring for this season
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lachy
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If and only if given our dearth of talent down back this season, he is playing forward it has to be high no doubt. Problem is he is rarely played high
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Was going to post that surely this thread should end now.
But there are seriously still people advocating for him back after that disastrous display.
Genuine alternate reality stuff.
But there are seriously still people advocating for him back after that disastrous display.
Genuine alternate reality stuff.
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Guess we'll be having a quiet September
lachy
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It is a bit unfair to blame him for all of our forward line woes, he does not help with some but would also question quite a few set up and movement issues as well as instructions to those kicking in to the forward line.
He was clearly rusty when moved back and not mentally there for it tonight. Though there were 3 clear stoppages of North's forward entries I am not sure the alternatives would have stopped as well as the obvious turnover.
It really is a mute point though when the coach comes out and says he will not be playing back when we get back after the bye
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