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I think player reviews work great with a senior group, one contending etc.
With a young group? No way.
You need an authority figure who lays down absolute non negotiables and then enacts clear consequences when they aren't followed through with.
We clearly are not doing that at the moment and there seems to be one rule for some, different rules for others.
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AFL makes it financially easier for clubs to sack contracted senior coaches
Stuart Dew was the only senior coach sacked last year, but the AFL has now made it easier for contracted coaches to be given the flick. Here’s how.
Jon RalphSports Reporter@RalphyHeraldSun
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March 19, 2024 - 6:00PM
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...3232054f4f50f084c7fead5290c12?amp#share-tools
![[PLAYERCARD]Stuart Dew[/PLAYERCARD]. Picture: Getty Images](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7 "[PLAYERCARD]Stuart Dew[/PLAYERCARD]. Picture: Getty Images")
Stuart Dew. Picture: Getty Images
The AFL has halved the tax rate for clubs which spend more than the $7 million football department cap in a move that will reduce their payout fees if they sack contracted coaches.
The AFL’s decision to allow clubs to pay 20 per cent of their senior coach’s salary outside their football department limit has been warmly received by clubs.
The league increased the football department cap to $7.275 million in November and also allowed clubs to save $100,000 of soft cap space and spend it in the following season.
But the extent of the tax cuts is also significant after clubs felt they were being harshly penalised as soon as they spent over the football department limit.
Until last year clubs spending up to $100,000 over the cap paid 75 per cent tax – so handed over a total of $175,000 to the league for that decision.
Stuart Dew was the only AFL coach to be sacked last year, but there could be more to come. Picture: Getty Images
Clubs spending $100,000 to $25,000 over the cap were taxed at 100 per cent, clubs spending $250,000-$500,000 over the cap paid a 150 per cent tax and those spending $500,000 or more were hit by a 200 per cent tax for every dollar over that figure.
Clubs now are taxed at only 25 per cent for overspending by up to 100,000, by 50 per cent for spending $100,000-$250,000 over the cap, 75 per cent for spending $250,000-500,000 over the cap and 100 per cent for spending $500,000-$1 million over the cap.
It will allow clubs in the window to make prudent decisions on when to pay up for extra coaches or football department investment.
But it will also mean clubs who are keen to move on contracted coaches can make that decision without it being financially crippling.
Clubs can pay up to $500,000 every year over the football department limit and only pay an extra 75 per cent in tax.
But if they spend over $500,000 in the cap year on year the tax rate grows to 150 per cent in the second year and 200 per cent in the year in a multiplying effect.
The Eagles elected to keep Adam Simpson on as coach. Picture: Getty Images
West Coast could have had to pay millions in extra football department tax if it sacked Adam Simpson with two years on his deal, but eventually had its board “unanimously” endorse him for 2024.
If the Eagles moved him on this year the new rules would minimise their tax impost.
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Starting to think he was told he was gone after the Adelaide game. Regardless.If any can be ****ed, look at the matches vs Dockers and Dees at Optus. Stark contrast to the last two games. Wonder what happened
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Gavin Bell has to **** off too. Was apart of development around to time of our demise, 2019 onwards. A major issue at our club. He’s head of football from 2022. The single worst year we’ve had. He seems to be Nesbitt piece that’s managed to linger for too long. Nobody speakers volumes of him within industry like other football bosses. Needs to go before Simmo imo.
Agreed. Was it Neale Daniher who we headhunted for the footy manager role when we were horrendous back in 2008-10? Be good to get someone of that ilk to the club especially if we are going to bring in an untried coach
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barra made a mess of himself like usual
Anyone questioning the talent on our list or think there is a distinct lack of talent in our youth need to remember that for many years the dockers had the same issue.
They always seemed to recruit poor players and when good players moved to the club the always seemed to underperform.
This is the same issue with us in recent years and I firmly believe we have the talent in our youth to challenge for finals in 2 or 3 of years if we get the coach and development staff correct.
I think our culture and state of the club isn't conducive to producing good players currently.
They always seemed to recruit poor players and when good players moved to the club the always seemed to underperform.
This is the same issue with us in recent years and I firmly believe we have the talent in our youth to challenge for finals in 2 or 3 of years if we get the coach and development staff correct.
I think our culture and state of the club isn't conducive to producing good players currently.
We're not going to hand the List Management keys to a rebuilding/development coach. We do, however, need a figurehead in place to at least assist in selling the dream to potential recruits.
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That stuff from Caro, which she obviously got from the club, about how the club feels betrayed by Simmo because he said he would play the kids but he hasn't and thats why they are going to sack him is pure asse covering and clearly from the the mouths of the people on the Board who gave the thumbs up to his massive contract extension years ago and who opposed sacking him last year.
They don't want to admit that they were wrong with the decision 12 months ago. They don't want to admit that they misjudged things, haven't gotten the results they expected, or that is is obvious that Simmo is not the man for the job like they told us he was and that he has clearly has lost interest in the job and is just waiting for a pay out. They don't want to admit any of that because it reflects on them and their poor judgement that has wasted 12 months. So they invent a fake reason for firing him (i.e. he isn't playing enough kids) that is 100% on Simpson and doesn't embarass them.
The blame shifting and narrative control phase has begun.
They don't want to admit that they were wrong with the decision 12 months ago. They don't want to admit that they misjudged things, haven't gotten the results they expected, or that is is obvious that Simmo is not the man for the job like they told us he was and that he has clearly has lost interest in the job and is just waiting for a pay out. They don't want to admit any of that because it reflects on them and their poor judgement that has wasted 12 months. So they invent a fake reason for firing him (i.e. he isn't playing enough kids) that is 100% on Simpson and doesn't embarass them.
The blame shifting and narrative control phase has begun.
It's generally accepted that the club had their hands tied thanks to the length of the contract.
The luxury tax was far too high, so they backed him in to see what could be done with a fit list.
Results this year don't make it the wrong decision.
Yeah look, I’m pretty moderate and don’t like to see anyone lose their job after such great service to the club…..but he was backed in by the board and it’s not worked out.
This whole ‘the board is bad! CONTROLLING THE NARRATIVE!’ stuff is bunk mate.
If anyone is trying to control the narrative it’s Simpson, he has basically told everyone if they want him gone they have to sack him - he’s putting that out there, not the club/board. So he’s removed any chance of a ‘mutual parting of ways’, which is exactly what the club would prefer.
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If your core business is making pizzas, then make good quality pizzas and the customers will roll through the door.
If your core business is football then play good footy and the customers will roll through the gates.
Same same but different.
My point is we are producing an exceptionally poor product, so it’s very poor business.
The 1st step in that process is to get rid of the poorly performing coach, then maybe players who are deciding whether to ask for a trade to WC will know they are coming to a new club with positive changes happening.
I think everyone, players, management, sponsors, supporters would be invigorated and have a sense of relief and hope for the future.
It’s very poor business to keep our current coach, in my opinion.
If your core business is football then play good footy and the customers will roll through the gates.
Same same but different.
My point is we are producing an exceptionally poor product, so it’s very poor business.
The 1st step in that process is to get rid of the poorly performing coach, then maybe players who are deciding whether to ask for a trade to WC will know they are coming to a new club with positive changes happening.
I think everyone, players, management, sponsors, supporters would be invigorated and have a sense of relief and hope for the future.
It’s very poor business to keep our current coach, in my opinion.
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Do you really think that the Board are sacking him because he hasn't played enough kids in the last 5 weeks? Like they are happy with everything else including the win/loss record, the number of big losses, the visible lack of effort from the players but it is just that he hasn't given Zane Trew a game in the last 5 weeks is why they have to sack him?
Do you think that if that was the Board's only concern that they couldn't communicate that to Simpson and tell him to drop a few older blokes and play a few younger blokes?
Why do you think they are leaking to Caro that he is going to be sacked before he has been and giving detailed explanations as to why for her to put out on national TV with direct quotes? That is the very definition of narrative control.
Do you think the people on the Board are not concerned for their own jobs and how the failed decisions reflect on them? Do you think they are not very focussed on making sure the blame doesn't fall on them? If you do think that then you have never worked in the corporate world. That is the main thing people on Board's worry about.
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We are likely to finish second last playing a team with more than 100 games of experience per player every week. None of our young players bar Waterman have improved or progressed and some have gone backwards. We have an internal culture that has now degraded to the point of players sending negative texts about the coach to each other and then leaking them to the media. We have another 12 months of players putting in half assed efforts and normalising that and losing in their own minds. The new coach will have to reverse that mentality. We have lost 12 months of time to get a settled environment at the club to make it easier to re - sign Reid and now have 12 months left before he will be going into his 3rd year and looking to make a decision on his future.
Thats a total failure to me. A failed year. If you think it is a success because the alternative would have included shelling out a couple of million bucks to get rid of Simpson 12 months ago then you have very low standards.
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Simmo's definitely gone this year but how should it go down?
Firstly, if he's going to be sacked this year, may as well do it sooner rather than later, whats the point delaying?
If we act sooner, it would be a process, but we would be more likely to secure the best contender for future coach, otherwise we end up competing with the likes of Adelaide or Port.
However, he's a premiership coach, one of our top 3 longest serving, he doesn't just get dumped unceremoniously, perhaps a send-off game would be reasonable.
I'm thinking a joint press conference would happen this week or next with Pykey and Simmo announcing it.
Prefer if it happened this week so he could be sent off properly by the fans against Brisbane - rather than away at St Kilda or in an away Derby against Freo. Next best would be against Gold Coast.
Firstly, if he's going to be sacked this year, may as well do it sooner rather than later, whats the point delaying?
If we act sooner, it would be a process, but we would be more likely to secure the best contender for future coach, otherwise we end up competing with the likes of Adelaide or Port.
However, he's a premiership coach, one of our top 3 longest serving, he doesn't just get dumped unceremoniously, perhaps a send-off game would be reasonable.
I'm thinking a joint press conference would happen this week or next with Pykey and Simmo announcing it.
Prefer if it happened this week so he could be sent off properly by the fans against Brisbane - rather than away at St Kilda or in an away Derby against Freo. Next best would be against Gold Coast.
AFL makes it financially easier for clubs to sack contracted senior coaches
Stuart Dew was the only senior coach sacked last year, but the AFL has now made it easier for contracted coaches to be given the flick. Here’s how.
@RalphyHeraldSun
2 min read
March 19, 2024 - 6:00PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...3232054f4f50f084c7fead5290c12?amp#share-tools
Stuart Dew. Picture: Getty Images
The AFL has halved the tax rate for clubs which spend more than the $7 million football department cap in a move that will reduce their payout fees if they sack contracted coaches.
The AFL’s decision to allow clubs to pay 20 per cent of their senior coach’s salary outside their football department limit has been warmly received by clubs.
The league increased the football department cap to $7.275 million in November and also allowed clubs to save $100,000 of soft cap space and spend it in the following season.
But the extent of the tax cuts is also significant after clubs felt they were being harshly penalised as soon as they spent over the football department limit.
Until last year clubs spending up to $100,000 over the cap paid 75 per cent tax – so handed over a total of $175,000 to the league for that decision.
Stuart Dew was the only AFL coach to be sacked last year, but there could be more to come. Picture: Getty Images
Clubs spending $100,000 to $25,000 over the cap were taxed at 100 per cent, clubs spending $250,000-$500,000 over the cap paid a 150 per cent tax and those spending $500,000 or more were hit by a 200 per cent tax for every dollar over that figure.
Clubs now are taxed at only 25 per cent for overspending by up to 100,000, by 50 per cent for spending $100,000-$250,000 over the cap, 75 per cent for spending $250,000-500,000 over the cap and 100 per cent for spending $500,000-$1 million over the cap.
It will allow clubs in the window to make prudent decisions on when to pay up for extra coaches or football department investment.
But it will also mean clubs who are keen to move on contracted coaches can make that decision without it being financially crippling.
Clubs can pay up to $500,000 every year over the football department limit and only pay an extra 75 per cent in tax.
But if they spend over $500,000 in the cap year on year the tax rate grows to 150 per cent in the second year and 200 per cent in the year in a multiplying effect.
The Eagles elected to keep Adam Simpson on as coach. Picture: Getty Images
West Coast could have had to pay millions in extra football department tax if it sacked Adam Simpson with two years on his deal, but eventually had its board “unanimously” endorse him for 2024.
If the Eagles moved him on this year the new rules would minimise their tax impost.
Geez even the AFL want us to sack him
to be fair to simmo why would anyone sack themselves when they are under contract?
Went to this game. Can confirm it was Willie Rioli and Liam Ryan taking the absolute piss.
Watching those two in the flesh proves stats and TV lie. Same with Ryan vs Dogs in '21 at Marvel.
i cant tell if you're joking or not
So simm will coach out the remainder of the year then.
ah damn it not The Gossage Effect
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