Banter Adelaide Board's Combined Politics/Covid discussion Banter Thread (WARNING NOT FOR THE FAINT-HEARTED)

[George Kramer]

Lots of talk now that it was pretty much just personal dislike for Morrison.

It’s amazing before the election it was we hate ScoMo, climate change and ICAC. Now it’s because they moved the party to the right.

 

[Cap]

Which policies they enacted changed to woo people to the right? This you’ve failed to address after how many attempts to deflect?

I've addressed it so many times it's actually incredible you are still asking.

 

[1970crow]

It IS broken though. When the two parties are filled with crusted on pollies who are all made to toe the party line, where the majority of senior players are old white men who are firmly stuck in the “good old days” and are paid well by fossil fuel lobbyists. It IS absolutely broken. We need a robust system that allows pollies to cherry pick the best policies no matter which side came up with it first. Where they actually all work together for the greater good of the country and not just for themselves and their rich mates.

Both Labor and liberal candidates in south east SA are lawyers. Both majors are full of simpletons that started handing out how to vote cards in their childhood and decided politics was their industry by their mid teens.

 

[George Kramer]

I've addressed it so many times it's actually incredible you are still asking.

No you haven’t. You haven’t named one policy that’s changed and moved further to the right. The closest thing you’ve come up with with nominating an anti-transgender candidate.

Naming the issues people were unhappy with doesn’t mean they’ve moved to the right if they haven’t changed.

 

[Cap]

Lots of talk now that it was pretty much just personal dislike for Morrison.

That was also clearly an issue. Still not sure why they did not ditch him.

 

[Cap]

No you haven’t. You haven’t named one policy that’s changed and moved further to the right. The closest thing you’ve come up with with nominating an anti-transgender candidate.

Naming the issues people were unhappy with doesn’t mean they’ve moved to the right if they haven’t changed.

No, I've named the policies that made them move right, which is reflected by them losing their moderate vote.

I never mentioned if I was happy or sad about them. That's your attempt to keep this weird back and forth.

So do tell me, why do you think them losing the moderate vote is just a misunderstanding and they haven't moved right at all.

 

[1970crow]

I suppose you have take some consolation from the rout.

A win for old fashioned community politics. Kennealy’s comment that the voters would be excited to have a senior cabinet minister representing them is everything that’s wrong with the majors.

 

[Cap]

A win for old fashioned community politics. Kennealy’s comment that the voters would be excited to have a senior cabinet minister representing them is everything that’s wrong with the majors.

I keep hearing how good she is.

Just don't see it.

 

[1970crow]

Labor's election result may once have triggered an existential crisis in the party. So where does that leave Albanese?

Welcome to the new world of Australian politics — one that has a whole third dedicated to a panoply of crossbench priorities, writes Andrew Probyn.

www.abc.net.au

I think this makes a point we all can agree on

This is pretty much what I reckon the main difference between libs vote last time and this time.

 

[1970crow]

‘Greensland’ gains creates mandate for end of fossil fuels: Bandt

The Greens are likely to hold a balance of power in parliament, which they will use to push for an end to Australia’s coal and gas industries.

www.smh.com.au

And here comes the Greens

This will be interesting. I can see Labor turning their back on their historic core and promises whilst in government. They tried it with policy during the last election and paid the price. But I reckon they’ll roll over to remain in government.

 

[George Kramer]

No, I've named the policies that made them move right, which is reflected by them losing their moderate vote.

I never mentioned if I was happy or sad about them. That's your attempt to keep this weird back and forth.

So do tell me, why do you think them losing the moderate vote is just a misunderstanding and they haven't moved right at all.

Oh FFS. Did their policies change to the right or not?

Your second line is just nonsense as is this to and fro and your failure to name the policies that CHANGED AND MOVED RIGHT.

I have named policies that were important to the electorate, the government didnt address these, the independents and greens offered policies they were happier with. Plus ScoMo was HATED, why are you now ignoring this? But it doesnt mean they changed their policies to move right.

Anyway, I am done with this if all you are going to do is post repetitive deflection.

 

[Cap]

Oh FFS. Did their policies change to the right or not?

Your second line is just nonsense as is this to and fro and your failure to name the policies that CHANGED AND MOVED RIGHT.

I have named policies that were important to the electorate, the government didnt address these, the independents and greens offered policies they were happier with. Plus ScoMo was HATED, why are you now ignoring this? But it doesnt mean they changed their policies to move right.

Anyway, I am done with this if all you are going to do is post repetitive deflection.

It's not deflection, choosing fossil fuels over climate change continued their move right,

It's a trajectory, it's the way in which the articulate their policies to attract certain voters. It's not labelling certain policies as "right" and others "left" no one does that.

All of those policies where delivered by the party to appease a right wing National party and hold and attract voters.

You are the only person on this board and i think in the country that cannot grasp that.

However you were exactly the type the Libs want because they know you ain't thinking about it and would defend them to the hilt.

 

[1970crow]

I said farmers weren't interest in climate change to the extent it was an election issue for them. So proven right on that one. I stand by that ICAC was not an issue. Still isn't.

ICAC may not be an issue in its own right but it would have had an impact given it was a failed promise by ScoMo and Labor were promising one. Definitely sullied ScoMo even further.

 

[George Kramer]

It's not deflection, choosing fossil fuels over climate change continued their move right,

It's a trajectory, it's the way in which the articulate their policies to attract certain voters. It's not labelling certain policies as "right" and others "left" no one does that.

All of those policies where delivered by the party to appease a right wing National party and hold and attract voters.

You are the only person on this board and i think in the country that cannot grasp that.

However you were exactly the type the Libs want because they know you ain't thinking about it and would defend them to the hilt.

You keep saying I am the only one but thats bullshit. So they only chose fossil fuels during the last term?

You can nominate changes in policies to say if they have changed to move left or right, claiming you cant is just more bullshit.

But ultimately its the "vibe" is what you are relying on.

You've just read some sections of the media, teal candidates and lefties on here and gone with the flow without actually thinking about what policies have moved. You've gone with the vibe and you reckon I can't think for myself when I am the one actually asking questions. Some members of the Coalition have claimed we have moved left, if I was just going with the party wouldn't I be arguing for this ?

So the hatred for ScoMo is no longer a reason for the loss? Is that what the vibe as told you?

 

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[1970crow]

AEC have updated their website to have Labor at 76 seats and majority pretty much now confirmed.
So much for the scare campaigns of Labor will be a Greens puppet.

Google “senate” and “Australia”. You might learn something.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It’s amazing before the election it was we hate ScoMo, climate change and ICAC. Now it’s because they moved the party to the right.

Which are all interrelated...

 

[1970crow]

That's about as likely to happen as Kirky voting Liberal at the next election.

Vader stated as fact that trump was going to be in handcuffs the second he was outside the Whitehouse gates. Fertile imagination.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

That was also clearly an issue. Still not sure why they did not ditch him.

Because they changed the rules after Turnbull was ditched to make it much harder.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I keep hearing how good she is.

Just don't see it.

Neither did her electorate lol.

Did any captains picks get up? I'm aware of 3 which didn't. ScoMo had some others i don't know of. Also, there was the Albo one in Western Sydney.

 

[1970crow]

Winners are grinners, losers can please themselves.

He is now PM.

Mean girls was hearsay. We don’t work on heresay. By all means find a quote from the late Kimberley Kitching.

Wasn’t one of the claims against a liberal guy hearsay as well? The chick had killed herself from memory and it was her friends/family making the statements.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It's not deflection, choosing fossil fuels over climate change continued their move right,

It's a trajectory, it's the way in which the articulate their policies to attract certain voters. It's not labelling certain policies as "right" and others "left" no one does that.

All of those policies where delivered by the party to appease a right wing National party and hold and attract voters.

You are the only person on this board and i think in the country that cannot grasp that.

However you were exactly the type the Libs want because they know you ain't thinking about it and would defend them to the hilt.

The Coalition energy & climate change policy definitely moved right after ditching Turnbull!

It's was the nail in the cofin.

 

[1970crow]

It’s amazing before the election it was we hate ScoMo, climate change and ICAC. Now it’s because they moved the party to the right.

It’s definitely what they want to believe, same with the moderate libs. I’m inclined to think that they need to be trusted on their climate policies, this is an issue for lots of voters. But despite lots of asking, I’ve not seen a response identifying a policy that took them further right. And saying other people are saying it is not evidence, lots of people with skin in the game looking after their side of the equation.

 

[1970crow]

I've addressed it so many times it's actually incredible you are still asking.

No you haven’t, all your said is others are saying it.

 

[Cap]

No you haven’t, all your said is others are saying it.

No I haven't. Go interrupt someone else.