List Mgmt. Adelaide Crows 2021 List Management thread

[Cap]

The AFL promised that they'd go back to normal in 2022. They lied. They've also promised that they'll go back to normal in 2023. Is anyone holding their breath in anticipation?

You'd have to think that Walker will retire, and only 1 of Billy/Berg will survive (probably Berg), and Rowe needs someone to give him a dictionary for Christmas - so he can find out what the word "defence" means. We only have our 1st & 2nd round draft picks, so we won't be making many selections in the ND.

Fingers crossed we get a 1st round pick, using our 2nd to match a bid on Michelanney (F/S). That, and the Strachan/Butts upgrades, would potentially finish our ND in the first round.

Sounds like Rowe has had a good off season (as you would expect), I still think there is a player in him.

Why are you leaning towards Berg? Given its a battle of the 2nd tier don't contracts win these battles? (I am assuming here Billy has 22 and 23 left)

 

[conVINCEd]

Why are you leaning towards Berg? Given its a battle of the 2nd tier don't contracts win these battles? (I am assuming here Billy has 22 and 23 left)

They’re both out of contract at the end of 2022.

 

[Cap]

They’re both out of contract at the end of 2022.

Well heck, this is a toss of the coin situation.

Thanks for that

 

[conVINCEd]

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[Vader]

I list sizes return to normal Murray may Ned to be upgraded as well so a fourth delisting required

Ummm... if list sizes return to normal, then that effectively reduces the number of (senior list) delistings required by 2.

 

[Vader]

Well heck, this is a toss of the coin situation.

Thanks for that

It's really not a toss of the coin. Berg has been inconsistent in his efforts, but has shown the ability to perform in the forward line. Billy has proven beyond doubt that he's completely incapable of playing in the forward line, and is at best 3rd or 4th in line for a Key Defender position. Assuming we're only keeping one of them, then it's a complete no-brainer that we'll be saying "bye bye Billy" at the end of 2022.

 

[Cap]

It's really not a toss of the coin. Berg has been inconsistent in his efforts, but has shown the ability to perform in the forward line. Billy has proven beyond doubt that he's completely incapable of playing in the forward line, and is at best 3rd or 4th in line for a Key Defender position. Assuming we're only keeping one of them, then it's a complete no-brainer that we'll be saying "bye bye Billy" at the end of 2022.

I'm not sure either survive really, especiallyif blokes like Murray come on and Borlase even looks close to making it. I originally thought Billy had 1 more year hence the question.

 

[Vader]

I'm not sure either survive really, especiallyif blokes like Murray come on and Borlase even looks close to making it. I originally thought Billy had 1 more year hence the question.

Possible that neither survive. My assertion was that at least one of them would go, and Berg was the more likely of the two to survive. I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility of both being cut.

 

[Mego Red]

It's really not a toss of the coin. Berg has been inconsistent in his efforts, but has shown the ability to perform in the forward line. Billy has proven beyond doubt that he's completely incapable of playing in the forward line, and is at best 3rd or 4th in line for a Key Defender position. Assuming we're only keeping one of them, then it's a complete no-brainer that we'll be saying "bye bye Billy" at the end of 2022.

No, Billy has shown he is potentially competent as a defender and a ruckman.

Berg hasn't shown possible competence in any area yet.

 

[Vader]

No, Billy has shown he is potentially competent as a defender and a ruckman.

Berg hasn't shown possible competence in any area yet.

Billy has shown enough competence to be a break glass in case of emergency defender, and at his age that's not enough to justify a position on the list. Billy is rubbish, and his delisting will be the easiest list management decision of 2022.

Berg has shown competence to suggest he could hold down a Key Forward slot, provided he doesn't slack off again (like he did after his late 2020 surge).

 

[Thylacinus]

Billy has shown enough competence to be a break glass in case of emergency defender, and at his age that's not enough to justify a position on the list. Billy is rubbish, and his delisting will be the easiest list management decision of 2022.

Berg has shown competence to suggest he could hold down a Key Forward slot, provided he doesn't slack off again (like he did after his late 2020 surge).

...and sadly, despite his draft position, the one to have shown the least to date is possibly McAsey, although he does have a fraction further to run on his contract. Hope he can pick things up quickly from here and turn things around.

 

[Dangarman]

...and sadly, despite his draft position, the one to have shown the least to date is possibly McAsey, although he does have a fraction further to run on his contract. Hope he can pick things up quickly from here and turn things around.

"McAsey sidelined with stress fracture ... the injury is not expected to impact McAsey's season"

Another interrupted pre-season. The bolded bit could be taken one of two ways - the injury is minimal, or the expectation for McAsey to be playing AFL in round 1 just wasn't there.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

No, Billy has shown he is potentially competent as a defender and a ruckman.

Berg hasn't shown possible competence in any area yet.

he's a terrible ruckman

 

[beagle2]

Ummm... if list sizes return to normal, then that effectively reduces the number of (senior list) delistings required by 2.

We are currently at 37and 5 if it goes to 40 and 6 that is only one more if Murray can only have two years on rookie list he take that place leaving two draft picks Strauchan and Butts needing places ie 4 delistings

 

[Vader]

List sizes are currently:
Senior: 36-38 (we have 37)
Rookie: 4-6 (we have 5)
Maximum total: 42

If they return to normal:
Senior: 38-40
Rookie: 4-6
Maximum total: 44

Essentially, it's the reinstatement of 2x additional positions on the senior list. That's 2 positions we can fill, without needing to delist a single player. We can promote Butts & Strachan without delisting anyone, and (having upgraded 2x rookies) we would only need to make 1x selection at the ND (though we'd probably make at least 2). We would need to delist/trade/FA 1 player to create that vacancy for the ND.

Also, Murray is allowed 3x years on the rookie list, even under the old rules. Unlike Strachan & Butts, there is no imperative at all for upgrading him in 2022.

 

[Mutineer]

No, Billy has shown he is potentially competent as a defender and a ruckman.

Berg hasn't shown possible competence in any area yet.

I don't think Billy is half as bad as some on here make out but you're stretching it a bit IMO...he's value only as back up/break glass option as a Ruckman, very ordinary as a forward at AFL level....his one big chance is to prove he's a genuine AFL player is as a KPD where he showed something this season but I wouldn't be holding my breath there either at this point in time.

 

[Mego Red]

I don't think Billy is half as bad as some on here make out but you're stretching it a bit IMO...he's value only as back up/break glass option as a Ruckman, very ordinary as a forward at AFL level....his one big chance is to prove he's a genuine AFL player is as a KPD where he showed something this season but I wouldn't be holding my breath there either at this point in time.

Yeah, look - fair enough.

The word "potentially" is doing a LOT of work in my post ...

 

[1970crow]

"McAsey sidelined with stress fracture ... the injury is not expected to impact McAsey's season"

Another interrupted pre-season. The bolded bit could be taken one of two ways - the injury is minimal, or the expectation for McAsey to be playing AFL in round 1 just wasn't there.

The other way is that they define 'impact' as missing games rather than reduced quality of performance following an incomplete preseason.

 

[AFC979810]

"McAsey sidelined with stress fracture ... the injury is not expected to impact McAsey's season"

Another interrupted pre-season. The bolded bit could be taken one of two ways - the injury is minimal, or the expectation for McAsey to be playing AFL in round 1 just wasn't there.

Having Surgery in Mid December and not being able to return to training until February - will of course impact his season.

Its a shame. I was hoping this would be his year.

 

[Carmo]

Having Surgery in Mid December and not being able to return to training until February - will of course impact his season.

Its a shame. I was hoping this would be his year.

You don't do surgery on a stress fracture do you???? I thought he was just to ease off, run on the Alter G and then get back into proper running, all over 5-7 weeks or something like that??

 

[AFC979810]

You don't do surgery on a stress fracture do you???? I thought he was just to ease off, run on the Alter G and then get back into proper running, all over 5-7 weeks or something like that??

Could have sworn I read he had some surgery in December, however looking back can't find that so I am most likely wrong.

Still - a 5-7 week injury layoff is never good for a preseason.

 

[Mutineer]

You don't do surgery on a stress fracture do you???? I thought he was just to ease off, run on the Alter G and then get back into proper running, all over 5-7 weeks or something like that??

Moon boot for a period of time or crutches if particularly serious (non weight bearing).

I had a painful "hot" spot on one of my metatarsals which my Doc said could be a small fracture not picked up by X ray and went the moon boot route for 6 weeks. Rest is usually the start point, surgery a last resort according to my Doc.

 

[Carmo]

To help pass the off season quietness I thought I'd do a review of the list and where last season fit in terms of our players careers
In gurnsey number order
Jones - career best year I'd say
Keays - career best
McAsey - hasn't had many years in his career and last year was worse than the previous.
Murphy - well down from his best
Crouch - career worst year prolly
Hately - not a great year, went much better at GWS and that wasn't great. Lets hope it was injury that was hampering him.
TT - career best! not hard for him to do but it was still a good year for a young key forward no matter how you cook it
Rachele - I predict this forthcoming year will be his career best lol
Sloane - way down from career best
Pedlar - career best by default. Didn't get a great run at it really. Start was hindered by injury, end was hindered by injury, did ok in the middle all things considered
Seedsman - career best
Dawson - career best
Walker - well down on best of all time but best year for some time.
Soligo na
Cook - career best
Brown - well down the list for his career.
Hamill - career best
taylor - N/A
Hinge - career best? Did he get a AFL game prior to us? If not, then it has to be career best.
Berry - career best but not too difficult for him to do that. Did a pretty good job considering lack of footy in year prior.
Frampton - career best
Macadam - second best, prev year was better. Was good in small patches though.
Worrell - career best
McHenry - career best
Schoenberg - career best
Nankervis - NA
Murray - career best
Laird - 4th or 5th best at a guess.
Milera - career worst or second worst
Rowe - career best
Fogarty - career best I'd say
Smith - well down from best but still ok.
Himmelberg -second best year??
Borlase na
Macpherson - career best or second best
Parnell na
Sholl - I'd say best, beat the previous year IMO
Doedee - nothing wrong but he would've had some better years when we were up higher on the ladder and when he never had to play KPP
Davis - career best
Butts- career best
Newchurch na
ROB - best or second best, line ball for me.
Gollant -career best
Strachan - career best

Anyway, you can see why there'd be a bit of positivity down at the club. A lot of players would've been buoyed by their career performance and be keen to go again I'd say, admittedly a lot of it is simply because we are now so young and inexperienced that just getting a game qualifies them for career best year. That said, I don't think a single one of our

 

[Mutineer]

To help pass the off season quietness I thought I'd do a review of the list and where last season fit in terms of our players careers
In gurnsey number order
Jones - career best year I'd say
Keays - career best
McAsey - hasn't had many years in his career and last year was worse than the previous.
Murphy - well down from his best
Crouch - career worst year prolly
Hately - not a great year, went much better at GWS and that wasn't great. Lets hope it was injury that was hampering him.
TT - career best! not hard for him to do but it was still a good year for a young key forward no matter how you cook it
Rachele - I predict this forthcoming year will be his career best lol
Sloane - way down from career best
Pedlar - career best by default. Didn't get a great run at it really. Start was hindered by injury, end was hindered by injury, did ok in the middle all things considered
Seedsman - career best
Dawson - career best
Walker - well down on best of all time but best year for some time.
Soligo na
Cook - career best
Brown - well down the list for his career.
Hamill - career best
taylor - N/A
Hinge - career best? Did he get a AFL game prior to us? If not, then it has to be career best.
Berry - career best but not too difficult for him to do that. Did a pretty good job considering lack of footy in year prior.
Frampton - career best
Macadam - second best, prev year was better. Was good in small patches though.
Worrell - career best
McHenry - career best
Schoenberg - career best
Nankervis - NA
Murray - career best
Laird - 4th or 5th best at a guess.
Milera - career worst or second worst
Rowe - career best
Fogarty - career best I'd say
Smith - well down from best but still ok.
Himmelberg -second best year??
Borlase na
Macpherson - career best or second best
Parnell na
Sholl - I'd say best, beat the previous year IMO
Doedee - nothing wrong but he would've had some better years when we were up higher on the ladder and when he never had to play KPP
Davis - career best
Butts- career best
Newchurch na
ROB - best or second best, line ball for me.
Gollant -career best
Strachan - career best

Anyway, you can see why there'd be a bit of positivity down at the club. A lot of players would've been buoyed by their career performance and be keen to go again I'd say, admittedly a lot of it is simply because we are now so young and inexperienced that just getting a game qualifies them for career best year. That said, I don't think a single one of our

How many games exactly did Wayne Milera play?

How many AFL games did Matt Crouch play? 1 SANFL game where he had 28 disposals including 8 clearances after getting scragged by Robbie Young and Andrew Moore all day in a side that got steamrolled by the Roosters?

 

[1970crow]

How many games exactly did Wayne Milera play?

How many AFL games did Matt Crouch play? 1 SANFL game where he had 28 disposals including 8 clearances after getting scragged by Robbie Young and Andrew Moore all day in a side that got steamrolled by the Roosters?

he's a prolific ball winner, this is beyond doubt. Hope we see some speed around him this year. If it's just the fab 4 I'll be gutted. Although Keays has enough toe to break lines, I just wish he'd relax before kicking.