Opinion AUSTRALIAN Politics: Adelaide Board Discussion Part 5

[cleanhands]

Hoping you had a great Xmas with your family too cleanhands .

Now back at home resting up after feast at my sisters, before backing up tomorrow here for Boxing Day.

 

[Mutineer]

If we go Nuclear, the cost & price increases.

I doubt I'll still be around but you best let me know when prices go down like Albanese and Bowen promised before the election under their energy plan..How's that election promise of $275 lower by 2025 looking?

In fact my money would be on you not being around when electricity prices go down but neither of us will be around to collect.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I doubt I'll still be around but you best let me know when prices go down like Albanese and Bowen promised before the election under their energy plan..How's that election promise of $275 lower by 2025 looking?

In fact my money would be on you not being around when electricity prices go down but neither of us will be around to collect.

If you haven't worked out now both sides lie with most of their election promises, then I really can't help you.

I don't trust them when it comes to specific promises like this where they can't even control the outcomes.

Politicians lie Bicks... just like Dutton has with his Nuclear costs.

But no issue holding them to account...

 

[Mutineer]

Yes they are as this was an article comparing different energy sources.

Hilarious complaining renewables are not 100% environmentally friendly (which we already know), but compared to coal & gas, it's minor issue.

Renewables aren't 100% environmentally friendly given the bulk of them are made in China who burn way way way more coal than any other country in their manufacture. Not too environmentally friendly either the swathe of trees being felled in clearing for those wind farms planned in Qld and other states.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Renewables aren't 100% environmentally friendly given the bulk of them are made in China who burn way way way more coal than any other country in their manufacture. Not too environmentally friendly either the swathe of trees being felled in clearing for those wind farms planned in Qld and other states.

So what is more environmentally friendly Bicks out of brown coal, black coal, gas, wind & solar?

Where has anyone who is credible claimed any source is 100% environmentally friendly?

 

[Mutineer]

So what is more environmentally friendly Bicks out of brown coal, black coal, gas, wind & solar?

Where has anyone who is credible claimed any source is 100% environmentally friendly?

That's easy NUCLEAR

$275 price promise dead in the water - Liberal Party of Australia

The Australian Energy Regulator (AER) has confirmed Labor’s promise to reduce household electricity prices by $275 is officially broken with Australians

www.liberal.org.au

Albanese flags relief as power bills rise as much as 95pc

The PM has signalled additional cost of living relief as the global energy crisis hits Australia, with some households in NSW facing a 95 per cent rise in power bills.

www.afr.com

 

[Mutineer]

And at 6.40PM what state is burning the more expensive energy source GAS? Yep you guessed it little old SA.​

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Generation​

Region	Black Coal	Brown Coal	Gas	Liquid Fuel	Other	Hydro	Wind	Large Solar	Small Solar	Battery Storage	Total
Queensland	6,015		406	0	0	654	282	39	465	147	8,009
New South Wales	4,954		43	0	15	956	534	662	842	159	8,165
Victoria		3,798	20		0	532	850	368	825	359	6,752
South Australia			643	0	0		757	207	659	99	2,365
Tasmania			0		0	1,256	19		66		1,341
Western Australia	316		216	0	9		785	107	1,047	0	2,479
Total	11,285	3,798	1,327	0	25	3,398	3,227	1,383	3,904	764	29,111

Demand​

Region	Demand (AEMO Operational)	Demand (Pumping Hydro)	Demand (Battery Charging)	Demand (Other)	Demand (Met by Rooftop Solar)	Total
Queensland	7,120	0	0	0	465	7,585
New South Wales	7,788	0	2	0	842	8,632
Victoria	5,858		0	0	825	6,683
South Australia	1,929		6	0	659	2,594
Tasmania	1,071			0	66	1,138
Western Australia	1,432		0	0	1,047	2,479
Total	25,199	0	8	0	3,904	29,111

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

And at 6.40PM what state is burning the more expensive energy source GAS? Yep you guessed it little old SA.​

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Generation​

Region	Black Coal	Brown Coal	Gas	Liquid Fuel	Other	Hydro	Wind	Large Solar	Small Solar	Battery Storage	Total
Queensland	6,015		406	0	0	654	282	39	465	147	8,009
New South Wales	4,954		43	0	15	956	534	662	842	159	8,165
Victoria		3,798	20		0	532	850	368	825	359	6,752
South Australia			643	0	0		757	207	659	99	2,365
Tasmania			0		0	1,256	19		66		1,341
Western Australia	316		216	0	9		785	107	1,047	0	2,479
Total	11,285	3,798	1,327	0	25	3,398	3,227	1,383	3,904	764	29,111

Demand​

Region	Demand (AEMO Operational)	Demand (Pumping Hydro)	Demand (Battery Charging)	Demand (Other)	Demand (Met by Rooftop Solar)	Total
Queensland	7,120	0	0	0	465	7,585
New South Wales	7,788	0	2	0	842	8,632
Victoria	5,858		0	0	825	6,683
South Australia	1,929		6	0	659	2,594
Tasmania	1,071			0	66	1,138
Western Australia	1,432		0	0	1,047	2,479
Total	25,199	0	8	0	3,904	29,111

Surely it's about the cost over 24 hours Bicks. You really don't need to remind us everyday that solar doesn't produce energy at nights... as most here have a basic intelligence. Thoughit appears many still don't understand the difference between cost & price!

Perhaps governments should have more of a planned role in ensuring Australia has a decent transmission grid, where energy sources can be shared better across jurisdictions...

Build it and they will come: Transmission is key, but Coalition making it harder and costlier

Transmission remains the fundamental building block to decarbonising the grid. But the LNP is making it difficult to do on time and within costs.

reneweconomy.com.au

 

[Mutineer]

Surely it's about the cost over 24 hours Bicks. You really don't need to remind us everyday that solar doesn't produce energy at nights... as most here have a basic intelligence. Thoughit appears many still don't understand the difference between cost & price!

Perhaps governments should have more of a planned role in ensuring Australia has a decent transmission grid, where energy sources can be shared better across jurisdictions...

Build it and they will come: Transmission is key, but Coalition making it harder and costlier

Transmission remains the fundamental building block to decarbonising the grid. But the LNP is making it difficult to do on time and within costs.

reneweconomy.com.au

RenewEconomy really?

You having a laugh or what?

Could you have found a more biased source? I seriously doubt it.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

RenewEconomy really?

You having a laugh or what?

Could you have found a more biased source? I seriously doubt it.

Geez Bicks did you actually read it?

It's talking about the need to improve energy transmission which is a legitimate issue.

It's very difficult to have any meaningful discussion with you, as you close your mind to media sources outside Sky News.

 

[Mutineer]

And btw 1 day, 7 day and 30 day input info is available though you might not like what you see

see the individual energy source inputs for the last 24 hours here..

Open Electricity: An Open Platform for National Electricity Market Data

An Open Platform for National Electricity Market Data

explore.openelectricity.org.au

 

[Mutineer]

Geez Bicks did you actually read it?

It's talking about the need to improve energy transmission which is a legitimate issue.

It's very difficult to have any meaningful discussion with you, as you close your mind to media sources outside Sky News.

What a load of bollocks.

You seem to have Sky Derangement syndrome, they're not nearly as biased as RenewEconomy.

I quote plenty of sources from many different media sources and Sky wouldn't be near the top of that list.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

What a load of bollocks.

You seem to have Sky Derangement syndrome, they're not nearly as biased as RenewEconomy.

I quote plenty of sources from many different media sources and Sky wouldn't be near the top of that list.

So once again Bicks you just knocked the article without even bothering to discuss it's premise that we need to improve transmission... which surely you agree with? If not, why wouldn't you want to make the grid stronger?

Why even bother quoting me if you are incapable of having an intelligent discussion.

Seriously you are like a child at times...

Bit like you thumb down posts without even reading them.

Keep quoting your spot prices (not costs!), canning all renewables & talking up Nuclear & Coal (neither of which have much of a future)... because that's all you have.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

How does one of the World's biggest gas exporters run short of gas?

What a joke!

‘Time is running out’: Victoria, NSW turn to gas imports as energy crisis nears

Governments are rushing to kickstart Australia’s first-ever gas imports, despite the nation being a top global exporter of the fossil fuel.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Mutineer]

Oh dear...

 

[kirky]

How does one of the World's biggest gas exporters run short of gas?

What a joke!

‘Time is running out’: Victoria, NSW turn to gas imports as energy crisis nears

Governments are rushing to kickstart Australia’s first-ever gas imports, despite the nation being a top global exporter of the fossil fuel.

www.smh.com.au

Well probably if some PM didn’t sign contracts to sell it at cheap prices to our Asian neighbours. More incompetence by that party.

How Australia blew its future gas supplies

How Australia blew its future gas supplies by flogging it to China for a pittance.

www.smh.com.au